Fox Sports primed to pull pin on A-League, claims broadcast rights guru


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A-League on Optus Sport seems like a fait accompli now. 

inala brah - 30 Mar 2020 11:51 PM
pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them.

Fox definitely has form in this kind of thing. 
If the A-League is set back 3-5 years as others have said, it's still 'better' than the 20+ years they set back the NRL. 
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Waz - 31 Mar 2020 11:55 AM
someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 11:45 AM

Yup, I was being a little flippant on the production thing but there’s two elements to it. 

The outside broadcast is the easiest - just contract the same company as Fox Sports do. 

The production piece - that includes commentary, pre and post game shows, that can all be outsourced as well. It’s not hard to do, nor that expensive. 

It's more that it would be an expense that the HAL hasn't had to pay for directly in the past. Obviously they would have been paying for it indirectly to a certain extent, but when the league needs to pay these costs directly it has the potential to be a problem. Especially with the current situation. 
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someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 11:45 AM
Waz - 31 Mar 2020 10:44 AM

I get that you are exaggerating a bit there, and you are right that production is easy, however live event broadcasts are a different kettle of fish altogether. Setting that aside, the issue is not how difficult it is to produce the content. The issue is who is going to pay for it, because it is definitely not cheap.

Yup, I was being a little flippant on the production thing but there’s two elements to it. 

The outside broadcast is the easiest - just contract the same company as Fox Sports do. 

The production piece - that includes commentary, pre and post game shows, that can all be outsourced as well. It’s not hard to do, nor that expensive. 

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Waz - 31 Mar 2020 10:44 AM
someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 10:35 AM

Production is easy. People keep offering this up as a problem but any half decent creative arts student with an iPAD can produce content. 

I get that you are exaggerating a bit there, and you are right that production is easy, however live event broadcasts are a different kettle of fish altogether. Setting that aside, the issue is not how difficult it is to produce the content. The issue is who is going to pay for it, because it is definitely not cheap.
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Waz - 31 Mar 2020 10:44 AM
someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 10:35 AM

Production is easy. People keep offering this up as a problem but any half decent creative arts student with an iPAD can produce content. 

Optus make an annual profit that before too long will pass a billion dollars  - they make money out of selling mobile and broadband plans such that, on average, every user is worth between $21 and $42 each month. Get one person on both and it’s worth $63/month. 

Every 100,000 new subscribers for them would be worth $75 million. The HAL would bring way more than that (let the arguments begin on that point) so the potential is there for an additional $100m+ per year in high margin revenues. 

Optus will be very interested in the sokkha. As will Telstra. 


That's another interesting question.  What percentage of Telstra does Rupie own ?  
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The Covid-19 crisis may be the end of the road for Fox Sports.  They were already in deep trouble before this.
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someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 10:35 AM
ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 8:17 AM

Streaming is easy to make profitable when you're not producing the content. Issue still remains with who will pay for production. If Optus are willing to produce it like Fox were, then great. Otherwise the iHAL may be in the position in which they will need to fund production directly themselves. Difficult option given the current situation.

Production is easy. People keep offering this up as a problem but any half decent creative arts student with an iPAD can produce content. 

Optus make an annual profit that before too long will pass a billion dollars  - they make money out of selling mobile and broadband plans such that, on average, every user is worth between $21 and $42 each month. Get one person on both and it’s worth $63/month. 

Every 100,000 new subscribers for them would be worth $75 million. The HAL would bring way more than that (let the arguments begin on that point) so the potential is there for an additional $100m+ per year in high margin revenues. 

Optus will be very interested in the sokkha. As will Telstra. 

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ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 8:17 AM

Streaming is easy to make profitable when you're not producing the content. Issue still remains with who will pay for production. If Optus are willing to produce it like Fox were, then great. Otherwise the iHAL may be in the position in which they will need to fund production directly themselves. Difficult option given the current situation.

The games are broadcast by other people anyway.  Those OB trucks you see outside the grounds aren't Foxtel employees that's for sure.  



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someguyjc - 31 Mar 2020 10:35 AM
ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 8:17 AM

Streaming is easy to make profitable when you're not producing the content. Issue still remains with who will pay for production. If Optus are willing to produce it like Fox were, then great. Otherwise the iHAL may be in the position in which they will need to fund production directly themselves. Difficult option given the current situation.

Opportunity to  putting together a lot more content. iHAL can use outside professionals. Lower divisions SMFC etc already produce their own content. Even Central Coast United in NSW NPL3 does. Make sure it is a day game or sufficient lighting and many clubs will be able to do the same.
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ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 8:17 AM
It's inevitiable. News Corporation wouldn't be too upset about losing the A League & if you're cutting costs across the board then it's a good place to start.

Dead money in many ways & the FFA doesn't have a banking sugar daddy to prop them up.  

Optus has proved that streaming is 100% viable & profitable so whether they or whoever may be interested it would be good to open up dialogue with assorted companies & see how they would handle it.  

Either way whoever may be get this in the future they'd be insane not to poach Simon Hill from Foxtel, get him on talking both A League & EPL, he'd love it.  


Streaming is easy to make profitable when you're not producing the content. Issue still remains with who will pay for production. If Optus are willing to produce it like Fox were, then great. Otherwise the iHAL may be in the position in which they will need to fund production directly themselves. Difficult option given the current situation.
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ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 8:17 AM
It's inevitiable. News Corporation wouldn't be too upset about losing the A League & if you're cutting costs across the board then it's a good place to start.

Dead money in many ways & the FFA doesn't have a banking sugar daddy to prop them up.  

Optus has proved that streaming is 100% viable & profitable so whether they or whoever may be interested it would be good to open up dialogue with assorted companies & see how they would handle it.  

Either way whoever may be get this in the future they'd be insane not to poach Simon Hill from Foxtel, get him on talking both A League & EPL, he'd love it.  


Whoever broadcasts HAL in future, Simon Hill is guaranteed work- 1 of the best football commentators in the world imo 
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It's inevitiable. News Corporation wouldn't be too upset about losing the A League & if you're cutting costs across the board then it's a good place to start.

Dead money in many ways & the FFA doesn't have a banking sugar daddy to prop them up.  

Optus has proved that streaming is 100% viable & profitable so whether they or whoever may be interested it would be good to open up dialogue with assorted companies & see how they would handle it.  

Either way whoever may be get this in the future they'd be insane not to poach Simon Hill from Foxtel, get him on talking both A League & EPL, he'd love it.  


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Jegga7698 - 30 Mar 2020 11:22 PM
Waz - 30 Mar 2020 11:03 PM

And a big fucking issue about to occur. 

How is the league going to handle a 20 million dollar pay cut in tv rights per year when it's about to expand to 12 teams

iHAL will be extremely luck if it is only $20M, my guess is they will be forced into a revenue sharing model like the NBL, where iHAL bears the production costs and share the ad revenue from broadcast partners who get the content for free. NBL deal details below:
http://www.footyindustry.com/?page_id=4915









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someguyjc - 30 Mar 2020 10:52 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.html

A-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walk

Football Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football.

Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football.

"The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said.

Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue.

The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract".

Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters.

The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled.

Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price.

As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A.

I should imagine there would be some break fees.

According to Fox they spend 100 million on Football, my guess made up of Hal 54 million, broadcast costs 14 million, panels and discussions 8 million, and the balance for international rights...

So lets say as part of the negotiation Fox pay FFA 14 million per year which allows FFA to broadcast its games... then FFA or iHal sell the rights and if streamed rights games could be played when it best suits crowds ... so arguably a lift in crowd revenue... what we could sell the rights for would be interesting...

Broadcasts of Socceroo matches is another story as thats with the AFC and as I understand the main reason why Optus did not bid last time... 
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I think that's right, we have to accept that for the next few years we're going to have to have a stripped down league, no frills, partly semi-pro.
That's just the way it will have to be.

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pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them.

 




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Jegga7698 - 30 Mar 2020 11:22 PM
Waz - 30 Mar 2020 11:03 PM

And a big fucking issue about to occur. 

How is the league going to handle a 20 million dollar pay cut in tv rights per year when it's about to expand to 12 teams

It just has too right. 

The salary cap, w league and other grants must be around $40m, so $10m+ goes there. 

Clubs will have to cut costs. Roar to Dolphin full time for example. 

Then they’ll have to find new revenues - a de ent merchandise program wouldn’t hurt (only with the money going to the club concerned not to the FFA). 

And it’s fair to say, this knocks the HAL back three years ago to where they were - they can survive that. 

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Waz - 30 Mar 2020 11:03 PM
someguyjc - 30 Mar 2020 10:52 PM

Well, it’s earlier than expected but half of our problems are related to Fox Sports. Season start date, match scheduling, season finish, kick off times, length of season .... all big issues that can now (hopefully) be addressed. 

And a big fucking issue about to occur. 

How is the league going to handle a 20 million dollar pay cut in tv rights per year when it's about to expand to 12 teams
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someguyjc - 30 Mar 2020 10:52 PM
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.html

A-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walk

Football Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football.

Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football.

"The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said.

Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue.

The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract".

Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters.

The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled.

Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price.

As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A.

Well, it’s earlier than expected but half of our problems are related to Fox Sports. Season start date, match scheduling, season finish, kick off times, length of season .... all big issues that can now (hopefully) be addressed. 
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.html

A-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walk

Football Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football.

Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football.

"The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said.

Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue.

The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract".

Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters.

The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled.

Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price.

As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A.

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charlied - 30 Mar 2020 9:20 PM
Not really any doubt now thats the A League as we knew it is finished. And, honestly, the past few years have newness so awful that even after supporting Brisbane Roar since that very first game against NZ Knights, I really can't shed a tear for its demise. It's been a slow motion train wreck for 4 or 5 years now and this has been simply accelerated the inevitable. 

Not unlike my use of SwiftKey 
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Not really any doubt now thats the A League as we knew it is finished. And, honestly, the past few years have newness so awful that even after supporting Brisbane Roar since that very first game against NZ Knights, I really can't shed a tear for its demise. It's been a slow motion train wreck for 4 or 5 years now and this has been simply accelerated the inevitable. 

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bettega - 30 Mar 2020 5:26 PM
AJF - 30 Mar 2020 5:18 PM

Yeh, but who else earned their spot?

None of the current HAL teams, they all bought their way in








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paulc - 30 Mar 2020 1:21 PM

TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all.
You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop.

Agree 
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mouflonrouge - 30 Mar 2020 5:13 PM
Razor Ramon - 30 Mar 2020 2:14 AM

Why not?

SMFC viability - tick
SMFC crowdsa - tick
SMFC own ground tick

What's not to like? 

A tick for crowds? That's a disconnect with reality right there, folks. 
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AJF - 30 Mar 2020 5:18 PM
LFC. - 30 Mar 2020 2:54 PM


mouflonrouge - 30 Mar 2020 5:13 PM

SMFC earnt their spot - cross

Yeh, but who else earned their spot?

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LFC. - 30 Mar 2020 2:54 PM
paulc - 30 Mar 2020 1:21 PM

TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all.
You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop.


mouflonrouge - 30 Mar 2020 5:13 PM
Razor Ramon - 30 Mar 2020 2:14 AM

Why not?

SMFC viability - tick
SMFC crowdsa - tick
SMFC own ground - cross (its a lease, shared with Athletics, an oval and not useable during GP)

What's not to like? 

SMFC earnt their spot - cross









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Razor Ramon - 30 Mar 2020 2:14 AM
mouflonrouge - 29 Mar 2020 11:32 AM

lol. No chance

Why not?

SMFC viability - tick
SMFC crowdsa - tick
SMFC own ground tick

What's not to like? 
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Waz - 30 Mar 2020 2:03 PM
AJF - 30 Mar 2020 10:46 AM

You recon the FFA would be able to bail clubs out now .... the organisation that just stood down 70% of its employees? 

The last time Jets went broke, they just took over the license and ran the club until they found a new buyer, ref below in case you've forgotten
https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-terminates-licence-newcastle-jets

There is no cash outlay now and only when comp starts and then the TV money would be coming in, plus they had other income sources to assist with. With no football why wouldnt they stand down employees, heaps of businesses have done the same. 

If PG goes broke, who will take over? Bitcoin AliG?









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