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+xBrazil heavily celebrating carnival Really? That Balsanaro bloke is a clown. He's the Trump of South America.
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+x+xBrazil heavily celebrating carnival Really? That Balsanaro bloke is a clown. He's the Trump of South America. Yep . Hell most countries are electing idiots like these because they want someone who isn't establishment
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This Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB
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+x+xBrazil heavily celebrating carnival Really? That Balsanaro bloke is a clown. He's the Trump of South America. Lol gangs say they're gonna enforce lockdowns because the Government have fucked up. -PB
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+x+x+xBrazil heavily celebrating carnival Really? That Balsanaro bloke is a clown. He's the Trump of South America. Lol gangs say they're gonna enforce lockdowns because the Government have fucked up. -PB When the gangs of the faevlas start saying that then you know the government fucked up
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+x+x+xIs it worth risking economic catastrophe that could linger for decades in order to save the lives of 80 year olds who are likely to die in the next decade or two anyway? Youngish people are mostly impervious to this disease, why cant they be the ones to expose to it to build up herd immunity, while those most at at risk self isolate? Sure the health system will suffer and there will be many deaths, however is that short term pain in just one sector of society not as bad as allowing millions of people and businesses to lose their jobs and plunging the country into long term perhaps irrecoverable economic position? They knew about the devastating effects of the Spanish flu in 1918 but they kept it under wraps because the priority was winning the war effort, it may be so that governments will need to prioritise the economy and the interests of broader society above savings life. It takes lives to save lives sorta thing. Have. To agree Yep. Got it. Money is more important than lives. Cool. So the oldies in my family are cashed up due to post war boom and rising property prices giving them both over one million pounds each, now we are told to sacrifice their grankids futures so they can let be a bit longer
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If I understand it correctly, a person will not be eligible for jobseeker allowance if their partner earns $993.50 a fortnight. Surely I've got something wrong here. You can't tell me a couple would be expected to get by on around as low as $500 a week.
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+x+x+x+xIs it worth risking economic catastrophe that could linger for decades in order to save the lives of 80 year olds who are likely to die in the next decade or two anyway? Youngish people are mostly impervious to this disease, why cant they be the ones to expose to it to build up herd immunity, while those most at at risk self isolate? Sure the health system will suffer and there will be many deaths, however is that short term pain in just one sector of society not as bad as allowing millions of people and businesses to lose their jobs and plunging the country into long term perhaps irrecoverable economic position? They knew about the devastating effects of the Spanish flu in 1918 but they kept it under wraps because the priority was winning the war effort, it may be so that governments will need to prioritise the economy and the interests of broader society above savings life. It takes lives to save lives sorta thing. Have. To agree Yep. Got it. Money is more important than lives. Cool. So the oldies in my family are cashed up due to post war boom and rising property prices giving them both over one million pounds each, now we are told to sacrifice their grankids futures so they can let be a bit longer Young people get sick from this as well...
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Carlito
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+xIf I understand it correctly, a person will not be eligible for jobseeker allowance if their partner earns $993.50 a fortnight. Surely I've got something wrong here. You can't tell me a couple would be expected to get by on around as low as $500 a week. They actually do . Say for example if you're eligeable for a health care card . You're combined income has to be 50k a year. It used to be 38 k a year
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+x+xIf I understand it correctly, a person will not be eligible for jobseeker allowance if their partner earns $993.50 a fortnight. Surely I've got something wrong here. You can't tell me a couple would be expected to get by on around as low as $500 a week. They actually do . Say for example if you're eligeable for a health care card . You're combined income has to be 50k a year. It used to be 38 k a year Having lived it myself, getting by on $500 a week as a couple is just ridiculous. We were both full time uni paying rent and the usual bills and the running costs of 1 car (amazingly still cheaper than public transport in QLD) but that barely left enough money for an appropriate food budget. Spent many nights eating just things like baked beans, plain rice with soy, yoghurt etc. Sure you can get away with it when you're going for a while, but it's not sustainable by any means. I feel really sorry for anyone having to go through that right now.
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+x+x+xIf I understand it correctly, a person will not be eligible for jobseeker allowance if their partner earns $993.50 a fortnight. Surely I've got something wrong here. You can't tell me a couple would be expected to get by on around as low as $500 a week. They actually do . Say for example if you're eligeable for a health care card . You're combined income has to be 50k a year. It used to be 38 k a year Having lived it myself, getting by on $500 a week as a couple is just ridiculous. We were both full time uni paying rent and the usual bills and the running costs of 1 car (amazingly still cheaper than public transport in QLD) but that barely left enough money for an appropriate food budget. Spent many nights eating just things like baked beans, plain rice with soy, yoghurt etc. Sure you can get away with it when you're going for a while, but it's not sustainable by any means. I feel really sorry for anyone having to go through that right now. Wow, this is going to be ridiculous for a lot of people. $500 a week is $13 an hour for someone on a full time job.
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+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned.
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+xIf I understand it correctly, a person will not be eligible for jobseeker allowance if their partner earns $993.50 a fortnight. Surely I've got something wrong here. You can't tell me a couple would be expected to get by on around as low as $500 a week. Pretty sure the rate of payment starts to decrease at a rate of 60c in the dollie once your partners earns $993. So if your partner earns around $1900 a fortnight that would reduce your payment to nil.
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Chris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points.
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+xChris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points. To be fair, being more proactive right at the beginning by shutting Chinese out, increasing testing much earlier etc. would be reaping benefits now. As far as the timing of his comments go, that's politics for all parties and all sides in a nutshell.
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+xChris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points. Well he is actually right....why are we not in a full lock down like New Zealand? Why are schools still open? Why were sports like the AFL, NRL and A league still allowed to play on the weekend? So one example in the AFL was Geelong going to Sydney (with the highest infection rate) to play GWS, and so they then they return back to a regional area with relatively little exposure. Genius Go hard now, lock down the fucking country asap for 4 weeks, and this will dramatically halt the spread of infections and reduce the long term pain by months. For me the best response to this has been by Victoria's premier Daniel Andrews....I believe Victoria is to go it alone soon and introduce a full lockdown in the coming days
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+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke.
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The finger pointing is infuriating as well.
Good news is that the NSW numbers dipped slightly overnight (from 212 to 190). Hope that continues.
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+x+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke. What about 30 people at one birthday dinner at Noosa getting infected. This thing must be so contagious.
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+x+xChris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points. So one example in the AFL was Geelong going to Sydney (with the highest infection rate) to play GWS, and so they then they return back to a regional area with relatively little exposure. Genius Then the rumour is one if the geelong players had a bbq with friends and family on the Sunday night. Highly intelligent if true.
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More people off WA crook on a cruise ship. I mean it's obvious in hindsight but I never clicked that cruise ships are such festering hotbeds of infection.
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+x+x+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke. What about 30 people at one birthday dinner at Noosa getting infected. This thing must be so contagious. yer its mad. Funnily ever since this broke out we haven't had any family or friends visit which is fine by me/us ! We normally entertain so its already felt like we have been in semi lockdown last 3wks and happy with that. Yer pity for those on cruise ships, not as great idea for travelling for me but some like it and its bang for buck. Last night watching news a Italian cruise ship that was heading Venice and obviously hasn't got berth approval so its floating elsewhere trying to gain berth has 250 Aussies ! Worse most are elderly. One lady in her 60's I guess has her 90odd yr old Mum on board as well pleading for our Gov to fly them all back if and when they can get berthed. They are confined to their cabin rooms, food delivered etc, be like a prison.
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+x+xChris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points. Well he is actually right....why are we not in a full lock down like New Zealand? Why are schools still open? Why were sports like the AFL, NRL and A league still allowed to play on the weekend? So one example in the AFL was Geelong going to Sydney (with the highest infection rate) to play GWS, and so they then they return back to a regional area with relatively little exposure. Genius Go hard now, lock down the fucking country asap for 4 weeks, and this will dramatically halt the spread of infections and reduce the long term pain by months. For me the best response to this has been by Victoria's premier Daniel Andrews....I believe Victoria is to go it alone soon and introduce a full lockdown in the coming days It's hardly cheap political point scoring. Everyone is sympathetic that this is a major crisis but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have people voicing their concerns when they think something isn't right. Not having federal Labor have a seat at the table IS cheap politics. Agree with everything you said.
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+x+xChris Bowen having a go at the PM for “failing” Australians on Coronavirus response. Never let an global crisis get in the way of scoring a few cheap political points. Well he is actually right....why are we not in a full lock down like New Zealand? Why are schools still open? Why were sports like the AFL, NRL and A league still allowed to play on the weekend? So one example in the AFL was Geelong going to Sydney (with the highest infection rate) to play GWS, and so they then they return back to a regional area with relatively little exposure. Genius Go hard now, lock down the fucking country asap for 4 weeks, and this will dramatically halt the spread of infections and reduce the long term pain by months. For me the best response to this has been by Victoria's premier Daniel Andrews....I believe Victoria is to go it alone soon and introduce a full lockdown in the coming days But, but, economy
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+x+x+x+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke. What about 30 people at one birthday dinner at Noosa getting infected. This thing must be so contagious. yer its mad. Funnily ever since this broke out we haven't had any family or friends visit which is fine by me/us ! We normally entertain so its already felt like we have been in semi lockdown last 3wks and happy with that. Yer pity for those on cruise ships, not as great idea for travelling for me but some like it and its bang for buck. Last night watching news a Italian cruise ship that was heading Venice and obviously hasn't got berth approval so its floating elsewhere trying to gain berth has 250 Aussies ! Worse most are elderly. One lady in her 60's I guess has her 90odd yr old Mum on board as well pleading for our Gov to fly them all back if and when they can get berthed. They are confined to their cabin rooms, food delivered etc, be like a prison. Not unsympathetic to all this but who in their right mind decided to get on a cruise ship even 3-4 weeks ago.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis Ruby Princess fiasco is a fucking shit fight -PB That's criminal fucking negligence as far as I'm concerned. yep sure is, led to believe the stupid Health Dept are the ones culpable listenning to news last night. SA infection increase yesterday was a number of Ruby Princess passengers. So they travelled through Sydney making their way to Adelaide, (how much contact did they have during that travel around innocent victums) what a joke. What about 30 people at one birthday dinner at Noosa getting infected. This thing must be so contagious. yer its mad. Funnily ever since this broke out we haven't had any family or friends visit which is fine by me/us ! We normally entertain so its already felt like we have been in semi lockdown last 3wks and happy with that. Yer pity for those on cruise ships, not as great idea for travelling for me but some like it and its bang for buck. Last night watching news a Italian cruise ship that was heading Venice and obviously hasn't got berth approval so its floating elsewhere trying to gain berth has 250 Aussies ! Worse most are elderly. One lady in her 60's I guess has her 90odd yr old Mum on board as well pleading for our Gov to fly them all back if and when they can get berthed. They are confined to their cabin rooms, food delivered etc, be like a prison. Not unsympathetic to all this but who in their right mind decided to get on a cruise ship even 3-4 weeks ago. I know someone who Thursday last week decided to pack their family in the car and drive to the Gold Coast to visit the theme parks. Idiocy is shining in these times.
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+xMore people off WA crook on a cruise ship. I mean it's obvious in hindsight but I never clicked that cruise ships are such festering hotbeds of infection. Happy with Mark McGowan's hardline stance on the cruise ships. I think we've looked at what happened in Sydney and said "Not here!" West Australians can get off an get escorted immediately into quarantine at Rotto. (To be honest, there's much worse places in the world to be quarantined) All others need to stay on-board unless a) The govt organises a flight home for them, in which case they're escorted directly to the airport. or b) They have a critical health issue in which case they go directly to hospital.
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+xI was talking to some friends about where this will sit in history for the last 80 years among 9/11, princess diana’s death, tiananmen square massacre, global financial crisis, collapse of the soviet union, korean war, JFK’s assassination etc, is it safe to say this will be the biggest world event since World War 2? IMO; Moon landing 9/11 Berlin wall coming down/collapse of the soviet union are the 3 biggest events (globally). The coronavirus is having a serious attempt at making it into the "big 4 events"
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Not to turn this into a political issue, but apparently Trump has attempted to order a cease and desist order order on this advert, showing his quotes on the issue over time... https://twitter.com/i/status/1242193904553865216
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Coronavirus cases and death toll growth rate clearly slowly in Italy, as expected. It takes about 2 weeks for social distancing policies to kick in, due to the lag between catching the virus (incubation typically 2-14 days), therefore the current deaths and newly diagnosed most likely caught the virus in previous weeks. I’d expect there to be a sudden fall in diagnoses and deaths within the next couple weeks almost tapering to current South Korea levels, provided social distancing policies remain intact. I’d expect to see Australia fare much better, likely the short term death rate will be hundreds rather than thousands, again contingent on social distancing and hand washing. Over the longer trajectory thousands will lose their lives but it wont be an apocalypse like the media and our bed wetting politicians are predicting. The real war is the cost to the economy and whether we can bounce back or remain in a permanent state of fear. I've not read into it but South Korea pulled the handbrake on this. I imagine they shut everything down. Their cases rose quickly to 7500 over a matter of days but they've only had another 1500 in around 14 days since then. No SK just exercised social distancing, mass testing and they all wear masks. Commerce is still open as is their airport. They basically test anyone with symptoms, positive cases are forced into quarantine and treated with viral and anti viral medications (the same ones we’re “trialling”). Being an Asian country they seem to be much better prepared for epidemics than we are, our approach seems to be running around changing policy everyday while not actually enforcing any of it. I’d say as of right now there are potentially tens of thousands of undiagnosed cases just floating around our neighbourhoods and parks, about to become the next wave of hospital visits. This is what I worry about. We aren't exercising social distancing. I think our testing has been pretty good but not as aggressive as SK. They were better prepared due to SARS as is HK and Singapore. I imagine some countries besides China have temperature measuring checkpoints? It's very true a lot of people stikk aren't distancing. I left my apartment for the first time in 3 days and it felt a bit odd. Many people's brains will transform in this period of isolation and disconnection. I don't think Australia has the equipment or capacity to conduct public checks save the testing stations people can go to. I'm more thinking of having officials go to shopping centres. If they can set up a semi trailer for certain cancer tests then surely some kind of temperature measuring thing could work? We have the testing stations at various hospitals but the current protocol is to book at time with your GP first and they will triage whether there is a need for you to be tested or not. They widened the testing criteria over the weekend to include all medical staff and not just those from overseas or have contacted a confirmed case.
The semi trailer thing might work since we have developed a test which can screen people in around 15 mins now. That’s a game changer but not sure when that can be properly rolled out. There are apparently shortages in PPE equipment as well. Eh, yes and no. In Canberra (initially, until before this weekend, at least), they have only been testing IF you have been overseas/travelled interstate AND show symptoms. Considering the cases here have jumped up like 1000% over this weekend, that is going to have to change. I don't believe that if the cases have gone up that much in a place like Canberra in the space of 3 days, that there ISN'T community transition. The problem is most people with it are asymptomatic and they're not being tested. I understand why and it's simply impossible to test everyone BUT that's why this thing won't slow down anytime soon despite Rusty's 'feelings' that we will. Even if it takes only 5 days to show symptoms. Think how many people you've mixed with over those 5 days before you even knew you had it. The US's cases are set to explode in the next couple of days. Already New York has more cases then most countries. Australia is tracking along exactly like Italy, France and Spain just 2 or 3 weeks behind. We're next. Agree with both Nic and Muz. Hope we're wrong about being 2-3 weeks behind Italy though but trend is that way. Likewise, I hope we're wrong about being 2-3 weeks behind Italy. I guess the one positive thing is that we've seen whats happened in Italy, and we've started these lockdowns/social distancing/information campaigns. I know theres plenty of dipshits ignoring them, but theres plenty more people taking them seriously. It will take a week or two to see if our trend starts to level off as a result of these actions.
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