Brexit to stop more Aussies playing in UK


Brexit to stop more Aussies playing in UK

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https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/brexit-blues-new-rules-to-block-australian-talent-heading-to-britain



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Poor article. Makes zero mention of the mooted free trade deal between Australia and the UK now that the UK is free to seek its own fee trade deals. If/when a deal is struck this would actually allow for more australian players to move to the UK particularly as it will now be harder for UK clubs to recruit europeans. 
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Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2021 12:29 AM

Poor article. Makes zero mention of the mooted free trade deal between Australia and the UK now that the UK is free to seek its own fee trade deals. If/when a deal is struck this would actually allow for more australian players to move to the UK particularly as it will now be harder for UK clubs to recruit europeans. 

The free trade deal is still hypothetical, may be years away if it does happen, and may not involve open borders.  Brexit is happening right now.  Its entirely appropriate to discuss the impact of Brexit now, and leave the discussion of an Australian/UK free trade deal until there is actually something to discuss.
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Probably emphasises why we need to get our development systems right. Hoping with all the younger players in the A-league we see some good outcomes to reinforce that message, youth has rewards for both club and player. 

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Our KNVB / new curriculum methodology  has done more to keep Aussies out of Europe than any world politics situatuon. 
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jatz - 5 Jan 2021 1:49 AM
Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2021 12:29 AM

The free trade deal is still hypothetical, may be years away if it does happen, and may not involve open borders.  Brexit is happening right now.  Its entirely appropriate to discuss the impact of Brexit now, and leave the discussion of an Australian/UK free trade deal until there is actually something to discuss.

The trade deal is already being formerly negotiated between both parties and has been in the news for months. Here is an article about it on the UK's own government website confirming that they are in the 3rd rd of negotiations (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/negotiations-on-the-uks-future-trading-relationship-with-australia-update--2) and have already developed some texts on different topics. 

As such yes it is entirely inappropriate to fail to make any mention however small of the likely free trade deal. The article contents that Australian players to the UK are basically doomed but in all probability the opposite is true. 



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Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2021 8:22 AM
jatz - 5 Jan 2021 1:49 AM

The trade deal is already being formerly negotiated between both parties and has been in the news for months. Here is an article about it on the UK's own government website confirming that they are in the 3rd rd of negotiations (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/negotiations-on-the-uks-future-trading-relationship-with-australia-update--2) and have already developed some texts on different topics. 

As such yes it is entirely inappropriate to fail to make any mention however small of the likely free trade deal. The article contents that Australian players to the UK are basically doomed but in all probability the opposite is true. 



Ouch! It is not "formerly" negotiated, its "formally" negotiated! I don't like the auto correct, it make a mockery of the English language.
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Footballking55 - 5 Jan 2021 9:10 AM
Bunch of Hacks - 5 Jan 2021 8:22 AM

Ouch! It is not "formerly" negotiated, its "formally" negotiated! I don't like the auto correct, it make a mockery of the English language.

"...it makeS a mockery of..."
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Davide82 - 5 Jan 2021 9:35 AM
Footballking55 - 5 Jan 2021 9:10 AM

"...it makeS a mockery of..."

well spotted.


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This might be harsh to say but playing in the UK is not the be all end all as it's made out to be, there are plenty of quality leagues in the continent whilst learning a different and language as well.

Plus the football that's played is better too.
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Barca4Life - 5 Jan 2021 11:22 AM
This might be harsh to say but playing in the UK is not the be all end all as it's made out to be, there are plenty of quality leagues in the continent whilst learning a different and language as well.

Plus the football that's played is better too.

True
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Isn’t free trade deal related to tarifa of imports and exports not freedom of movement or people?

It will still be harder I think. Before any EU passport was okay. Now just a UK passport. From what the article says going to be hard to jumó straight from the AL. Maybe this will force more people to the second tier leagues in Europe first. Rather than EPL youth squads and league 1. 
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Brexit will stop lots of people playing in the UK not just Australia. Not exactly news. If visas and trade are harder to do, pretty basic concept.
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It just means players will go to Europe instead, make a name for themselves then go the UK. Personally i would prefer our players go to smaller leagues like Belgium and do really well (and potentially playing UEL/UCL) as opposed to spending their entire careers in the lower divisions in England, going to the continent instead of the lower divisions of england worked wonders for wilkshire for example

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TimmyJ - 5 Jan 2021 2:18 PM
Isn’t free trade deal related to tarifa of imports and exports not freedom of movement or people?

It will still be harder I think. Before any EU passport was okay. Now just a UK passport. From what the article says going to be hard to jumó straight from the AL. Maybe this will force more people to the second tier leagues in Europe first. Rather than EPL youth squads and league 1. 

Depends on whats negotiated but usually its both. 
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Nunya - 5 Jan 2021 4:04 PM
Brexit will stop lots of people playing in the UK not just Australia. Not exactly news. If visas and trade are harder to do, pretty basic concept.

Yep. Previously it was easier for any European to play in the UK than for any Australian without a Euro passport.  After Brexit, every Australian will be in the same position as every non-UK citizen. Any Australians who hold UK citizenship will now find it easier than the vast majority of Europeans.
So the only Aussies disadvantaged at all are those with Euro (but not UK) passports.

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pretty sure they working on new visa system for Aussie/UK, to be make much easier to migrate similar to NZ.

Will help in the long run if it goes ahead.
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jas88 - 8 Jan 2021 8:24 PM
pretty sure they working on new visa system for Aussie/UK, to be make much easier to migrate similar to NZ.

Will help in the long run if it goes ahead.

This ^ 100%. 

I actually think this is going to be a massive win for Australian football. Will make it attractive for English clubs to start looking at young aussies. Just need to get rid of the age cap. 
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https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/dec/01/gbe-points-based-system-launched-011220


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Bunch of Hacks - 7 Jan 2021 1:57 AM
TimmyJ - 5 Jan 2021 2:18 PM

Depends on whats negotiated but usually its both. 

Off the top of my head we currently have free trade agreements with China, USA and Korea. None of these includes freedom of movement of people. 

I’m not saying it won’t happen but I don’t believe it will be anytime soon. 

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The Chinese Super League has snuck into Band 5, alongside the Slovenian league.

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The W league, though, is in Band 1 alongside the NWSL and the top European leagues!
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bettega - 7 Apr 2021 8:52 AM
The Chinese Super League has snuck into Band 5, alongside the Slovenian league.

Did i read that right, the CSL is the only asian league listed - ahead of the J and K leagues??!

Corrupt much?
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JonoMV - 5 Jan 2021 7:53 AM
Our KNVB / new curriculum methodology  has done more to keep Aussies out of Europe than any world politics situatuon. 

If you analyse the A L using specific football performance criteria, the league and Australian football has improved out of  site since 2006.

If you dug up videos of the A L in 2006 and compared them to now, one would observe:

*In the four main moments of the game, in 2006 the ball  would have been in the Defensive and Attacking Transitions a lot more than the present. The play was in transitional phases more, because of lack of team ability to keep the ball. Now when A L teams have possession they maintain possession for much longer periods of time. Teams in the AL struggled to maintain possession in 2006. This was an objective of the FFA NC. 

* The handling speed of individual players has increased markedly. Handling speed means the ability of players to receive the ball and pass it on as quickly as possible.  Increased handling speed is particularly apparent in the younger players just starting in the A L. Consequently, the speed of A L teams ball circulation has increased.  These were aims of the KNVB /French/German/Spanish National Curriculum from FFA Tech Dept.

* More players perceive the A L as a viable career pathway than the older NSL, hence, they were much keener to play overseas prior to the inception A L.

* More young players  are more two often two footed and can play on both  sides of the body more proficiently than 2006 and prior. Think of two footedness and two sided players- Tim Cahill, Jamey Maclaren, Mark Milligan, Carl Valeri. There are many more young Aussie players with these attributes in present times. Another FFA NC objective.

* The naive tactical insights that Aussies had in Pim's tenure, and frustrated him, have improved immeasurably in the A L. There are not much closer distances between the lines in teams, and more ideal distancing within the lines too. Current players need less time and space to play the ball conformably and maintain possession than in the past - which has been  another objective of the FFA NC.
There are clearly defined strategies for teams to play in Ball Possession, Pall Possession Opposition, Defensive Transition, Attacking Transition in the A L. Aussie players under the revamped curriculum, are as good as any overseas in terms of insight, communication and tactical acumen. Another FFA NC objective.

* To rate Australian players by which European clubs they played for, can be flawed as an indicator to determine success. In the era where Aussie played in more big clubs overseas from about 1991 to 2005, our supposed Eurostars did not have the same cohesion as our current national team Socceroo units, because they didn't qualify for any World Cups in this period. Tactically, national Socceroo teams were naive in the big moments of games.

* At  the  second last World Cup, Stan Collymore, stated how the English Football Association, were staggered with how well Australian National teams performed in international football, compered to the status of the leagues the individual Aussies played in.
They actually paid homage to the Aus system of  Under 16s, Under 20s and Under 23s being used as a platform for development. The English FA boffins determined that the uniform game plans through the age groups, meant Aussie players were used to following a sequential game plan from Under 16 upwards. This has equated to punching above our weight.  



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