The Aussies Abroad Thread 2


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johnszasz - 20 Mar 2023 12:37 AM
Duke with two assists in a 3:0 win. I didn't realise he's under Peter Cklamovski there.

One nice thing for the J league is when you google the scores just after the game, they've already got reels there with key moments so immediate footage is available. 

I still can't fathom how he is only playing J2 he is such a good player.

I think he could easily play championship football he works, strong and has a great eye for goal.
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Bunch of Hacks - 20 Mar 2023 2:54 AM
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No chance Goodwin is our starting LW with McGree or Boyle fully fit. McGree ended up being the starting LW at the World cup ahead of Goodwin and Boyle was the starting LW in qualification ahead of Goodwin. 

Really, i think Goodwin has way more to offer than Boyle
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vincenzogold - 21 Mar 2023 12:01 PM
johnszasz - 20 Mar 2023 12:37 AM

I still can't fathom how he is only playing J2 he is such a good player.

I think he could easily play championship football he works, strong and has a great eye for goal.

Yeah same, he does such a job for sides. 



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vincenzogold - 21 Mar 2023 12:02 PM
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Really, i think Goodwin has way more to offer than Boyle

Boyle can play LW or RW .Goodwin is very good at timing runs into space behind defenders,particularly into the box and is an excellent  spot kick taker.Boyle is very good at running at defenders,taking them on and beating them.Both are assets to the squad and hopefully Boyle recovers fully from his knee surgery as he will be needed for the Asian Cup

We seem to have some depth in our wing positions with Goodwin,Boyle,McGree,Tilio,Garang Kuol,Arzani and Mabil all able to play there.Let's not forget Leckie too is in the mix when fit and even Hrustic can play wide.Piscopo,Ikonimidis,Yengi,Toure ,Irankunda,Jed Drew and Peupion may be in the squad at times leading up to the WC finals.
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I think we need to remember that neither Metcalfe nor Mcgree are proper left wingers so won't be replacing any traditional wingers we may play with. 

Mcgree has been played more as a left midfield but has licensed to roam around the middle and front thirds. If anything he is playing as more of a number 10. Giles is the one who bombs down the left, crosses and cuts in at the by line. 

Metcalfe as well is playing more as a right sided attacking midfielder. 

Neither are going to be replacing Boyle Mabil or Goodwin. 
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Capac - 21 Mar 2023 5:50 PM
I think we need to remember that neither Metcalfe nor Mcgree are proper left wingers so won't be replacing any traditional wingers we may play with. 

Mcgree has been played more as a left midfield but has licensed to roam around the middle and front thirds. If anything he is playing as more of a number 10. Giles is the one who bombs down the left, crosses and cuts in at the by line. 

Metcalfe as well is playing more as a right sided attacking midfielder. 

Neither are going to be replacing Boyle Mabil or Goodwin. 

I think mabil has fallen off a cliff mate. His spot is definitely up for grabs 
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I see Metcalfe as right sided No.8 or other words a right sided Mezzala akin to how Odegaard plays for Arsenal.

Technically good enough in central to wider areas when drifting but not quite a pure winger where he doesn’t have the pure speed or trickery in 1v1 situations.

The reason someone like Metcalfe plays as a right sided winger or inverted winger is because they play a back 3 and midfield 2 and often we see creative or central players play further forward as it protects from doing extra defending if they were part of a midfield 3 and quite common when teams defend with a 5.
He played as a box to box midfielder for Melb City but they play a different style and system with St Pauli so maybe they see something different in him? 

I could be wrong but I think Hrustic plays in a similar position when he was in Italy.

McGree plays quite fluidly as a attacking midfielder on both sides left and right for Middlesbrough under Carrick.

But both are not pure wingers lol
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Barca4Life - 21 Mar 2023 6:51 PM
I see Metcalfe as right sided No.8 or other words a right sided Mezzala akin to how Odegaard plays for Arsenal.

Technically good enough in central to wider areas when drifting but not quite a pure winger where he doesn’t have the pure speed or trickery in 1v1 situations.

The reason someone like Metcalfe plays as a right sided winger or inverted winger is because they play a back 3 and midfield 2 and often we see creative or central players play further forward as it protects from doing extra defending if they were part of a midfield 3 and quite common when teams defend with a 5.
He played as a box to box midfielder for Melb City but they play a different style and system with St Pauli so maybe they see something different in him? 

I could be wrong but I think Hrustic plays in a similar position when he was in Italy.

McGree plays quite fluidly as a attacking midfielder on both sides left and right for Middlesbrough under Carrick.

But both are not pure wingers lol

That's what I'm looking forward to. Something a bit narrower up top allowing better overlaps for Strain and Bos in the future. Finally we have some players that can do something on the ball. Mabil is fast but a bit wild. Leckie is robust but doesn't have the grace Metcalfe has. 
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Just to add. I think there's been enough evidence that Hrustic or Metcalfe can't handle being in the deep centre of midfield being swarmed from all sides. A bit higher up with less pressure of a grave turnover and they thrive. We've got others for the engine room
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johnszasz - 21 Mar 2023 8:07 PM
Just to add. I think there's been enough evidence that Hrustic or Metcalfe can't handle being in the deep centre of midfield being swarmed from all sides. A bit higher up with less pressure of a grave turnover and they thrive. We've got others for the engine room

What's your ideal 11? 
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johnszasz - 21 Mar 2023 8:04 PM
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That's what I'm looking forward to. Something a bit narrower up top allowing better overlaps for Strain and Bos in the future. Finally we have some players that can do something on the ball. Mabil is fast but a bit wild. Leckie is robust but doesn't have the grace Metcalfe has. 

If its 4-3-3 one of the centre mids will play more advanced which is where someone like Metcalfe might do, if it's 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 then one of them will play further forward to support the striker.
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johnszasz - 21 Mar 2023 8:07 PM
Just to add. I think there's been enough evidence that Hrustic or Metcalfe can't handle being in the deep centre of midfield being swarmed from all sides. A bit higher up with less pressure of a grave turnover and they thrive. We've got others for the engine room

Wouldnt mind see a 4-2-4 which is quite popular atm in England. Reverts to 442 in defense.

backline probably picks itself although I would like see to Bos get a run to see what is his level.

but you could do:

Goodwin--Boyle--Duke--Metcalfe
------------Baccus -- Irvine-----------

Boyle given the option to roam between the lines... not sure if he has played so central before tho.



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Quicky - 21 Mar 2023 10:29 PM
johnszasz - 21 Mar 2023 8:07 PM

What's your ideal 11? 

For this window it's too overwhelming. Wouldn't mind trying the Christmas tree. The thing is the players will draft all over so our set formations can change quickly. I don't think well ever seen Devlin and Baccus next together. I'd like to try with our highest energy players at some point.


                         Ryan
      Strain Souttar Rowles Behich
            O'Neill Irvine Baccus
               Metcalfe  McGree
                         Duke 
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Well I'm so glad my midfield worked out well.
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johnszasz - 25 Mar 2023 2:20 AM
Well I'm so glad my midfield worked out well.


I was about to say you picked it! They worked well generally, certainly a high work rate disruptive trio. I'd love a technician amongst them, which will be Mooy when fit. We also have McGree, Hrustic ( if he finds form), Robertson (as he develops). Theres Metcalfe, Genreau and Kalik pushing. There's a bit of depth about the team. 
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Quicky - 25 Mar 2023 10:29 AM
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I was about to say you picked it! They worked well generally, certainly a high work rate disruptive trio. I'd love a technician amongst them, which will be Mooy when fit. We also have McGree, Hrustic ( if he finds form), Robertson (as he develops). Theres Metcalfe, Genreau and Kalik pushing. There's a bit of depth about the team. 

Yeah the depth we are creating is great, really pushing a lot of guys on the fringes. Had completely forgotten about Genreau.

Its taken a while with the holding midfield position, we've been through Dougall, Jeggo, Brandon O'Neill, Stensness, Metcalfe (Better attacking player), Aiden O'Neill since Jedinak retired, but so far I think Aiden O'Neill is the better option out of all of them. Dougall, Jeggo and B O'Neill are probably finished with the Socceroos unless they can find some magical form.

And then attacking wise McGree, Irvine, Mooy Hrustic Kalik, Metcalfe, Genreau, Rogic??? Robertson there is good depth there too.
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Ds98 - 25 Mar 2023 11:30 AM
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Yeah the depth we are creating is great, really pushing a lot of guys on the fringes. Had completely forgotten about Genreau.

Its taken a while with the holding midfield position, we've been through Dougall, Jeggo, Brandon O'Neill, Stensness, Metcalfe (Better attacking player), Aiden O'Neill since Jedinak retired, but so far I think Aiden O'Neill is the better option out of all of them. Dougall, Jeggo and B O'Neill are probably finished with the Socceroos unless they can find some magical form.

And then attacking wise McGree, Irvine, Mooy Hrustic Kalik, Metcalfe, Genreau, Rogic??? Robertson there is good depth there too.

Let's not get carried away.

Out of all those names, Mcgree is so far the only realistic fringe Premier League player. Hrustic is also a fringe top 5 player, I do rate him highly though his form (and injuries) seems to fluctuate.  Mooy is in the twilight of his career and will be 35 next world cup, so maybe too old, maybe not

Metcalfe  maybe - but is he good enough for the Bundesliga?
Rogic is past it, a luxury option but his heart isn't in the NT anymore. I doesn't even seem like he and Arnie are on speaking terms anymore.
Kalik no idea why his name is even mentioned, played a handful of time for Hajduk. Lustica played heaps for them.
Robertson we have no idea. Brad Smith had  multiple caps for Liverpool now he is out of the sight of the NT. As a general rule academy players from the world's top clubs do not go on to forge professional careers. Too early and one half decent performance for the NT proves nothing.
Genreau - still a fringe player in ligue 1
Kuol and Irankunda - prospects at this stage, nothing more
Volpato - might choose Italy, maybe he will fade and not even make it in serie A. Too early to tell, like Robbo.

Every world cup cycle a bunch of exciting new names get thrown around, renewed hope of a new golden gen, but rarely does it come to fruition. I'd rather focus on players who have cut their teeth at senior European levels to guage the current stocks of the NT. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OkANe2Z50

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iihpHcpwKqA

Nice. A 46min interview with John Iredale only a fortnight old. He's such a natural finisher as is Maclaren so the question is how good his link up play is. I know he's good for an assist too.
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Fulham rising star George Okkas on Australia decision, Marco Silva talks and first team ambitions
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I dare say we might be second choice if he ever becomes a pro
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Surely Gauci joins this thread this summer. Would absolutely love him at Hannover as Zieler has probably this season and next but Zieler could be enticed by MLS
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Great to see our recruiting nets are widening as evidenced by the Alex Robertson call up, along with some of the U23 training camp attendees.  Interesting youth national appearances this week. Noa Skoko (Croatia U17), Christan Volpato (Italy U20) , Matteo Mazzone (Italy U18) and Jason Kodor (Romania U17).
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Should we make a list of Aussies who can win a title or major promotion?

I've got Kerr, catley, Ford and carpenter who can win uefa champions league 

Mcgree can get promoted to epl 

Matty Ryan in the quarters for uefa conference league 
Irvine and metcalfe trying to go up to bundislega

Am I forgetting anyone? 

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johnszasz - 26 Mar 2023 10:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OkANe2Z50

Kewell vs Grasshoppers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQ0SjgHM14

Iredale yesterday vs Essen. Great to see. Goal from 3:20

Iredale excellent finish
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Melbcityguy - 30 Mar 2023 9:22 PM
Should we make a list of Aussies who can win a title or major promotion?

I've got Kerr, catley, Ford and carpenter who can win uefa champions league 

Mcgree can get promoted to epl 

Matty Ryan in the quarters for uefa conference league 
Irvine and metcalfe trying to go up to bundislega

Am I forgetting anyone? 

Mooy, Postecoglou and Kewell at Celtic. 

Kaliks Hajduk Split are 2nd in Croatia 9 points back. 

Mabils Sparta Prague are 2nd and 12 points back in Czech Liga. 
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Quicky - 30 Mar 2023 9:40 PM
Melbcityguy - 30 Mar 2023 9:22 PM

Mooy, Postecoglou and Kewell at Celtic. 

Kaliks Hajduk Split are 2nd in Croatia 9 points back. 

Mabils Sparta Prague are 2nd and 12 points back in Czech Liga. 

+ Muscat just won J1 with Yokahama F Marinos. 
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