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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt would be interesting to see which other countries have qualified for the World Cup besides Australia in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018? I'm surmising: *Europe Germany Holland Italy France Portugal Spain Croatia? England? *Asia Australia South Korea Japan Iran? * CONCCAFF Mexico *Africa Ivory Coast? *Oceania No team. Italy Lol Did Italy miss out on one, or was it a Euro Champs? Italy missed 2018 Wcup Holland missed 2018 too I thought it was a Euro Champs? Thanks though for correcting me, BT. It was a catastrophe for Holland. Rather than many other nations borrowing on Holland's football methodology because of their sustained success, the Dutch KNVB visited Germany and Belgiums straight after the 2018 WC debacle to do the same. Previously they had both imported methodology from Holland in the early 2000s, to learn from them. Holland have recently imported French methodology as well. There are two distinct schools of Dutch KNVB methodology. Cruyff ( where individual skill is paramount) and Van Gaal ( where team tactics and cohesion are paramount). Van Gaal has had far more success as a coach according to the books I've read on the subject. In Australia we've borrowed heavily on the Van Gaal school, where the team is paramount. Australia now has very good tactical players well in advance of their technical qualities. Even when Shinji Ono played in the HAL, he said it was far more advanced, tactically, than the J League. Powerhouses Italy and Holland (and the USA in a weak confederation) all failing to qualify for Russia 2018 was astonishing. Again us qualifying for four WCs in a row, is pretty good for a non-football nation. Aus is the only nation to do so, where football isn't the first or second most popular sport in the last four World Cups. yes we don't sit back much and consider thats not too bad considering our own constant challenges at home for our players here and abroad and the cluster F with our governing body over all these years. Were harsh critics due to our passion and will to deliver. You'd only wish to be in Guus's position out of them all, he had a squad capable to do something with some luck as you always need in games whereas the the rest have ground it out pretty hard - the last taking the longest route to qualify. Sitting on the couch is bad enough heart attack material, imagine what goes through their minds and hearts in games. Ange/Brazil was killing me the most I don't blame him one bit finally deciding enough is enough its a damn hard gig. I stupidly mentioned on a Scottish football forum last year (cos they were slagging off Rogic and Arzani) that Australia had qualified for 4 consecutive Wcups and just got told that Australia only qualify due to being in Asia and that we don’t have to defeat any ‘good’ countries like England and Wales like Scotland does etc. Told them to go eat more haggis! Soccer is not our number 1 national sport like Europe and Uk so IT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT BY OUR NT 👍
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt would be interesting to see which other countries have qualified for the World Cup besides Australia in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018? I'm surmising: *Europe Germany Holland Italy France Portugal Spain Croatia? England? *Asia Australia South Korea Japan Iran? * CONCCAFF Mexico *Africa Ivory Coast? *Oceania No team. Italy Lol Did Italy miss out on one, or was it a Euro Champs? Italy missed 2018 Wcup Holland missed 2018 too I thought it was a Euro Champs? Thanks though for correcting me, BT. It was a catastrophe for Holland. Rather than many other nations borrowing on Holland's football methodology because of their sustained success, the Dutch KNVB visited Germany and Belgiums straight after the 2018 WC debacle to do the same. Previously they had both imported methodology from Holland in the early 2000s, to learn from them. Holland have recently imported French methodology as well. There are two distinct schools of Dutch KNVB methodology. Cruyff ( where individual skill is paramount) and Van Gaal ( where team tactics and cohesion are paramount). Van Gaal has had far more success as a coach according to the books I've read on the subject. In Australia we've borrowed heavily on the Van Gaal school, where the team is paramount. Australia now has very good tactical players well in advance of their technical qualities. Even when Shinji Ono played in the HAL, he said it was far more advanced, tactically, than the J League. Powerhouses Italy and Holland (and the USA in a weak confederation) all failing to qualify for Russia 2018 was astonishing. Again us qualifying for four WCs in a row, is pretty good for a non-football nation. Aus is the only nation to do so, where football isn't the first or second most popular sport in the last four World Cups. yes we don't sit back much and consider thats not too bad considering our own constant challenges at home for our players here and abroad and the cluster F with our governing body over all these years. Were harsh critics due to our passion and will to deliver. You'd only wish to be in Guus's position out of them all, he had a squad capable to do something with some luck as you always need in games whereas the the rest have ground it out pretty hard - the last taking the longest route to qualify. Sitting on the couch is bad enough heart attack material, imagine what goes through their minds and hearts in games. Ange/Brazil was killing me the most I don't blame him one bit finally deciding enough is enough its a damn hard gig. I stupidly mentioned on a Scottish football forum last year (cos they were slagging off Rogic and Arzani) that Australia had qualified for 4 consecutive Wcups and just got told that Australia only qualify due to being in Asia and that we don’t have to defeat any ‘good’ countries like England and Wales like Scotland does etc. Told them to go eat more haggis! Soccer is not our number 1 national sport like Europe and Uk so IT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT BY OUR NT 👍 True. They'd have no idea about any football across the English Channel and North Sea.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt would be interesting to see which other countries have qualified for the World Cup besides Australia in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018? I'm surmising: *Europe Germany Holland Italy France Portugal Spain Croatia? England? *Asia Australia South Korea Japan Iran? * CONCCAFF Mexico *Africa Ivory Coast? *Oceania No team. Italy Lol Did Italy miss out on one, or was it a Euro Champs? Italy missed 2018 Wcup Holland missed 2018 too I thought it was a Euro Champs? Thanks though for correcting me, BT. It was a catastrophe for Holland. Rather than many other nations borrowing on Holland's football methodology because of their sustained success, the Dutch KNVB visited Germany and Belgiums straight after the 2018 WC debacle to do the same. Previously they had both imported methodology from Holland in the early 2000s, to learn from them. Holland have recently imported French methodology as well. There are two distinct schools of Dutch KNVB methodology. Cruyff ( where individual skill is paramount) and Van Gaal ( where team tactics and cohesion are paramount). Van Gaal has had far more success as a coach according to the books I've read on the subject. In Australia we've borrowed heavily on the Van Gaal school, where the team is paramount. Australia now has very good tactical players well in advance of their technical qualities. Even when Shinji Ono played in the HAL, he said it was far more advanced, tactically, than the J League. Powerhouses Italy and Holland (and the USA in a weak confederation) all failing to qualify for Russia 2018 was astonishing. Again us qualifying for four WCs in a row, is pretty good for a non-football nation. Aus is the only nation to do so, where football isn't the first or second most popular sport in the last four World Cups. yes we don't sit back much and consider thats not too bad considering our own constant challenges at home for our players here and abroad and the cluster F with our governing body over all these years. Were harsh critics due to our passion and will to deliver. You'd only wish to be in Guus's position out of them all, he had a squad capable to do something with some luck as you always need in games whereas the the rest have ground it out pretty hard - the last taking the longest route to qualify. Sitting on the couch is bad enough heart attack material, imagine what goes through their minds and hearts in games. Ange/Brazil was killing me the most I don't blame him one bit finally deciding enough is enough its a damn hard gig. The opposition knew little about Australia in Germany 2006, which was a great advantage for Guus.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt would be interesting to see which other countries have qualified for the World Cup besides Australia in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018? I'm surmising: *Europe Germany Holland Italy France Portugal Spain Croatia? England? *Asia Australia South Korea Japan Iran? * CONCCAFF Mexico *Africa Ivory Coast? *Oceania No team. Italy Lol Did Italy miss out on one, or was it a Euro Champs? Italy missed 2018 Wcup Holland missed 2018 too I thought it was a Euro Champs? Thanks though for correcting me, BT. It was a catastrophe for Holland. Rather than many other nations borrowing on Holland's football methodology because of their sustained success, the Dutch KNVB visited Germany and Belgiums straight after the 2018 WC debacle to do the same. Previously they had both imported methodology from Holland in the early 2000s, to learn from them. Holland have recently imported French methodology as well. There are two distinct schools of Dutch KNVB methodology. Cruyff ( where individual skill is paramount) and Van Gaal ( where team tactics and cohesion are paramount). Van Gaal has had far more success as a coach according to the books I've read on the subject. In Australia we've borrowed heavily on the Van Gaal school, where the team is paramount. Australia now has very good tactical players well in advance of their technical qualities. Even when Shinji Ono played in the HAL, he said it was far more advanced, tactically, than the J League. Powerhouses Italy and Holland (and the USA in a weak confederation) all failing to qualify for Russia 2018 was astonishing. Again us qualifying for four WCs in a row, is pretty good for a non-football nation. Aus is the only nation to do so, where football isn't the first or second most popular sport in the last four World Cups. yes we don't sit back much and consider thats not too bad considering our own constant challenges at home for our players here and abroad and the cluster F with our governing body over all these years. Were harsh critics due to our passion and will to deliver. You'd only wish to be in Guus's position out of them all, he had a squad capable to do something with some luck as you always need in games whereas the the rest have ground it out pretty hard - the last taking the longest route to qualify. Sitting on the couch is bad enough heart attack material, imagine what goes through their minds and hearts in games. Ange/Brazil was killing me the most I don't blame him one bit finally deciding enough is enough its a damn hard gig. The opposition knew little about Australia in Germany 2006, which was a great advantage for Guus. hum there's just one main thing about that D. All NT Coachs/TD's would have done their homework as any does once their Group is known. Quali game footage and the players backgrounds. The only element of surprise to opponents that we actually and finally made it. They sure would have known about these guys for starters : England was the preferred destination for the vast majority of the stars of the Socceroos’ in 2006, with Schwarzer, Lucas Neill, Tim Cahill, Mark Viduka, Craig Moore, Harry Kewell and Brett Emerton all playing Premier League football in 2006. Aloisi and Bresciano played in Spain and Italy respectively. Thats 7 key start up players right there for starters followed by Kalac/Culina/Chippers/Poppa/Grella playing abroad and who ever else I've missed - the rest in the link https://www.topendsports.com/events/worldcupsoccer/countries/australia/squad-2006.htm
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+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt would be interesting to see which other countries have qualified for the World Cup besides Australia in 2006, 2010, 2014 and 2018? I'm surmising: *Europe Germany Holland Italy France Portugal Spain Croatia? England? *Asia Australia South Korea Japan Iran? * CONCCAFF Mexico *Africa Ivory Coast? *Oceania No team. Italy Lol Did Italy miss out on one, or was it a Euro Champs? Italy missed 2018 Wcup Holland missed 2018 too I thought it was a Euro Champs? Thanks though for correcting me, BT. It was a catastrophe for Holland. Rather than many other nations borrowing on Holland's football methodology because of their sustained success, the Dutch KNVB visited Germany and Belgiums straight after the 2018 WC debacle to do the same. Previously they had both imported methodology from Holland in the early 2000s, to learn from them. Holland have recently imported French methodology as well. There are two distinct schools of Dutch KNVB methodology. Cruyff ( where individual skill is paramount) and Van Gaal ( where team tactics and cohesion are paramount). Van Gaal has had far more success as a coach according to the books I've read on the subject. In Australia we've borrowed heavily on the Van Gaal school, where the team is paramount. Australia now has very good tactical players well in advance of their technical qualities. Even when Shinji Ono played in the HAL, he said it was far more advanced, tactically, than the J League. Powerhouses Italy and Holland (and the USA in a weak confederation) all failing to qualify for Russia 2018 was astonishing. Again us qualifying for four WCs in a row, is pretty good for a non-football nation. Aus is the only nation to do so, where football isn't the first or second most popular sport in the last four World Cups. yes we don't sit back much and consider thats not too bad considering our own constant challenges at home for our players here and abroad and the cluster F with our governing body over all these years. Were harsh critics due to our passion and will to deliver. You'd only wish to be in Guus's position out of them all, he had a squad capable to do something with some luck as you always need in games whereas the the rest have ground it out pretty hard - the last taking the longest route to qualify. Sitting on the couch is bad enough heart attack material, imagine what goes through their minds and hearts in games. Ange/Brazil was killing me the most I don't blame him one bit finally deciding enough is enough its a damn hard gig. The opposition knew little about Australia in Germany 2006, which was a great advantage for Guus. hum there's just one main thing about that D. All NT Coachs/TD's would have done their homework as any does once their Group is known. Quali game footage and the players backgrounds. The only element of surprise to opponents that we actually and finally made it. They sure would have known about these guys for starters : England was the preferred destination for the vast majority of the stars of the Socceroos’ in 2006, with Schwarzer, Lucas Neill, Tim Cahill, Mark Viduka, Craig Moore, Harry Kewell and Brett Emerton all playing Premier League football in 2006. Aloisi and Bresciano played in Spain and Italy respectively. Thats 7 key start up players right there for starters followed by Kalac/Culina/Chippers/Poppa/Grella playing abroad and who ever else I've missed - the rest in the link https://www.topendsports.com/events/worldcupsoccer/countries/australia/squad-2006.htm I've seen this view advanced quite a lot by significant stakeholders in the Aus football fraternity, LFC. We didn't really have a mandated style in 2006. There may not have been much prior footage of Australia playing the Guus way available to opposition coaches. At the 2014 WC under Ange, I think a Croatian coach stated that the Socceroos looked very much like a Dutch team the way they trained, set up, etc. Interesting comment after a solid 6 years of Dutch, French, German and Spanish based FFA NC. Even in 2010, all those Socceroo Asian WCQs would have been available to opposition coaches.
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+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile.
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+x+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile. If he was respectful of the opposition and of the World Cup in general he wouldn't have gone in with such a green defence and keeper into the world Cup. I found it disrespectful to the opposition, to the World Cup and to Schwarzer who was still the best keeper we had. And if anyone thinks that Schwarzer retired and wasn't pushed I have some land in the Lane Cove River to sell you. To treat a World Cup in the way he did as a warm up event for the Asian cup was also disrespectful for the generations who tried and failed to qualify through a harder route in earlier times for the World Cup.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile. If he was respectful of the opposition and of the World Cup in general he wouldn't have gone in with such a green defence and keeper into the world Cup. I found it disrespectful to the opposition, to the World Cup and to Schwarzer who was still the best keeper we had. And if anyone thinks that Schwarzer retired and wasn't pushed I have some land in the Lane Cove River to sell you. To treat a World Cup in the way he did as a warm up event for the Asian cup was also disrespectful for the generations who tried and failed to qualify through a harder route in earlier times for the World Cup. Taggart starting against Spain. Halloran getting minutes.... yeah it was nice of Ryan to repay with the terrible match against Holland.
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The best tactical move Ange did in Brazil was bringing off Franjic. He was getting slaughtered by Chile. Even then it was through an injury.
Troisi was best against Spain. Don’t know why it took so long.
You can’t go to a WC and build for the next WC.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile. If he was respectful of the opposition and of the World Cup in general he wouldn't have gone in with such a green defence and keeper into the world Cup. I found it disrespectful to the opposition, to the World Cup and to Schwarzer who was still the best keeper we had. And if anyone thinks that Schwarzer retired and wasn't pushed I have some land in the Lane Cove River to sell you. To treat a World Cup in the way he did as a warm up event for the Asian cup was also disrespectful for the generations who tried and failed to qualify through a harder route in earlier times for the World Cup. Totally agree. Ange leaving out Lucas Neill, Archie Thompson, Schwarzer was terrible. His only ‘saving grace’ was Cahill scoring 2 goals
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+x+x+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile. If he was respectful of the opposition and of the World Cup in general he wouldn't have gone in with such a green defence and keeper into the world Cup. I found it disrespectful to the opposition, to the World Cup and to Schwarzer who was still the best keeper we had. And if anyone thinks that Schwarzer retired and wasn't pushed I have some land in the Lane Cove River to sell you. To treat a World Cup in the way he did as a warm up event for the Asian cup was also disrespectful for the generations who tried and failed to qualify through a harder route in earlier times for the World Cup. arrogance pretty much sums up that time for his "vision" and we got owned big time. Balin Trev yep those stalwarts were what was needed, our biggest games when in a WC Grp for lets face it, were pretty much not expected to advance so every single one of those are Finals and he took us to a gun fight with a knife.
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Hiddink without doubt had the biggest influence on where the game sat in Australia. The success of the local A-League, public, media and corporate interest that followed were hugely influenced by his performance at the 2006 WC. He didn't stay on afterwards and I think he knew that the qualification for the next WC would be be more difficult through Asia and the squad was aging and the replacements were not at that same level. Hailed in the Dutch influence at all coaching levels of the game locally. Without doubt he left the biggest legacy.
Verbeek is possibly the most polarizing of coaches. Some have said he did "just enough to get through"- except that even with a very long qualifying stage, we ended up as the first or second in the World to qualify for the WC.
Some called him "dour"- I think he played with what he had to get results that we needed. If anything that perception of him just exposed Australia's immaturity and naivety when it came to playing tournament football. He's tenure is regrettably mostly remembered by that game against Germany- the one where Garcia had a shot cleared off the line in the opening minutes, Cahill got sent off, and a German team that played unlike any German team before them and also put 4 goals past England and Messi's Argentina. He was also criticized for not playing youth, but the debutants under him include Tommy Oar, Mile Jedinak, James Troisi, James Holland, and Jade North became mainstay, and even Mark Bridge and Bruce Djite got a go. Remains as equal most points at a WC.
Postecoglou. Did a wholesale clean-out- an approach he used at club level to great success. A philosophy of possession at all costs, attack and we'll worry about defending at some undefined point in the future meant zero points and a -6 GD, but he also knew no-one would blame him after Osiek was dumped. Crowning achievement was the Asia Cup in 2015, (controversially he omitted Aaron Mooy) The WC 2018 qualifiers were heart in mouth stuff and failure to qualify was as close as just one shot off the post. In the end I think he genuinely does care for Australian football but his tenure was also about him and his ego, culminating in him bailing out the job for the 2018 WC and leaving van Marjwijk to pick the pieces.
Osiek- less said the better.
van Marwijk. Was able to organize and shore up the defense in 6 months better than Postecoglou could achieve in 4 years. This is a hallmark of all 3 Dutch coaches we've had, beginning with Hiddink. Excellent performances against eventual Champions France and highly-rated Denmark. I think even he was surprised at how diabolically bad Australia's finishing was. I think the team really got up for these two big teams and forgot that that Peru team was pretty good and showed us how to finish.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+xThe hiatus that has been forced on the national teams has taken the focus away from our current set up. Unfortunately it may mean we have Arnold for longer than otherwise we may. To me he's done exceedingly well as a club coach. I don't think he's got the makeup of being a top international coach. The things he said during the Asian Cup were not a good look. He talked big, but didn't deliver. Ended with barely a pass mark. He talked big again in the Olympic qualifiers, and got through as the third best team. Again, barely a pass mark. I suspect that Popovic would end up as our best home grown international level coach of the current crop. I hope he gets his chance. I think Arnie has the attributes to be a very successful international coach, FK55. His big problem is to stop boasting before games and tournaments about how the Socceroos will dominate the opposition. He gives opposition teams motivation to try even harder against us. He needs to be a lot more respectful to the opposition, like Pim, Bert or Ange.At one stage I was dark on Arnie , because he claimed we needed to continue with the policy of selecting football athletes for underage teams like pre 2005, as opposed to technicians. Recently though he has said the technical skill of underage national team players exceeds anything he has seen before in any era in Aus. I think if Arnie could learn to shut his mouth, and pay respect to the opposition, he can become one of our greatest coaches. Poignantly, he sees the link between underage national teams and the national senior team. He his fast tracking capable young players. Matt Ryan said Arnie is one the few coaches he has played under at club and international level, who is both a good man manager and tactician. Ryan claims most other coaches are one or the other. Ange was never respectful of the opposition. I can't remember him ever saying Aus was going to dominate the opposition like Arnie has done. I seem to remember Ange being respectful of the 2014 WC opponents, Holland, Spain and Chile. If he was respectful of the opposition and of the World Cup in general he wouldn't have gone in with such a green defence and keeper into the world Cup. I found it disrespectful to the opposition, to the World Cup and to Schwarzer who was still the best keeper we had. And if anyone thinks that Schwarzer retired and wasn't pushed I have some land in the Lane Cove River to sell you. To treat a World Cup in the way he did as a warm up event for the Asian cup was also disrespectful for the generations who tried and failed to qualify through a harder route in earlier times for the World Cup. One thing he is known for is getting rid of senior squad members. He did it at Brisbane too. I think he does this so as to have total powerand no challenges to his authority. It really is his way or the highway.
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AJF
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I didnt have an issue with Ange getting rid of the old timers and starting to lay the foundations for the future. I mean Neil hadnt played for more than 12 months (may of even been close to 2 years) and was expecting to be captain, could never happen. Schwarzer was 41 and warming the pine in Chelsea so not sure how you could justify picking him and Archie, as much as I love him, he was also 36 and only really performed against Oceania teams so Personally, I think Ange was expecting a long stay as NT coach and many of his decisions on players were done to build a legacy, but after Gallop/Lowy told him to tow the corporate line, I reckon he cracked the shits and left. I really wasnt fan of him experimenting with formations during the WC qualifiers, but then everyone complained about Pim's conservative style and lack of blooding young players (me included) so NT coaches probably cant win. Also, love the hate directed toward the guy who is arguably the most successful Aussie coach ever.
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