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+x+x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. There's a lot of nuances to playing a possession style game. For instance a 1v1 must still has purpose, dependent on the situation. With the youth player when is the right time and place to use 1v1? Why doesn't 1v1 involve a bounce, then a 1-2 pass? What body shape should you be in? Where should your first touch go to get the advantage on your opponent? In one v one situation is the player looking at the ball or has his head up? What are his team mates reaction when the one v one situation occurs? When you win the one v one what next? If you lose the 1v1 what next? Then there's the big picture. Why arent we producing the one v one player in quantity? Its probably societal, no street football, lack of good motorskills. Then cultural, parents without football knowledge unable to teach their kids what is good football and what is not. Arthur - isn't that making things too complex... Much of that you cannot teach. You can watch videos and point out a few things to players but at the end of the day much of that 1 v 1 is basic intelligence of the player. They either have it or they don't. Its a bit like school teachers, public vs private debate and/or some of the experts working for the education ministers talking about different ways to teach and how complex everything is. At the end of the day the two biggest determinants whether a child will perform well at high school is 1. did the child grow up in a house with books and 2. what is the education level of the parents. No matter how important the teachers and schools think they are - they probably aren't... I have a feeling the over intellectualisation of football strategy is the same. The biggest job is to help Forster an environment that producers free thinking smart players who can play a variety of styles with high technical aplomb. The rest although interesting is probably not as important as some want to believe. Zoltan I’ve seen it being taught in game related drills or in drills themselves, by creating patterns. What I mentioned above isn’t how you’d approach it to the youth player. That’s more for the coach to consider. For the player, you break it down into stages, you don’t overload the information. But you insist on certIn key points, eg keep your head up when on the ball, scanning (awareness) these would be non-negotiable. Then you apply building blocks, each block builds up to a stage the player instinctively knows what’s required and what’s to his advantage.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals.
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+xAt Youth Level Possession Football is the only way to go. The definition of possession football is as follows Passes made in all directions, 360 degrees Ball switched from side to side multiple times in each possession. Rhythm of possession. Probing passes into feet & back again. Angled passes Back line, defence and midfield play pivotal role in possession Balls played wide to create space on opposite side, followed by switch Keeper throws ball to build up from back. Few punts Free kicks played to feet to keep possession Throw-ins played to possess the ball often to backs or midfielders As opposed to direct football Players almost always pass forward Many passes are long and vertical Many passes played into areas – kick vs pass Many passes are played into space behind opponents’ back line – foot races Lots of fights for ‘second balls’ All goal kicks are punted long All throw-ins are thrown long ‘down the line’ All free kicks in defensive and middle third are kicked long with everyone moving up for the kick Many junior coaches in the local Football environment recruit fast big players and defenders who are strong and just bash the ball forward for the attackers to chase. They use “early physical developers” to win games and do a dis-service not only to the physically weaker players but also to the bigger boys as this style of play produces technically deficient players who will be learning nothing about how to play the game at a higher level. Not only is it boring for the players, enforces results over fun and enjoyment and therefore arguably produces a larger dropout rate of youngsters, it is in fact also ineffective once the players mature and their physical strengths converge as adults. Your child is in danger of becoming a boring and uninventive player and is most unlikely either truly to discover the joy of playing the ball, or to even excel in the game against other players who have spent a decade or more possessing the ball. Sample of program I am putting together for a local Club's Miniroos program: We play short passes, which requires players to support each other in attack and defence, and is harder to defend and anticipate We play only longer balls in response to a movement by a team-mate not in the hope of one - to move and ask for the ball after which the pass is delivered; Our Goal Keepers are discouraged from kicking the ball long unless there is no other option Our Goalkeeper will roll the ball to a team-mate so the team can begin to play immediately from the back If we have no option to find a team-mate we will always keep the ball. At no time should they be told to kick it away regardless of the position they play or where they are on the field We encourage players to express themselves through their football and recognise that everyone is not the same and shouldn’t play so. Some play fast, others slow, some play simple, others read situations and find more complex solutions, and some have enough skill to individually dominate a game, while others can only dream of doing so, but all should be allowed to find their own game not forced to conform to a uniform way of playing; We vary the speed of play during a game, which requires a team to hold the ball. In this way good coaches can coach the key moments when in possession, the opponent in possession or the changeover, build awareness in the players to aid understanding and decision making, and allow the players to develop a feel for the game that comes only from thousands of hours playing it. I like this article as far as articulating possession football; 1 Truth, 1 Fallacy, and 1 Solution for Coaching Possession Soccer By Gary Kleiban A Truth It can be successfully done across all levels of play. The main reason it’s rarely seen, is that most coaches have not acquired the expertise to do it. First and foremost, a coach must develop a possession-based philosophy (a vision … a taste … a feel for that type of football). Then he must whole-heartedly commit to the process of having his teams reach it. If those two requirements aren’t met, then chances of it happening are close to zero. If however, we’ve got a green light on those, then what comes next is converging on a small and proper set of enabling activities to train players with. A Fallacy Now, a fallacy that has been circulated for as long as I can remember: “We can’t play a winning possession-based game, unless we have the technical players first.” And it’s generally crap. How ‘technical’ do they have to be? Yeah … nobody seems to address that question. Instead, the blanket statement is thrown, everyone nods because there’s a logic to it; it’s taken as truth, and we’re all excused. I’ll give you just one answer today: The amount of space and time a player has, dictates how technical he must be. The more space and time you’ve got, the lower the requirement on technique. Right off the bat, this means that the lower the level your team is competing at, the lower the technical requirement on your players. Because intrinsic to the lower levels, is more space and time. Even more important: Time and space can be manipulated by player decisions. And how is that achieved? Tactically! Solution If you can train your players to create more space and time for themselves and teammates, you’ve just lowered the technical requirements. Coaching baby, coaching. The factor that makes or breaks implementing a successful possession style is chiefly tactical. And I say all this not in theory, but from experience. We’ve done it across levels of play. So executing the possession-based game requires proper training. Proper tactical training! It’s about teaching decision-making on the field and choreography. The point here being you do not need master class technical players to successfully implement winning possession-based soccer. I’ll reiterate a comment (partially modified) I made last week: “Doesn’t matter what level the team is. If it’s an ‘average Joe American’ team … well, you’re usually competing against other ‘average Joe American’ teams. So in time, you should be able to execute.” +1,love it
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. That’s a bit deceptive that context is when ‘in possession’ not ‘when playing possession’.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
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+x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. There's a lot of nuances to playing a possession style game. For instance a 1v1 must still has purpose, dependent on the situation. With the youth player when is the right time and place to use 1v1? Why doesn't 1v1 involve a bounce, then a 1-2 pass? What body shape should you be in? Where should your first touch go to get the advantage on your opponent? In one v one situation is the player looking at the ball or has his head up? What are his team mates reaction when the one v one situation occurs? When you win the one v one what next? If you lose the 1v1 what next? Then there's the big picture. Why arent we producing the one v one player in quantity? Its probably societal, no street football, lack of good motorskills. Then cultural, parents without football knowledge unable to teach their kids what is good football and what is not. Every time I think about the Eric Mombearts comment about the lack of aggressiveness in Australian players it makes total sense as to why we don't develop enough 1v1 players. I.e they tell them to stop whilst dribbling rather than keeping going, something along the lines of that. Too much emphasis on the team as opposed to developing individuals has to be a draw back to this. There is definitely some emphasis on the culture on what we accept and dont accept when players play and self expression isn't one of them which is surprising.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. Bang - See how simple it is.... Thanks for posting
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This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. Bang - See how simple it is.... Thanks for posting What does it mean "Second line of sight with the player n the ball"?
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This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. Bang - See how simple it is.... Thanks for posting What does it mean "Second line of sight with the player n the ball"? Im not sure Im guessing the more advanced players have the ability to play different range of passes - so maybe over the top?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. Bang - See how simple it is.... Thanks for posting What does it mean "Second line of sight with the player n the ball"? Im not sure Im guessing the more advanced players have the ability to play different range of passes - so maybe over the top? Think W and V I believe. 1. 4 /. \. /. \ 2. 3. 5 Hard to show but there is also a pass 2 to 4 and 1 to 5 with this. Always a second option that is a diagonal pass.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
Lol, Thats the job spec for FA coaches, whoe mploy in posession and out of posession coaches for the senior team down to the u15, how it looks is down to the coaches, but if you want to create a master piece of art then dont do it by painting by numbers which is what you appear to want
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+x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. There's a lot of nuances to playing a possession style game. For instance a 1v1 must still has purpose, dependent on the situation. With the youth player when is the right time and place to use 1v1? Why doesn't 1v1 involve a bounce, then a 1-2 pass? What body shape should you be in? Where should your first touch go to get the advantage on your opponent? In one v one situation is the player looking at the ball or has his head up? What are his team mates reaction when the one v one situation occurs? When you win the one v one what next? If you lose the 1v1 what next? Very well put. I think that set of questions is crucial. However, I do think certain distinctions need to be drawn. I think (youth) footballers need to be mindful of all of these questions in match situations so that they don't needlessly forfeit possession, especially without defensive cover. Imo, the distinction is that these questions don't all need to considered in different phases of practice. Otherwise, there's a risk that players will be too reluctant to go with the 1 vs 1 route at all. So in the "skill practice" phase, in small-sided games and even in "phases of play" practice (to an extent), it's crucial that footballers have licence to try 1 vs 1 without fear of getting ticked off. They still need to be mindful of body shape, head position and direction. But I think they need to be free to do silly and selfish things. Massimo Luongo made some comment along the lines that Daniel Arzani hasn't had the 1 vs 1 aggressiveness coached out of him. I don't know Arzani. But I'm willing to bet that, growing up, he wasn't being careful to ensure that every 1 vs 1 duel he made in a training situation (probably match situations, too) was perfectly safe and measured. There needs to be a bit of freedom to try things. I think that it's easier to build the skill and then to refine the tactics around it than to learn to execute a skill (from scratch) with perfect tactical awareness. Let's assume my guess is good. Daniel Arzani is now probably very glad that he was a free spirit, even if he didn't dot every "i" and cross every "t". +x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. Then there's the big picture. Why arent we producing the one v one player in quantity? Its probably societal, no street football, lack of good motorskills. Then cultural, parents without football knowledge unable to teach their kids what is good football and what is not. Agreed. It would also help if Australia had a bigger player pool. But in street football, there are fewer rules and less adherence to tactical awareness (what happens if I lose the ball? etc.). Given that there's a lot less street football these days, is it possible we need to compensate for this opportunity to play freely in training? It just looks to me as if that reinforces the need to give footballers licence to be creative and a bit selfish with the ball at various points in training.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLiverpool FCPremier League 2019-2020 Possession Date | Opponents | Match Possession % | 09.08.2019 | Norwich City | 58.00% | 17.08.2019 | Southampton | 63.40% | 24.08.2019 | Arsenal | 52.80% | 31.08.2019 | Burnley | 63.20% | 14.09.2019 | Newcastle United | 75.60% | 21.09.2019 | Chelsea | 45.10% | 28.09.2019 | Sheffield United | 70.40% | 05.10.2019 | Leicester City | 51.40% | 19.10.2019 | Manchester United | 67.90% | 27.10.2019 | Tottenham Hotspur | 68.30% | 02.11.2019 | Aston Villa | 73.60% | 09.11.2019 | Manchester City | 44.90% | 23.11.2019 | Crystal Palace | 60.00% | 30.11.2019 | Brighton & Hove Albion | 45.00% | 04.12.2019 | Everton | 59.20% | 07.12.2019 | Bournemouth | 74.00% | 14.12.2019 | Watford | 67.80% | 29.01.2020 | West Ham United | 70.50% | 26.12.2019 | Leicester City | 59.10% | 29.12.2019 | Wolves | 62.90% | 02.01.2020 | Sheffield United | 67.20% | 11.01.2020 | Tottenham Hotspur | 67.20% | 19.01.2020 | Manchester United | 53.30% | 23.01.2020 | Wolves | 53.30% | 01.02.2020 | Southampton | 70.50% | 08.02.2020 | Norwich City | 61.60% | 22.02.2020 | West Ham United | 69.60% | 29.02.2020 | Watford | 70.07% | 07.03.2020 | Bournemouth | 74.50% | 14.03.2020 | Everton | 70.10% | 21.03.2020 | Crystal Palace | 73.30% | 04.04.2020 | Manchester City | 52.00% | 11.04.2020 | Aston Villa | 71.50% | 18.04.2020 | Brighton | 55.70% | 25.04.2020 | Burnley | 71.00% | 02.05.2020 | Arsenal | 69.30% | 09.05.2020 | Chelsea | 50.20% | 17.05.2020 | Newcastle United | 74.50% | | | | | Average | 63.51% |
This page was last updated on: 07/27/2020 18:18:19 It’s because they have better players I bet there is a strong correlation between team overall salary and possession stats.
Why do dogs lick there balls? Same answer with liverpool and their possession stats... Why are they better players , spent all their spare time without ball as kids. Possession starts as individual then progresses into a team, so for u7 the first thing to coach is shielding the ball (individual posession) That is not the discussion. The discussion is about whether possession is a legit strategy and what people are saying is that because the best teams have the most possession it must be because possession is a great strategy. Many people say it’s nonsense and that possession stats are a result of having better players and nothing to do with strategy.
As children teaching possession is actually problematic if it’s the overriding focus. it’s called over coaching. Yes teams need to know how to string passes together but what is more important at an elite level is individual skill, dribbling and generally producing players who are confident on the ball.
As mombaerts said we focus too much on team results at the expense of producing dynamic individual players. Teams are just 11 individuals... posession isnt just passing , it starts with the individual oh k........ hope this helps https://www.thefa.com/bootroom/about/england-dna/the-future-england-player/age-phase-prioritiesin posession Stay on the ball, master the ballDevelop a mastery of the ball and the confidence to try new things. Excite with the ball and seek creative solutionsBe exciting and positive in possession, playing with individuality and with elements of disguise and surprise. Connect and combine creatively with othersCombine creatively and intelligently with others to create and score goals. When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) Dirk, it’s a nice sentiment and your hearts in the right place. But what does creativity look like? How do we help the player become creative? What is the measure of ball mastery? How do we help the player develop ball mastery? What does exciting and positive mean? What does it look like? Elements of disguise and surprise, what is meant and how do you teach it? i think you get what I mean, it’s similar to when coaches scream at 12 year olds to “concentrate” or “tighten up at the back”. What does that mean? How does the player interpret these instructions? I hope you can see it’s not enough for kids aged 4-16 to effect improvement with these statements. Getting back to Farina’s comments, personally I see nothing wrong with the National Curriculum, and the coaching course are a great resource. i have made comment directly to Sean Douglas and Erik Abrams, that the coaching course in many cases have had little effect in changing a persons methods and understanding of the game from when they went in to when they went out. Ive also been very lucky to have had an insight into Barcelona methodology through Valkanis via Gombau and Amor. At a workshop with Gombau he states these are the style rules of Barcelona. They keep it very simple, their are six style rules. If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. And yes they will use repetition skill moves. Ive seen the same at PEC Zwolle where I was last year, great club great people, implementing the same style rules.
Even then I’ve seen French, Scottish, English and Greek football academies all taking a possession based approach for their youth players.
Another point here to, Ive found coaches in overseas club academies more open and welcoming than anything I’ve seen or experienced here.
If you can pass pass If you can’t pass hold onto the ball No square balls Players to have line of sight with the player on the ball Second line of sight with the player n the ball Action reaction (lose the ball get it back) When you see sessions based on these Style Rules you’ll be surprised how quickly the players pick up the possession game and how quickly they improve. Bang - See how simple it is.... Thanks for posting What does it mean "Second line of sight with the player n the ball"? Do my best to explain it. Line of sight means the players whose team is in possession must be able to see and have a line of sight (Unimpeded view) of the player with the ball. 2nd line of sight means that the player must not have a teammate impeding his view of the player with the ball.
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Even in street football if you want to dribble one two or three players you better beat the opponents cause if you don’t the dribblers team mates will give him hell for not looking up to see the opportunities to score a simple goal.
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+x+x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. There's a lot of nuances to playing a possession style game. For instance a 1v1 must still has purpose, dependent on the situation. With the youth player when is the right time and place to use 1v1? Why doesn't 1v1 involve a bounce, then a 1-2 pass? What body shape should you be in? Where should your first touch go to get the advantage on your opponent? In one v one situation is the player looking at the ball or has his head up? What are his team mates reaction when the one v one situation occurs? When you win the one v one what next? If you lose the 1v1 what next? Very well put. I think that set of questions is crucial. However, I do think certain distinctions need to be drawn. I think (youth) footballers need to be mindful of all of these questions in match situations so that they don't needlessly forfeit possession, especially without defensive cover. Imo, the distinction is that these questions don't all need to considered in different phases of practice. Otherwise, there's a risk that players will be too reluctant to go with the 1 vs 1 route at all. So in the "skill practice" phase, in small-sided games and even in "phases of play" practice (to an extent), it's crucial that footballers have licence to try 1 vs 1 without fear of getting ticked off. They still need to be mindful of body shape, head position and direction. But I think they need to be free to do silly and selfish things. Massimo Luongo made some comment along the lines that Daniel Arzani hasn't had the 1 vs 1 aggressiveness coached out of him. I don't know Arzani. But I'm willing to bet that, growing up, he wasn't being careful to ensure that every 1 vs 1 duel he made in a training situation (probably match situations, too) was perfectly safe and measured. There needs to be a bit of freedom to try things. I think that it's easier to build the skill and then to refine the tactics around it than to learn to execute a skill (from scratch) with perfect tactical awareness. Let's assume my guess is good. Daniel Arzani is now probably very grateful that he was a free spirit, even if he didn't dot every "i" and cross every "t". +x+xI agree with all that Arthur says. I would just say that it needs to be done as Arthur says. - passing sideways in the middle and defensive third for almost the whole game = successful possession-based style.
If this is happening from day one of playing football, then I despair. Clearly, those angled, forward passes need to happen or else such a style won't yield results. I'm not sure how this can be coached. Maybe a rule, in training, that no more than x consecutive sideways and back passes are allowed or else your team forfeit possession? There's also a problem if footballers are encouraged to focus on possession at the cost of 1 vs 1. If the entire focus is on possession as a team, the individual footballer doesn't learn to take on opponents individually. Obviously, the best wingers and strikers have these skills. And 1 vs 1 skills have been sorely lacking among senior Australian footballers. Edited. As I had forgotten to include the second mini paragraph. Then there's the big picture. Why arent we producing the one v one player in quantity? Its probably societal, no street football, lack of good motorskills. Then cultural, parents without football knowledge unable to teach their kids what is good football and what is not. Agreed. It would also help if Australia had a bigger player pool. But in street football, there are fewer rules and less adherence to tactical awareness (what happens if I lose the ball? etc.). Given that there's a lot less street football these days, is it possible we need to compensate for this opportunity to play freely in training? It just looks to me as if that reinforces the need to give footballers licence to be creative and a bit selfish with the ball at various points in training. I think we have the pool or quantity, what we probably need to focus on is the quality. So yes a deeper pool of talent. How can that happen? First of all coaching plays a significant role and secondly parents play a role. Some how we have to educate both, firstly in my opinion is help the kids just love the game. Then let’s work on all the skills and tactical knowledge they will need to further their love of the game. To see so many kids from the age cohorts of 1996 to 2002 borns not only give the game away but actually have no more love or interest is depressing
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+xEven in street football if you want to dribble one two or three players you better beat the opponents cause if you don’t the dribblers team mates will give him hell for not looking up to see the opportunities to score a simple goal. I don't think that's always the case, though. I was in the Netherlands for 3-4 months in 2018. Kids played street football and cage football for hours after school and on weekends. Often, kids just have fun with the ball at their feet and try out different things. If they attempt to dribble a couple of opponents, now and then, their teammates won't (or shouldn't) have a tantrum if they lose the ball. Sure, there are also more competitive street football games in which teammates might get a bit fed up if another teammate ALWAYS tries to take everyone on and often loses the ball. But it's really a question of balance. How do we learn to do something well? We learn by failure. For 99.99% of people, we try and fail. We keep trying until we succeed. True mastery is the person trying until they basically can't fail. If you want to try to take on an opponent, 1 vs 1, chances are you'll fail in the early days. Same with if you progress to trying to take on two or three opponents. But it's necessary to experience that failure and to learn how to do it. To that end, we need to allow failure. Now and then, a footballer like Daniel Arzani comes along and it makes everybody sit up. Do you really think guys like that had tactical awareness at the back of their mind (let alone the forefront of their mind) for every single 1 vs 1 duel they attempted as kids? Is it more feasible to allow an Arzani type footballer to develop their individual skills with freedom and then to encourage them to refine their 1 vs 1 with greater consideration of situational awareness? Or, from Day 1, to try to get an Arzani-type footballer to ensure that they are only attempting a 1 vs 1 in exclusively tactically-suitable scenarios? Does Australian football need more Arzani-type footballers? Or more midfielders who can pass well, can execute a plan but who lack that x-factor?
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The best place to start is with ourselves
What prejudice do we hold about certain players or styles of play.
The most common thing I hear these days, mostly from people who know very little, is 'he hold on to the ball too long'.......and then people look at each other knowingly like they know the key to football success...
So as Moembarts says - lets celebrate the creative, lets celebrate the individuals.....not just talk in hushed tones about 'not being a team player'...
RESPECT THE INDIVIDUAL.....
The problem is that the coach's ego is at stake.....as well as other players who aren't as creative or talented....
So the talented individual is in a tough place unless they receive support
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+xThe best place to start is with ourselves What prejudice do we hold about certain players or styles of play. The most common thing I hear these days, mostly from people who know very little, is 'he hold on to the ball too long'.......and then people look at each other knowingly like they know the key to football success... So as Moembarts says - lets celebrate the creative, lets celebrate the individuals.....not just talk in hushed tones about 'not being a team player'... RESPECT THE INDIVIDUAL..... The problem is that the coach's ego is at stake.....as well as other players who aren't as creative or talented.... So the talented individual is in a tough place unless they receive support You’re right about comments and assessments about youth players holding on to the ball too long. Lack of football culture for sure. But that’s our environment, parents have the “wrong” kind of say and input about their childrens sport, due to a lack of education and Football Culture. And many of our coaches have the “wrong” football philosophy and little understanding of pedagogical development.
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+x+xEven in street football if you want to dribble one two or three players you better beat the opponents cause if you don’t the dribblers team mates will give him hell for not looking up to see the opportunities to score a simple goal. I don't think that's always the case, though. I was in the Netherlands for 3-4 months in 2018. Kids played street football and cage football for hours after school and on weekends. Often, kids just have fun with the ball at their feet and try out different things. If they attempt to dribble a couple of opponents, now and then, their teammates won't (or shouldn't) have a tantrum if they lose the ball. Sure, there are also more competitive street football games in which teammates might get a bit fed up if another teammate ALWAYS tries to take everyone on and often loses the ball. But it's really a question of balance. How do we learn to do something well? We learn by failure. For 99.99% of people, we try and fail. We keep trying until we succeed. True mastery is the person trying until they basically can't fail. If you want to try to take on an opponent, 1 vs 1, chances are you'll fail in the early days. Same with if you progress to trying to take on two or three opponents. But it's necessary to experience that failure and to learn how to do it. To that end, we need to allow failure. Now and then, a footballer like Daniel Arzani comes along and it makes everybody sit up. Do you really think guys like that had tactical awareness at the back of their mind (let alone the forefront of their mind) for every single 1 vs 1 duel they attempted as kids? Is it more feasible to allow an Arzani type footballer to develop their individual skills with freedom and then to encourage them to refine their 1 vs 1 with greater consideration of situational awareness? Or, from Day 1, to try to get an Arzani-type footballer to ensure that they are only attempting a 1 vs 1 in exclusively tactically-suitable scenarios? Does Australian football need more Arzani-type footballers? Or more midfielders who can pass well, can execute a plan but who lack that x-factor? Australia needs improvement in every position at the very level. Technically and tactically.
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+x+x+xEven in street football if you want to dribble one two or three players you better beat the opponents cause if you don’t the dribblers team mates will give him hell for not looking up to see the opportunities to score a simple goal. I don't think that's always the case, though. I was in the Netherlands for 3-4 months in 2018. Kids played street football and cage football for hours after school and on weekends. Often, kids just have fun with the ball at their feet and try out different things. If they attempt to dribble a couple of opponents, now and then, their teammates won't (or shouldn't) have a tantrum if they lose the ball. Sure, there are also more competitive street football games in which teammates might get a bit fed up if another teammate ALWAYS tries to take everyone on and often loses the ball. But it's really a question of balance. How do we learn to do something well? We learn by failure. For 99.99% of people, we try and fail. We keep trying until we succeed. True mastery is the person trying until they basically can't fail. If you want to try to take on an opponent, 1 vs 1, chances are you'll fail in the early days. Same with if you progress to trying to take on two or three opponents. But it's necessary to experience that failure and to learn how to do it. To that end, we need to allow failure. Now and then, a footballer like Daniel Arzani comes along and it makes everybody sit up. Do you really think guys like that had tactical awareness at the back of their mind (let alone the forefront of their mind) for every single 1 vs 1 duel they attempted as kids? Is it more feasible to allow an Arzani type footballer to develop their individual skills with freedom and then to encourage them to refine their 1 vs 1 with greater consideration of situational awareness? Or, from Day 1, to try to get an Arzani-type footballer to ensure that they are only attempting a 1 vs 1 in exclusively tactically-suitable scenarios? Does Australian football need more Arzani-type footballers? Or more midfielders who can pass well, can execute a plan but who lack that x-factor? Australia needs improvement in every position at the very level. Technically and tactically. Agreed. But some positions more than others. Case in point, how the NT played against France. Defensively very solid and midfield did well. But what of the final third? Appalling. Toothless in terms of individual ability and innocuous finishing. What's missing more than anything is the Arzani-type of footballer. Australian football is very bottom-heavy. Nevertheless, I agree with you that Australia needs improvement everywhere and in all facets.
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one issue i see is that Players and parents of young players only see being selected for State as the pinnacle of their career and arent interested in making the sacrifice to go further, probably due to the middle class attitudes of the parents
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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+x+x+x+xEven in street football if you want to dribble one two or three players you better beat the opponents cause if you don’t the dribblers team mates will give him hell for not looking up to see the opportunities to score a simple goal. I don't think that's always the case, though. I was in the Netherlands for 3-4 months in 2018. Kids played street football and cage football for hours after school and on weekends. Often, kids just have fun with the ball at their feet and try out different things. If they attempt to dribble a couple of opponents, now and then, their teammates won't (or shouldn't) have a tantrum if they lose the ball. Sure, there are also more competitive street football games in which teammates might get a bit fed up if another teammate ALWAYS tries to take everyone on and often loses the ball. But it's really a question of balance. How do we learn to do something well? We learn by failure. For 99.99% of people, we try and fail. We keep trying until we succeed. True mastery is the person trying until they basically can't fail. If you want to try to take on an opponent, 1 vs 1, chances are you'll fail in the early days. Same with if you progress to trying to take on two or three opponents. But it's necessary to experience that failure and to learn how to do it. To that end, we need to allow failure. Now and then, a footballer like Daniel Arzani comes along and it makes everybody sit up. Do you really think guys like that had tactical awareness at the back of their mind (let alone the forefront of their mind) for every single 1 vs 1 duel they attempted as kids? Is it more feasible to allow an Arzani type footballer to develop their individual skills with freedom and then to encourage them to refine their 1 vs 1 with greater consideration of situational awareness? Or, from Day 1, to try to get an Arzani-type footballer to ensure that they are only attempting a 1 vs 1 in exclusively tactically-suitable scenarios? Does Australian football need more Arzani-type footballers? Or more midfielders who can pass well, can execute a plan but who lack that x-factor? Australia needs improvement in every position at the very level. Technically and tactically. Agreed. But some positions more than others. Case in point, how the NT played against France. Defensively very solid and midfield did well. But what of the final third? Appalling. Toothless in terms of individual ability and innocuous finishing. What's missing more than anything is the Arzani-type of footballer. Australian football is very bottom-heavy. Nevertheless, I agree with you that Australia needs improvement everywhere and in all facets. Yep. Apart from Jedinak penalty kick, did Socceroos even get 1 shot on target against France??! Even Denmark i only remember Arzani, Leckie and Rogic having decent shots on target saved by keeper. Peru was only Rogic on target but saved by keeper again. Our ‘strikers’ Nabbout and Juric did close to nothing. Old Cahill did more to threaten goal in 30 minutes against Peru than other strikers combined in all games 🙁
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So if we had our own Ronaldo or our own Messi we would have done what exactly? Having these players doesn’t guarantee the ultimate success at World Cup level, as Portugal and Argentina have found. They even have better midfielders and defenders to supply them. Not saying it wouldn’t be nice to have these players in our NT that’s for sure. But is it enough to have these type of players? To win a World Cup. Are we chasing the Holy Grail or a poisoned Chalice?
Maybe I’m wrong, can only say my opinion we as a nation should focus on the long term. Keep moving forward, keep seeking improvement. Better bigger more and stronger clubs, more better bigger football Realestate. Investment in human capital coaches players administrators parents supporters
The current football model we have doesn’t do us any favors, a first division that is isolated from the rest of the game focused more on ROI and profit therefore the focus is entertainment rather than being a club seeking glory and serving your supporters. A second tier (NPL) that is designed and purposed to develop the next generation of AL players and Socceroos but not develop Clubs, all at no cost to the AL or the FFA. Then community clubs cut off from the rest of the game again to care for the masses. I think once you tell clubs this is your job this your destiny they become siloed never to break free to be the best, or worst, they can be. Add to the mix a uniform coaching approach from the NC and there is a sameness in approach. No innovation no differentiation by clubs to develop their own Curriculum identity or purpose (as happens in nations with strong football culture). Their only purpose is fulfil the role designated to them.
So from my viewpoint unless we connect the pyramid, empower Clubs, allow them to innovate, creating more bigger financially strong clubs, have a transfer system, focus on football Realestate, Education Investment for coaches players parents administrators referees. I can’t see how we will develop the players like a Ronaldo, though I’d be happy with a De Bruyne of our own! Which really is a football free market system, compared to our current highly regulated one.
What a rant. 😂
PS I don’t think the current football construct can deliver the players we are hoping for
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I agree with basically all of that (especially the structures of a second-tier, empowered football clubs and far better investment in coaching).
But even with all that, if you don't develop 1 vs 1 footballers, you're going to struggle in the final third. I'd argue that 1 vs 1 players actually enhance the style of football to which you subscribe. If a team has, say two attacking footballers who have lethal 1 vs 1 skill, the opposition is forced to respect them that much more. It's two more things for the opposition to worry about. It's two extra strings to the team's bow. That means even more time and space for a Kevin De Bruyne-type player to weave his magic.
And if footballers are told off for trying and failing in their 1 vs 1 attempts, they probably won't succeed. They will be scared to try again the next time. Failure is a reality. They will encounter failure before they succeed. They just need to keep trying. Only through failure can you arrive at success.
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To develop better individual technique, creativity and strong 1v1 play get every kid that is playing football from the ages of 5-12 whether it’s grassroots or SAP into futsal and watch the improvement.
The modern successor to street football is futsal but it’s under utilised in Australia, the likes of Rogic, Arzani were big components of it when they were young.
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+xTo develop better individual technique, creativity and strong 1v1 play get every kid that is playing football from the ages of 5-12 whether it’s grassroots or SAP into futsal and watch the improvement. The modern successor to street football is futsal but it’s under utilised in Australia, the likes of Rogic, Arzani were big components of it when they were young. Unfortunately (imo) Futsall is not the answer and, to a certain extent, is contributing to the problems in player quality that we have.
It certainly can have a place and can assist player development (but overall it’s a small part of the jigsaw). What I like about my players who’ve come through Futsal is they tend to think better under pressure, have a good touch on the ball and deal with pressure slightly better than those that haven’t.
Where it doesn’t work well is it instills some Futsal habits that are bad habits on a normal football field -
The worst ones to my eye are bad tackling habits (the way you tackle in Futsal does not translate on to grass).
The way players dribble is all wrong (again, the way you dribble on a hard court is different to grass not least in speed [Futsallers tend to dribble slower because of the smaller pitch] and technique - they often tend to dribble the ball by bringing their foot “up and over” the ball ... on a hard court this has the benefit of maintaining control whereas on grass it slows the forward movement and tends to push the ball down in to the grass making the dribble look awkward and slow.
Then there’s bad habits around passing to feet instead of into space, taking players on when they shouldn’t, and a lack of a range of passing from short to driven pass.
So in short, playing Futsal does not make you a better footballer.
But like most things in Australian football it’s not Futsal itself that’s the problem, it’s the way it’s deployed and it’s lack of integration in to club development programs.
If I put a list of things to change futsal integration would be way down the list behind:
1/ End ‘Pay-for-Play’ and have only the best players in development programs.
2/ Grade development squads every year and not just once at U12 then leave them be until they’re graded again for U18’s.
3/ Introduce more physicality in to junior football and junior football training - too much time is spent playing against cones n poles in training which doesn’t translate when opponents start moving (unlike cones!)
4/ Get more ex-players into coaching. Too many people with C-Licences (mainly) think they can coach but have never played the game at any serious level and don’t get the nuances of an actual game.
Too many people think there are silver bullets to our problems when there aren’t. The Brazilians aren’t good at football because of Futsal, it’s way more in-depth than that.
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+x+xTo develop better individual technique, creativity and strong 1v1 play get every kid that is playing football from the ages of 5-12 whether it’s grassroots or SAP into futsal and watch the improvement. The modern successor to street football is futsal but it’s under utilised in Australia, the likes of Rogic, Arzani were big components of it when they were young. Unfortunately (imo) Futsall is not the answer and, to a certain extent, is contributing to the problems in player quality that we have.
It certainly can have a place and can assist player development (but overall it’s a small part of the jigsaw). What I like about my players who’ve come through Futsal is they tend to think better under pressure, have a good touch on the ball and deal with pressure slightly better than those that haven’t.
Where it doesn’t work well is it instills some Futsal habits that are bad habits on a normal football field -
The worst ones to my eye are bad tackling habits (the way you tackle in Futsal does not translate on to grass).
The way players dribble is all wrong (again, the way you dribble on a hard court is different to grass not least in speed [Futsallers tend to dribble slower because of the smaller pitch] and technique - they often tend to dribble the ball by bringing their foot “up and over” the ball ... on a hard court this has the benefit of maintaining control whereas on grass it slows the forward movement and tends to push the ball down in to the grass making the dribble look awkward and slow.
Then there’s bad habits around passing to feet instead of into space, taking players on when they shouldn’t, and a lack of a range of passing from short to driven pass.
So in short, playing Futsal does not make you a better footballer.
But like most things in Australian football it’s not Futsal itself that’s the problem, it’s the way it’s deployed and it’s lack of integration in to club development programs.
If I put a list of things to change futsal integration would be way down the list behind:
1/ End ‘Pay-for-Play’ and have only the best players in development programs.
2/ Grade development squads every year and not just once at U12 then leave them be until they’re graded again for U18’s.
3/ Introduce more physicality in to junior football and junior football training - too much time is spent playing against cones n poles in training which doesn’t translate when opponents start moving (unlike cones!)
4/ Get more ex-players into coaching. Too many people with C-Licences (mainly) think they can coach but have never played the game at any serious level and don’t get the nuances of an actual game.
Too many people think there are silver bullets to our problems when there aren’t. The Brazilians aren’t good at football because of Futsal, it’s way more in-depth than that. Decent post Waz. The reason I mentioned futsal is because there isn't enough unstructured/ free play going around the game in Oz these days. And alot of people mention futsal is a modern substitute for street football not just here. You mention about the bad habits in futsal, it doesnt harm the players in South America especially in Brazil where some of the worlds greatest players played futsal at a young age before they joined at elite team. There are clips I think on YouTube of Ronaldinho, Neymar playing futsal as 7 or 8 year olds and they haven't changed in their style as players ;) Spain and Japan are decent components of it too, De Gea's goalkeeping technique has some traits from his futsal days as a kid. The two greatest players in the modern era in Messi and C Ronaldo also payed tribute to their futsal roots. Japan are big on futsal due to their large Brazilian influence they got over there. If im not correct the late Johnny Warren was a big fan of it too and was disappointed the lack of attention futsal got at player development circles.
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Zoltan
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Again I think we are trying to come up with all these band aid solutions - throwing 10 of them up in the air as some kind of silver bullet and hope that one of them sticks. Futsal can be replicated (and does) with small sided games.
All of the above is too hard....
I prefer an easier method. There is nothing wrong with our structure, our players, our skill level, our tactical acumen.
The only problem (and its the same for very asian football nation) is MENTAL...
We are mentally immature
Spend more time convincing ourselves we are just as good as anyone. This thread is an example of our insecurities - always looking to see what Brazil or Germany does....that is a never ending mind screw...if I hear another person say 'its different in Europe'...
Lets act like the rich and smart country we are and spend our focus on the athletic brain and become smarter and more confident footballers...most of this is a quick fix...
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Arthur
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We are pretty much in agreement then.
The disparity goes back to not having a universal structure.
If all clubs did everything to develop a player the same way, would that work?
And here’s the issue, clubs should be free to develop players that fit into their football culture.
If they want to develop a bigger no. 9 to hit balls to, then so be it. They will need wingers too and midfielders with long passing range. So that’s what they’ll do.
If a club wants to have Futsal in their curriculum as they believe that it will develop players with a short passing game and insight then so be it.
In the end players in Europe and South America select players based on their form and performance for their club. Not because they are in a development pathway.
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