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BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Jan 2021 4:26 PM
So..... For all those who feel/believe the steps taken currently is overboard/overreacting due to the current extreme low number of case(s), what is YOUR magic number of cases (and/or deaths) before you believe that these types of steps should be activated/taken by the government(s)??

Contact tracing has been established to deal with small numbers of cases. It was successfully used in Brisbane when we had tens of cases, in SA, and in NSW. But now a single case is enough to lockdown 3 million people. 
Lockdowns should be used when numbers are still increasing despite contact tracing efforts.
What’s your number for coming out of lockdown on Tuesday or ever? 0? 1? 2? Clearly 1 case in 113 days is not sufficiently low enough or we wouldn’t be in lockdown now?


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tsf - 8 Jan 2021 9:01 PM
This has nothing to do with the game, but corona chat is here. My friend got a call from Vic Health telling them to isolate, because of a supposed contact 16 days before! WTF. Also no info on what or who was the contact. Does this sound right? 

Oh, but it has everything to do with the game, the fact the match got postponed on a whim.
What you found out, 16 days might be alright.
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This has nothing to do with the game, but corona chat is here. My friend got a call from Vic Health telling them to isolate, because of a supposed contact 16 days before! WTF. Also no info on what or who was the contact. Does this sound right? 
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SoccerooFan - 8 Jan 2021 5:07 PM
Apart from the game getting postponed, how is any of this related to Football or the Roar v Victory game? Yeah that's right, nothing. Keep the comments on here to football related discussion - there's plenty of other places where you can have a sook & crap on about politics

The game got postponed did you know or what? That other post had too much detail, yes.
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Apart from the game getting postponed, how is any of this related to Football or the Roar v Victory game? Yeah that's right, nothing. Keep the comments on here to football related discussion - there's plenty of other places where you can have a sook & crap on about politics
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bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 4:49 PM
BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Jan 2021 4:26 PM

This isnt about numbers and statistics

Australia has a suppression approach. There are 22 million cases world wide bombarding our shorelines every day. Having some enter the community is inevitable, even the new strain, or which there are already 6 in Victoria (by last count I read). We have to learn to live with this. Thats the reality of it. With the strict quarantine measures we have in place, compliance on social distancing and hygiene, awareness programs, compliance with isolation, and small numbers allowing contact tracing, we'll never be in a position we are overrun by this (one botched outbreak aside which was the exception, not the rule). We saw 50 cases in Adelaide, about 180 in Sydney, currently 1 in Brisbane. We saw about 30 or 40 in Tasmania at one stage. Not devastating stuff

The majority (more than half) of cases are asymptomatic which means by the time the patient presents it is already too late. It has been bubbling around for 1-2 weeks and may have passed 2-3 generations. But it is not too late to contact trace, send messages of awareness, and get on top of things before hospital systems are overwhelmed. We cant stop it, but we can control it. Thats why we have a suppression approach

I dont think people here appreciate how difficult they are making life for people by throwing borders shut on a whim, throwing people into lockdown on a whim, rule after rule, restriction after restriction, not even waiting a day to see if things are effective before trying something else. The response is being driven by panic, fear and politics. It is not practical to bounce in and out of complete disruption. The cure can't be worse than the disease and whatever is going on overseas, we shut our borders for a reason

If I had to put a "magic" number on it, I'd say 5 unrelated infected households in a region is declared a hot spot. Restrictions should be containment (nobody allowed to leave or enter without a permit) and reduction of upper threshold of numbers only. As for a definition of an outbreak, it has to be an uncontrollable number of community transmission (stranger to stranger)

This virus move slowly. There is a good 2-3 weeks after the last case before we can say it is definitively eliminated. Rules and restrictions for 5-6 weeks at a time simply isnt sustainable. QLD is in a prepare to act stage. Nothing more

Single figures in cases, go away, another match taken away. Three chins is determined to keep ambushing my sport. Sell your story to the leftie ABC.
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BrisbaneBhoy - 8 Jan 2021 4:26 PM
So..... For all those who feel/believe the steps taken currently is overboard/overreacting due to the current extreme low number of case(s), what is YOUR magic number of cases (and/or deaths) before you believe that these types of steps should be activated/taken by the government(s)??

This isnt about numbers and statistics

Australia has a suppression approach. There are 22 million cases world wide bombarding our shorelines every day. Having some enter the community is inevitable, even the new strain, or which there are already 6 in Victoria (by last count I read). We have to learn to live with this. Thats the reality of it. With the strict quarantine measures we have in place, compliance on social distancing and hygiene, awareness programs, compliance with isolation, and small numbers allowing contact tracing, we'll never be in a position we are overrun by this (one botched outbreak aside which was the exception, not the rule). We saw 50 cases in Adelaide, about 180 in Sydney, currently 1 in Brisbane. We saw about 30 or 40 in Tasmania at one stage. Not devastating stuff

The majority (more than half) of cases are asymptomatic which means by the time the patient presents it is already too late. It has been bubbling around for 1-2 weeks and may have passed 2-3 generations. But it is not too late to contact trace, send messages of awareness, and get on top of things before hospital systems are overwhelmed. We cant stop it, but we can control it. Thats why we have a suppression approach

I dont think people here appreciate how difficult they are making life for people by throwing borders shut on a whim, throwing people into lockdown on a whim, rule after rule, restriction after restriction, not even waiting a day to see if things are effective before trying something else. The response is being driven by panic, fear and politics. It is not practical to bounce in and out of complete disruption. The cure can't be worse than the disease and whatever is going on overseas, we shut our borders for a reason

If I had to put a "magic" number on it, I'd say 5 unrelated* infected households in a region is declared a hot spot. Restrictions should be containment (nobody allowed to leave or enter without a permit) and reduction of upper threshold of numbers only. As for a definition of an outbreak, it has to be an uncontrollable number of community transmission (stranger to stranger)

This virus move slowly. There is a good 2-3 weeks after the last case before we can say it is definitively eliminated. Rules and restrictions for 5-6 weeks at a time simply isnt sustainable. QLD is in a prepare to act stage. Nothing more

*any friends, family, work mates or close contacts - predictable people who are likely to be called into isolation as with Victoria's latest - is a related household and a count of 1
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So..... For all those who feel/believe the steps taken currently is overboard/overreacting due to the current extreme low number of case(s), what is YOUR magic number of cases (and/or deaths) before you believe that these types of steps should be activated/taken by the government(s)??


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Fair play by bluebird he/she explains themselves well and doesn’t get caught up in the emotion of it. 
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These border closures, these state leaders doing what they want because its a pissant constitution ofcourse, has ripped the A League a new one.
So, from me to the leaders, eat shit and get diarrhea mongrels!
That Alsatian with three chins from Qld would Not do this while State of Origin is on.
Do-gooder on this site goodbye, don't post again, not interested in the closures and whats good for me.
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Mello-D - 8 Jan 2021 2:47 PM
SWandP - 8 Jan 2021 2:04 PM

This is important to note. The approach Queensland is taking is the approach that was agreed by the AHPPC if a case of the new UK variant was out and about in the community. The three days gives the contact tracers a lot of time to find out where close contacts have been and put the necessary people in isolation. 

One of the problems with the haphazard lockdowns, restrictions and rules we have seen over the last few months is they become indistinguishable to the general public as to which lockdowns are for fun and which ones are warranted. Like Victorians being mandated to wear masks in all situations for 35 consecutive days without a case, and being thrown back into them because of 3 generation 1 passes to known contacts

People get weary, skeptical and upset over the constant needless hardship and over reaction. You honestly cant blame people for getting emotional and see this as "yet again another fucking lockdown"

If this was a pre planned purposeful agreement that met a threshold then I apologise. I accept I was wrong on this point at least

But the broader premise of my view point stands. Australia need to get a handle on this because there is more to this virus than lockdown and masks. Every single measure, rule and law needs to be backed by substantial medical science and only implemented if it is proven to have a significant effect on driving numbers downwards

If Queensland need 3 days and they have been given 3 days as part of a prior approved agreement then lets see how this unfolds. If this just sets the precedent for lockdowns every time we see the new strain, of which there are already half a dozen in Victorian hotel rooms, then Australia are playing a dangerous game with a public that is currently 90% compliant
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SWandP - 8 Jan 2021 2:04 PM
bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 1:52 PM

Fuckwit after Fuckwit posting their ignorance and hatred.

Absolutely no respect for the familys of the 820 Victorians who died of Covid in the last uncontrolled outbreak.  No respect for the pain and suffering of millions of Victorians that stood and followed the rules and brought that horror to a halt.

Now we face a new and greater threat from a new direction and the callous pieces of shit want to see more death and suffering because somehow a game of football is important.

Even the Trumpist simp that is the Nation's Prime Minister gets it:

'This isn't any ordinary strain'

"I know they will be some in Brisbane today asking 'why is this necessary? There is only one case. '" said Prime Minster Scott Morrison."Well, this isn't any ordinary case."This is a very special case and one that requires us to treat things quite differently until we know more and we will learn much in the next few days.
"What Queenslanders will be doing over the next few days, they will be doing not just for themselves and their own communities, but for the rest of the country.
"So again, I thank you for the patience you will have to show in relation to disruption, we know it causes disruption. But we're also quite short that it is the prudent course action given the circumstances.

This is important to note. The approach Queensland is taking is the approach that was agreed by the AHPPC if a case of the new UK variant was out and about in the community. The three days gives the contact tracers a lot of time to find out where close contacts have been and put the necessary people in isolation. 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 8 Jan 2021 2:32 PM
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Can you take your fake expertise on this somewhere else? 

Write down the opinion I'm allowed to have and I'll sign to it
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bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 2:09 PM
SWandP - 8 Jan 2021 2:04 PM

Never seen somebody narrate their own posting before

Can you take your fake expertise on this somewhere else? 
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SWandP - 8 Jan 2021 2:04 PM
bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 1:52 PM

Fuckwit after Fuckwit posting their ignorance and hatred.

Never seen somebody narrate their own posting before
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bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 1:52 PM
Waz - 8 Jan 2021 1:40 PM

Australia has a suppression strategy, not an elimination strategy. There is 1 fucking case and by the time they get contact tracers out over the next 48 hours they might find 2 or 3. Big deal

The situation is far from dire

I dont think you understand how impractical it is for every major region to yoyo in and out of lockdown everytime there is a case. We have seen this with Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney and now Brisbane. 4 major lockdowns in a 2 month period, with an estimated 12 months before our circumstances change

Panic buying, economic hardship, closures, disruptions to life and sport, inconsistency, fatigue, mental health issues etc...etc...etc...

We have never been in a situation where 1 case has been deemed too overwhelming and worthy of keeping things in check until contact tracers get on top of things. Australia has changed tact and it is the furthest thing from a good response

For 9 months as a Victorian I have been waiting for the day we catch up to the other states. It has become increasingly apparent we're at the standard and you guys are going to come to us

Fuckwit after Fuckwit posting their ignorance and hatred.

Absolutely no respect for the familys of the 820 Victorians who died of Covid in the last uncontrolled outbreak.  No respect for the pain and suffering of millions of Victorians that stood and followed the rules and brought that horror to a halt.

Now we face a new and greater threat from a new direction and the callous pieces of shit want to see more death and suffering because somehow a game of football is important.

Even the Trumpist simp that is the Nation's Prime Minister gets it:

'This isn't any ordinary strain'

"I know they will be some in Brisbane today asking 'why is this necessary? There is only one case. '" said Prime Minster Scott Morrison."Well, this isn't any ordinary case."This is a very special case and one that requires us to treat things quite differently until we know more and we will learn much in the next few days.
"What Queenslanders will be doing over the next few days, they will be doing not just for themselves and their own communities, but for the rest of the country.
"So again, I thank you for the patience you will have to show in relation to disruption, we know it causes disruption. But we're also quite short that it is the prudent course action given the circumstances.

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Waz - 8 Jan 2021 1:40 PM
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This is actually a textbook response and is perfect. It maybe could have been done last night starting today that’s all. 

What it does is put a lid on this thing and buys time to establish where the infections have been started and will give them time to ramp up contact tracing before it blows out of sight. 

Good response. 

Australia has a suppression strategy, not an elimination strategy. There is 1 fucking case and by the time they get contact tracers out over the next 48 hours they might find 2 or 3. Big deal

The situation is far from dire

I dont think you understand how impractical it is for every major region to yoyo in and out of lockdown everytime there is a case. We have seen this with Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney and now Brisbane. 4 major lockdowns in a 2 month period, with an estimated 12 months before our circumstances change

Panic buying, economic hardship, closures, disruptions to life and sport, inconsistency, fatigue, mental health issues etc...etc...etc...

We have never been in a situation where 1 case has been deemed too overwhelming and worthy of keeping things in check until contact tracers get on top of things. Australia has changed tact and it is the furthest thing from a good response

For 9 months as a Victorian I have been waiting for the day we catch up to the other states. It has become increasingly apparent we're at the standard and you guys are going to come to us
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Waz - 8 Jan 2021 1:42 PM
Mello-D - 8 Jan 2021 12:38 PM

.... and because contact tracing has established she moved widely throughout the city on public transport. So they actually can’t target one suburb with testing as they did with the last outbreak. 

So the 2.8 million people who haven't used public transport are still probably not at risk, right? Same goes for the people that weren't actually on her train/bus (unless the new variant has super powers)?

Seems Sydney's contact tracing is able to identify specifci bus routes and train trips so they simply tell those on those servcies to isolate. Brisbane's tracing has narrowed it down to "she moved widely throughout the city on public transport". Magnificant use of technology.

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Roar in me Blood - 8 Jan 2021 12:05 PM
paladisious - 8 Jan 2021 10:49 AM

Hope you didn't pay for flights Pala.

Nah I held off, all good.
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Mello-D - 8 Jan 2021 12:38 PM
aok - 8 Jan 2021 12:26 PM

It's because it's the UK variant. 

.... and because contact tracing has established she moved widely throughout the city on public transport. So they actually can’t target one suburb with testing as they did with the last outbreak. 
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bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 1:18 PM
clockwork orange - 8 Jan 2021 1:07 PM

The good news is this highly contagious virus strain that is an extreme risk is only going to be so for 3 days

Australia have really lost the plot with its response. Ever since the Victorian outbreak, overcautious haphazard rules have become the normal

The WHO specifically said lockdowns arent a mechanism for beating the virus and only serve the purpose of buying time so regions overwhelmed by large numbers have time to get their resources in check. But what do they know?

1 fucking case and a major city is shut down. And we see the standard response of half the city panic buying while the other half try to flee

This is actually a textbook response and is perfect. It maybe could have been done last night starting today that’s all. 

What it does is put a lid on this thing and buys time to establish where the infections have been started and will give them time to ramp up contact tracing before it blows out of sight. 

Good response. 

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I just checked and 206 countries have more than 1 active case
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bluebird2 - 8 Jan 2021 1:18 PM
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The good news is this highly contagious virus strain that is an extreme risk is only going to be so for 3 days

Australia have really lost the plot with its response. Ever since the Victorian outbreak, overcautious haphazard rules have become the normal

The WHO specifically said lockdowns arent a mechanism for beating the virus and only serve the purpose of buying time so regions overwhelmed by large numbers have time to get their resources in check. But what do they know?

1 fucking case and a major city is shut down. And we see the standard response of half the city panic buying while the other half try to flee

The virus isn't contagious until 6pm, so it is quite ok for Brisbanites to flee for the Gold Coast and Sunshine coast before then.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 8 Jan 2021 1:23 PM
Better stock up on dunny paper Brisbane its gonna be a bumpy ride....

I know .... just imagine what restrictions the government will impose if cases double (to 2) by Tuesday? Hardly worth thinking about.

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Better stock up on dunny paper Brisbane its gonna be a bumpy ride....
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clockwork orange - 8 Jan 2021 1:07 PM
Hilarious. One case in 113 days and known to have come from overseas quarantine.  What to do? Do we stop people bringing the virus back to Australia? - No, international flights still coming in - bring it on. But let's shutdown a city of 3 million people. Better still - let's tell people they will be in mortal danger after 6pm tonight so that shopping centres are totally packed for the next 6 hours!! 
But the virus was apparently not contagious yesterday when they first knew of this and in fact is only contagious after 6pm tonight so all good.





The good news is this highly contagious virus strain that is an extreme risk is only going to be so for 3 days

Australia have really lost the plot with its response. Ever since the Victorian outbreak, overcautious haphazard rules have become the normal

The WHO specifically said lockdowns arent a mechanism for beating the virus and only serve the purpose of buying time so regions overwhelmed by large numbers have time to get their resources in check. But what do they know?

1 fucking case and a major city is shut down. And we see the standard response of half the city panic buying while the other half try to flee
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Hilarious. One case in 113 days and known to have come from overseas quarantine.  What to do? Do we stop people bringing the virus back to Australia? - No, international flights still coming in - bring it on. But let's shutdown a city of 3 million people. Better still - let's tell people they will be in mortal danger after 6pm tonight so that shopping centres are totally packed for the next 6 hours!! 
But the virus was apparently not contagious yesterday when they first knew of this and in fact is only contagious after 6pm tonight so all good.





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aok - 8 Jan 2021 12:26 PM
From memory there were more active and new cases in Qld in October when they had the AFL final than what we have today.  Nothing beats the consistency in govt and bureaucratic decision making.

It's because it's the UK variant. 
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From memory there were more active and new cases in Qld in October when they had the AFL final than what we have today.  Nothing beats the consistency in govt and bureaucratic decision making.
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I know the govts. are being ultra cautious here with these lockdowns and border closes but this cant be a reliable solution for 2021, unless the vaccine program is ramped up to the point where the population reaches herd immunity levels.

We need better solutions, by this rate the season won't be complete not by June by later down the track later in the year and this is bad because the of Fox sports contract.


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