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You turned off all the lights at your place ? :hehe:
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+xYou turned off all the lights at your place ? :hehe: Is Sky News After Dark mate ;) -PB
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What the hell is trump doing? Bragging about his tv ratings and calling out hospitals for apparently not having ppe. Seriously he has lost the damn plot
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+x+xGuns could be very handy if we are to believe the ABC-TV and their doomsday predictions. Can't get any on QLD/WA ATM, in sure others states will follow suit this week lol -PB Thanks for the info.
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+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers.
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Credit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news.
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+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer.
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+x+x+xLook at all these morons who think they’re smarter than the epidemiologists and diseases experts of whom the government is taking their advice. I mean what qualifications do any of you have another than an armchair, keyboard and degree in pretendology? The amount of wankers out their positing their worthless opinions is infuriating, like they think they know better than the experts because they looked at the trend line in Italy and decided thats the course where on. Stop taking your information and guidance from news.com.au and start acquainting yourselves with the facts and above all stop overruling the experts who are; a) smarter than you b) more qualified than you c) do this for a living Its just about being humble and not being a retarded ignorant bogan who thinks they know better than people who practice this stuff day in day out. Also going into lockdown wont make the virus go away. Essential services that will continue to operate include Government at all levels Police, fire and ambulance Airports, ports and customs Public transport Petrol stations Mechanics Supermarkets Chemists Prisons Hospitals and GPs Manufacturing Farming and agriculture Mining Couriers and truck drivers Takeaway and delivery drivers ( unless you want massive shortages and crowds at woolies) Trades (someones gotta fix the power) Engineers and field technicians Call centres and office workers for all of the above These industries employ millions and MUST continue to operate, and so the virus will continue to fester while these industries continue, ready to spike again as soon as the lockdown is lifted and people expect to resume their normal lives. Shame of Chris Bowen trying to leverage irrational community fear to discredit and undermine the PM and the experts whom are guiding these policies. Time is for bipartisanship not petty political attacks during times of genuine crisis.
I just urge people to repress that knee jerk instinct that makes them inclined to bash everything the government does and lets all join and work together to collectively resolve the situation. Most of all stop being dumb and listen to the experts and seek to understand their rationale rather than gathering your facts from facebook and conspiracy theorists on youtube.
Spot on! They seem to be getting their information from ABC-TV which has been an extremely irresponsible "news" outlet spreading a lot of fake news with over-hyped up scaremongering and a fear campaign. What the Sheeple don't realize is that the people at the ABC will have and keep their jobs. They however won't. This battle isn't just fought in the medical space. It's also a battle to dampen the effects on the economy so that everyone has a chance to return to normality when it is all over. The China Virus will come and go. But what we do for the economy may have far reaching consequences for years to come. Australia isn't on the same curve as Italy. Yeah like listening to the World Health Organisation, epidemiologists and a whole host of other ignoramuses. Don't listen to those buggers. They obviously just want to financially enslave you. Protip: Don't bother responding to any posts that contain the word "Sheeple".
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+xWhat the hell is trump doing? Bragging about his tv ratings and calling out hospitals for apparently not having ppe. Seriously he has lost the damn plot "Lost the plot"? That would incorrectly imply there ever was a point where he had the plot to begin with. With Trump, it's always been a case of deflect and blame others while trying to big-up himself, with no substance behind his claims.
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+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Free money is always good. Perhaps now is a good time to start a discussion on a UBI.
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+xWhat the hell is trump doing? Bragging about his tv ratings and calling out hospitals for apparently not having ppe. Seriously he has lost the damn plot Saw him in a clip today ragging on a PBS journalist who had the TEMERITY to quote him when asking a question. Called her a 3rd rate journalist, said she was trying a 'getcha' and then denied saying it, despite him saying it on Hannity the night before. Clips here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uWT_L58MGc & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_2Xdr-7EeM He is a fucked up unit. And how's this? Trump's approval rating amongst republicans for his handling of the coronavirus crisis? 94% ! You couldn't make it up.
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+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Free money is always good. Perhaps now is a good time to start a discussion on a UBI. It's always a good time :)
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+x+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers. There doesn't need to be much evidence that children spread the virus. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution. In this instance, it's necessary to prove that children don't spread COVID-19 otherwise, as Bruce Aylward (the world expert on this) says there's no scientific reason to suppose they don't spread the virus. Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence
The reality is that until they do antibody tests galore, they can't know that children don't spread it and they have to assume the worst. Also Singapore and Taiwan substantively different to Australia. They have been able to identify and isolate from Day 1. They learnt from SARS. The rest of the world (which includes Australia) did not.
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+x+x+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers. There doesn't need to be much evidence that children spread the virus. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution. In this instance, it's necessary to prove that children don't spread COVID-19 otherwise, as Bruce Aylward (the world expert on this) says there's no scientific reason to suppose they don't spread the virus. Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence
The reality is that until they do antibody tests galore, they can't know that children don't spread it and they have to assume the worst. Also Singapore and Taiwan substantively different to Australia. They have been able to identify and isolate from Day 1. They learnt from SARS. The rest of the world (which includes Australia) did not. Ok illl phrase it slightly differently. There appears to be evidence that children do not contract or transmit coronavirus to anywhere near the same degree as adults. If they did you would expect there to be massive outbreaks in schools among the teachers and admin staff, and there have been no such reported cases. Based on this it would be safe to assume that schools are relatively safe and not Coronavirus breeding grounds, unlike large gatherings of adults. Also how do you know Singapore and Taiwan have been able to identify and isolate every case? Absence of evidence and all that stuff yeah? Also they are not “substantively” different from Australia, their primary MO is, like Australia. test shitloads and contact tracing. In the UK and most other countries there is significant community infection so it makes more sense to impose stricter control on schools. In Australia we are not at that point yet.
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+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. I saw one of the politicians say this kind of initiative usually would take 10 years to implement and they've been asked to do it in 10 days.
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That piece of shit Chinese government has alot to answer for.
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Thailand have these wet markets too, however large or small a scale. I'm sure tonnes of nations do. A global crackdown on these would be extremely difficult to manage.
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+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer. sorry to see mate and all the best !, we're all going to hurt and hopefully get through this sooner than later but..... (so sorry for those losing their lives and their families having to suffer a fate that probably could have occurred much later in the case of the older souls)...... I have a small business import/export employing 10people. Hanging on to all of them at this stage, the Gov support is so very welcome..... We could have just scaled right down (in partnership with my bro) and do more hands on work as we used to do but our Team of good people need us more than ever getting through this. Couple were happy to take leave for they had quite a bit raked up we appreciated that. I hope all of you come out of this Healthy importantly and your loved ones, thats more important in the big picture.
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+x+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer. sorry to see mate and all the best !, we're all going to hurt and hopefully get through this sooner than later but..... (so sorry for those losing their lives and their families having to suffer a fate that probably could have occurred much later in the case of the older souls)...... I have a small business import/export employing 10people. Hanging on to all of them at this stage, the Gov support is so very welcome..... We could have just scaled right down (in partnership with my bro) and do more hands on work as we used to do but our Team of good people need us more than ever getting through this. Couple were happy to take leave for they had quite a bit raked up we appreciated that. I hope all of you come out of this Healthy importantly and your loved ones, thats more important in the big picture. Cheers mate, not so worried about my job. Though annoyed that a. My boss has the oppertunity to get my PPE but didn't and b. Im going to have to fight with my boss to get her to fulfill all the things the government is offering for her and her employees because she's lazy, an idiot and came from money so she's just doesn't care. Will be interesting few days. My wife's work is for more important to us and that's a complete shit show at the moment.
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+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. I saw one of the politicians say this kind of initiative usually would take 10 years to implement and they've been asked to do it in 10 days. I think that's hyperbole. I work in software, I understand the strain on those implementing the processes in their systems so the lag and backpay isn't the issue. My comment was more that the announcement could have been made sooner to give some hope to workers and give businesses confidence that they'll make it to the other side. The way they're doing it should be pretty efficient, employers should have everything they need to pay employees. They just need the money to start flowing in. The downside to this is lazy employers like scubaroo's potentially that don't give a fuck. I don't know how many would be like that though, a lot of business owners get paid a salary from their business so are essentially also employees and therefore eligible for that money as well.
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+x+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. I saw one of the politicians say this kind of initiative usually would take 10 years to implement and they've been asked to do it in 10 days. I think that's hyperbole. I work in software, I understand the strain on those implementing the processes in their systems so the lag and backpay isn't the issue. My comment was more that the announcement could have been made sooner to give some hope to workers and give businesses confidence that they'll make it to the other side. Fair, but it basically comes down to the national cabinet and co triaging priorities. Their thought processes and conclusions drawn for businesses obviously sat a certain way down the line. There is only so many premiers to make these decisions, and you can tell they are working around the clock to make these incredible decisions. Quarantine, lockdowns, and hairdressers have obviously been more important than wage control to date. I think no matter what they agreed and acted on first, there would always be something else people would rather them have acted on prior.
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+x+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer. sorry to see mate and all the best !, we're all going to hurt and hopefully get through this sooner than later but..... (so sorry for those losing their lives and their families having to suffer a fate that probably could have occurred much later in the case of the older souls)...... I have a small business import/export employing 10people. Hanging on to all of them at this stage, the Gov support is so very welcome..... We could have just scaled right down (in partnership with my bro) and do more hands on work as we used to do but our Team of good people need us more than ever getting through this. Couple were happy to take leave for they had quite a bit raked up we appreciated that. I hope all of you come out of this Healthy importantly and your loved ones, thats more important in the big picture. Bravo mate. Hope everyone comes through this.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers. There doesn't need to be much evidence that children spread the virus. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution. In this instance, it's necessary to prove that children don't spread COVID-19 otherwise, as Bruce Aylward (the world expert on this) says there's no scientific reason to suppose they don't spread the virus. Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence
The reality is that until they do antibody tests galore, they can't know that children don't spread it and they have to assume the worst. Also Singapore and Taiwan substantively different to Australia. They have been able to identify and isolate from Day 1. They learnt from SARS. The rest of the world (which includes Australia) did not. Ok illl phrase it slightly differently. There appears to be evidence that children do not contract or transmit coronavirus to anywhere near the same degree as adults. If they did you would expect there to be massive outbreaks in schools among the teachers and admin staff, and there have been no such reported cases. Based on this it would be safe to assume that schools are relatively safe and not Coronavirus breeding grounds, unlike large gatherings of adults. I read a stat when Australia broke 4000 cases that only 7% were caught in the community. I also read on the same website that Qatar airlines let over 13000 people into this country in the first 3 weeks of March We don't have a problem in schools / kids because the virus isn't being transmitted in the community in problematic numbers. It really is a case of adults holidaying around the world coming back to Australia, and passing the virus on to their spouse or close friends To me the game changer was forcing all people returning from overseas into hotels. Now the virus is where we can see it. In 2 weeks you'll see two kinds of stats - those in a hotel who have the virus which we can care little about. Or somebody walking into a hospital with the virus which will be alarming because they most likely got it in the community. And we'll be in a position to target resources to try to find out specifically where it came from and stop it before it becomes a problem We have to be careful going overboard with shutting everything down when we don't even have a widespread problem. It would be foolish to think that kids cant contract or spread this virus. But it would be equally foolish to shut down schools (when education is an essential service) when we don't even have a widespread problem
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers. There doesn't need to be much evidence that children spread the virus. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution. In this instance, it's necessary to prove that children don't spread COVID-19 otherwise, as Bruce Aylward (the world expert on this) says there's no scientific reason to suppose they don't spread the virus. Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence
The reality is that until they do antibody tests galore, they can't know that children don't spread it and they have to assume the worst. Also Singapore and Taiwan substantively different to Australia. They have been able to identify and isolate from Day 1. They learnt from SARS. The rest of the world (which includes Australia) did not. Ok illl phrase it slightly differently. There appears to be evidence that children do not contract or transmit coronavirus to anywhere near the same degree as adults. If they did you would expect there to be massive outbreaks in schools among the teachers and admin staff, and there have been no such reported cases. Based on this it would be safe to assume that schools are relatively safe and not Coronavirus breeding grounds, unlike large gatherings of adults. I read a stat when Australia broke 4000 cases that only 7% were caught in the community. I also read on the same website that Qatar airlines let over 13000 people into this country in the first 3 weeks of March We don't have a problem in schools / kids because the virus isn't being transmitted in the community in problematic numbers. It really is a case of adults holidaying around the world coming back to Australia, and passing the virus on to their spouse or close friends To me the game changer was forcing all people returning from overseas into hotels. Now the virus is where we can see it. In 2 weeks you'll see two kinds of stats - those in a hotel who have the virus which we can care little about. Or somebody walking into a hospital with the virus which will be alarming because they most likely got it in the community. And we'll be in a position to target resources to try to find out specifically where it came from and stop it before it becomes a problem We have to be careful going overboard with shutting everything down when we don't even have a widespread problem. It would be foolish to think that kids cant contract or spread this virus. But it would be equally foolish to shut down schools (when education is an essential service) when we don't even have a widespread problem It is extremely hard to get tested if you haven't been overseas and/or come in contact with a known case. The community transmission figures are so low because we aren't testing the community-only.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]The other problem with Scomo's approach is that there's really little margin for error. He won't close schools when even Boris Johnson has done this (leaving them open only for the children of healthcare workers, supermarket workers, etc., as I understand it). The modelling from Imperial College London suggests the closure of schools can make a profound difference in the amount of transmission.
I think Australia has taken its cues from places like Singapore and Taiwan whose schools have remained open while fending off the virus. There doesnt seem to be much evidence that kids contract or transmit the virus, of the 4,000+ who have it only about 3% are 19 or under. This definitely appears to be an “adult” disease, and so our policies have reflected where the risks lie, based on the current evidence. I think the current policy strikes the right balance between e learning from home and keeping doors open for health care professionals and other essential workers. There doesn't need to be much evidence that children spread the virus. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution. In this instance, it's necessary to prove that children don't spread COVID-19 otherwise, as Bruce Aylward (the world expert on this) says there's no scientific reason to suppose they don't spread the virus. Absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence
The reality is that until they do antibody tests galore, they can't know that children don't spread it and they have to assume the worst. Also Singapore and Taiwan substantively different to Australia. They have been able to identify and isolate from Day 1. They learnt from SARS. The rest of the world (which includes Australia) did not. Ok illl phrase it slightly differently. There appears to be evidence that children do not contract or transmit coronavirus to anywhere near the same degree as adults. If they did you would expect there to be massive outbreaks in schools among the teachers and admin staff, and there have been no such reported cases. Based on this it would be safe to assume that schools are relatively safe and not Coronavirus breeding grounds, unlike large gatherings of adults. I read a stat when Australia broke 4000 cases that only 7% were caught in the community. I also read on the same website that Qatar airlines let over 13000 people into this country in the first 3 weeks of March We don't have a problem in schools / kids because the virus isn't being transmitted in the community in problematic numbers. It really is a case of adults holidaying around the world coming back to Australia, and passing the virus on to their spouse or close friends To me the game changer was forcing all people returning from overseas into hotels. Now the virus is where we can see it. In 2 weeks you'll see two kinds of stats - those in a hotel who have the virus which we can care little about. Or somebody walking into a hospital with the virus which will be alarming because they most likely got it in the community. And we'll be in a position to target resources to try to find out specifically where it came from and stop it before it becomes a problem We have to be careful going overboard with shutting everything down when we don't even have a widespread problem. It would be foolish to think that kids cant contract or spread this virus. But it would be equally foolish to shut down schools (when education is an essential service) when we don't even have a widespread problem It is extremely hard to get tested if you haven't been overseas and/or come in contact with a known case. The community transmission figures are so low because we aren't testing the community-only. They are low but they aren't zero. And the rules on testing have been relaxed slightly If the testing kits were released to just anybody with flu like symptoms then we risk people flooding the medical system and using them for their own benefit (as we saw in America) and we'll be at a greater risk of cases going undiagnosed. We know for a fact this virus can only have come from overseas, and we know for a fact the likelihood is those who have the virus could have spread it to close contacts. That's what we need to target With a limited number of test kits available we need to strike a balance. With an average transmission rate of 2.5 and potentially 6000 initial infections before the hotel rules came into place (based on a 2 week lag in numbers) if we had a community wide infection in some areas it wouldn't be under the radar. You'd have entire work places infected, households, etc... We'd be in the top 5 worldwide of case numbers To me the best balance is if you have been overseas get tested. If not, obey the social distancing rules and if you start to develop any flu like symptoms then put yourself into quarantine until you are sure what you have. Hospitals aren't going to deny people who are experiencing respiratory symptoms and require intensive care like 5% of cases worldwide anymore than they would deny somebody with a broken leg just because its not the Coronavirus I don't doubt there are people out there with the virus unaware, or who have symptoms that cant get treated. But we definitely don't have a community wide problem
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+x+x+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer. sorry to see mate and all the best !, we're all going to hurt and hopefully get through this sooner than later but..... (so sorry for those losing their lives and their families having to suffer a fate that probably could have occurred much later in the case of the older souls)...... I have a small business import/export employing 10people. Hanging on to all of them at this stage, the Gov support is so very welcome..... We could have just scaled right down (in partnership with my bro) and do more hands on work as we used to do but our Team of good people need us more than ever getting through this. Couple were happy to take leave for they had quite a bit raked up we appreciated that. I hope all of you come out of this Healthy importantly and your loved ones, thats more important in the big picture. Bravo mate. Hope everyone comes through this. Grazie ! Look despite members differences here politically etc were all in this mosh pit together. pv4's last sentence is spot on : I think no matter what they agreed and acted on first, there would always be something else people would rather them have acted on prior. scubaroo that sucks re your employer's attitude, we jumped onto contingency plans from the moment it heated up. Thats pathetic. Good luck for the wife as well. My USA colleagues are scared/worried of rednecks reactions just going to shops and one of the staff I know had tested positive sadly. I know with mcjules we have our fellow Italians (some relos) especially up north suffering BIG time, these are times we are lucky down here despite the gloom surrounding us.
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+x+x+x+x+xCredit where credit is due, the "job keeper" initiative announced today is pretty good policy. Would have been nice if it could be moved quicker but it's some good news. Lost my job today due to not enough PPE, so it's going to help ALOT, having said that because our business isn't running it means there's quite a few Country Fire Brigades that won't be able to run for the next few months. Lucky it isn't summer. sorry to see mate and all the best !, we're all going to hurt and hopefully get through this sooner than later but..... (so sorry for those losing their lives and their families having to suffer a fate that probably could have occurred much later in the case of the older souls)...... I have a small business import/export employing 10people. Hanging on to all of them at this stage, the Gov support is so very welcome..... We could have just scaled right down (in partnership with my bro) and do more hands on work as we used to do but our Team of good people need us more than ever getting through this. Couple were happy to take leave for they had quite a bit raked up we appreciated that. I hope all of you come out of this Healthy importantly and your loved ones, thats more important in the big picture. Bravo mate. Hope everyone comes through this. Grazie ! Look despite members differences here politically etc were all in this mosh pit together. pv4's last sentence is spot on : I think no matter what they agreed and acted on first, there would always be something else people would rather them have acted on prior. scubaroo that sucks re your employer's attitude, we jumped onto contingency plans from the moment it heated up. Thats pathetic. Good luck for the wife as well. My USA colleagues are scared/worried of rednecks reactions just going to shops and one of the staff I know had tested positive sadly. I know with mcjules we have our fellow Italians (some relos) especially up north suffering BIG time, these are times we are lucky down here despite the gloom surrounding us. Absolutely, my sister in law is chinese as well so I've been seeing for quite a while how shit things can get. Definitely lucky to be living here.
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