More bad news for australia on the league rankings front


More bad news for australia on the league rankings front

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Waz - 26 Feb 2021 1:51 PM
heyitsrobbie1984 - 26 Feb 2021 12:56 PM

Travel is paid for by the AFC 

It’s only 20k per game from memory. Unless it went up. I don’t think that would get you far. 
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TimmyJ - 27 Feb 2021 7:29 AM
Waz - 26 Feb 2021 1:51 PM

It’s only 20k per game from memory. Unless it went up. I don’t think that would get you far. 

Might cover the airfares for the 11 starters.

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huddo - 26 Feb 2021 9:40 PM
heyitsrobbie1984 - 26 Feb 2021 9:25 PM

Who cares, as long as we fuck em in WC Quals were not. They can keep there 50 k a game. We get to the WC and it's worth alot more than the 5.5 million the winner accumulates.

its good in the short term but its got going to help develop player,

however, the money can be spend on developing players, and football infrastructure, required to get to the top.

id rather have a full functioning league, than go to the world cup just to make the numbers.
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heyitsrobbie1984 - 27 Feb 2021 6:22 PM
huddo - 26 Feb 2021 9:40 PM

its good in the short term but its got going to help develop player,

however, the money can be spend on developing players, and football infrastructure, required to get to the top.

id rather have a full functioning league, than go to the world cup just to make the numbers.

So you'd rather be China...?
I'd rather be at the big dance myself. Knowing the feeling of 32 years without it, id always chose the WC, gotta be in it to win it.
As for making up the numbers the Dutch so far are just making up the numbers, they've never won it, the same with the whole continents of Asia, North America,and Africa,and most of Europe and South America. But the money and interest accumulated from these WC forays out strips what the ACL could achieve a hundred to one


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huddo - 27 Feb 2021 10:29 PM
heyitsrobbie1984 - 27 Feb 2021 6:22 PM

So you'd rather be China...?
I'd rather be at the big dance myself. Knowing the feeling of 32 years without it, id always chose the WC, gotta be in it to win it.
As for making up the numbers the Dutch so far are just making up the numbers, they've never won it, the same with the whole continents of Asia, North America,and Africa,and most of Europe and South America. But the money and interest accumulated from these WC forays out strips what the ACL could achieve a hundred to one


Holland may be a poor example to prove your point.  They have played 3 WC finals, won a European Championship in 88, have produced easily 4 or 5 of the top 20 best players of all time, have a fully tiered, fully functioning football system with  pro leagues and 8 or 9 amature national leagues under that all linked by pro/ rel...  teams that generally do well in Euefa comps,  I wouldnt say they are just making up the numbers. Us on the other hand....... maybe we should not worry too much about the 3 televised Socceroos games we loose every 4 years now and in and try and improve the actual sport as a whole??
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Even beyond the Australian perspective, something is wrong when North Korea and Vietnam can get nearly enough points by competing in the AFC Cup as South Korea have got from being in the ACL (where they have not done too badly in general). On the upside, if A-League clubs start racking up a few wins there then we can presumably catapult back into the top tier sides. Our goal at the moment needs to be to get back to being a top-four East Asian country, which would give us 2+2 slots (although the A-League would need to expand to at least 14 teams to access these slots).
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huddo - 27 Feb 2021 10:29 PM
heyitsrobbie1984 - 27 Feb 2021 6:22 PM

So you'd rather be China...?
I'd rather be at the big dance myself. Knowing the feeling of 32 years without it, id always chose the WC, gotta be in it to win it.
As for making up the numbers the Dutch so far are just making up the numbers, they've never won it, the same with the whole continents of Asia, North America,and Africa,and most of Europe and South America. But the money and interest accumulated from these WC forays out strips what the ACL could achieve a hundred to one


yeah id rather be china. cash is king.
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huddo - 27 Feb 2021 10:29 PM

Holland may be a poor example to prove your point.  They have played 3 WC finals, won a European Championship in 88, have produced easily 4 or 5 of the top 20 best players of all time, have a fully tiered, fully functioning football system with  pro leagues and 8 or 9 amature national leagues under that all linked by pro/ rel...  teams that generally do well in Euefa comps,  I wouldnt say they are just making up the numbers. Us on the other hand....... maybe we should not worry too much about the 3 televised Socceroos games we loose every 4 years now and in and try and improve the actual sport as a whole??

Yeah but they've never won it, and therefore are just making up the numbers.
The Dutch have not automatic entries in to Uefa champions league, but still compete. Their lack of an automatic entry makes a farce of Champions league.


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Maybe we should tell the world to implement a salary cap to make it fair for us...seriously the sooner we go open slather (or close to it) the sooner we can mature as a football nation, its fine for now with Covid but in the long term it won't help us improve internationally. 
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huddo - 28 Feb 2021 6:49 AM
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Yeah but they've never won it, and therefore are just making up the numbers.
The Dutch have not automatic entries in to Uefa champions league, but still compete. Their lack of an automatic entry makes a farce of Champions league.


Thats naive about the dutch, if we could have developed the same level of world class like they have done for the last 30 years then we would be extremely happy here.

The reason why they are not strong in the UCL and Europa is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the dutch are more than happy to be an development league to sell their best players over to them.
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Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 10:47 AM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 6:49 AM

The reason why they are not strong in the UCL and Europa is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the dutch are more than happy to be an development league to sell their best players over to them.

So like Australia then.
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huddo - 28 Feb 2021 10:54 AM
Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 10:47 AM

So like Australia then.

I don’t know how you are comparing Australia with Holland?
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Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:37 PM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 10:54 AM

I don’t know how you are comparing Australia with Holland?

The statement made:

The reason why they are not strong in the UCL and Europa is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the dutch are more than happy to be an development league to sell their best players over to them.

The statement as a comparable:

The reason why they are not strong in the ACL and AFC Cup is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the Australians are more than happy to be a development league to sell their best players over to them.

It sounds pretty comparable.
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huddo - 28 Feb 2021 12:54 PM
Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:37 PM

The statement made:

The reason why they are not strong in the UCL and Europa is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the dutch are more than happy to be an development league to sell their best players over to them.

The statement as a comparable:

The reason why they are not strong in the ACL and AFC Cup is because of the money from other countries whom could attract better players and the Australians are more than happy to be a development league to sell their best players over to them.

It sounds pretty comparable.

That’s a fair point but I’ll ask this question why does the aleague have a salary cap and the eredivisie doesn’t? 
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Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:59 PM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 12:54 PM

That’s a fair point but I’ll ask this question why does the aleague have a salary cap and the eredivisie doesn’t? 

and  the  F.A  think  it it  is  ok to now  REDUCING   the  Salery cap.  Can  you  beleive  it ?!
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Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:59 PM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 12:54 PM

That’s a fair point but I’ll ask this question why does the aleague have a salary cap and the eredivisie doesn’t? 

Because around 20 years ago the most popularly played sport in Australia almost ceased to have a national competion, and the independent government report commissioned (The Crawford report) stated one of the main issues for the collapse of the NSL, was that most team's were not financial sustainable. The salary cap allows this not to be the case. Unless you think the end days of NSL was a great result.
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huddo - 28 Feb 2021 2:00 PM
Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:59 PM

Because around 20 years ago the most popularly played sport in Australia almost ceased to have a national competion, and the independent government report commissioned (The Crawford report) stated one of the main issues for the collapse of the NSL, was that most team's were not financial sustainable. The salary cap allows this not to be the case. Unless you think the end days of NSL was a great result.

Nice way to dance around the question but does the Eredivisie like say Holland and Australia are similar? Ill give you the answer its not.

The Netherlands has a fully functioned league structure containing 1st and 2nd division along with a amatuer division ie. like the NPL which is national and regional.

They dont have a salary cap, except they have exemptions for a foreign quota if they fill the criteria but go along with FFP with the rest of Europe.

They also have a functional youth system which develop world class talent whom go to higher level leagues in Europe from the eredivisie which profit from.

Im not sure our answers lie on a report from 20 years ago when the landscape has changed quite significantly. 
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huddo - 28 Feb 2021 2:00 PM
Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 12:59 PM

Because around 20 years ago the most popularly played sport in Australia almost ceased to have a national competion, and the independent government report commissioned (The Crawford report) stated one of the main issues for the collapse of the NSL, was that most team's were not financial sustainable. The salary cap allows this not to be the case. Unless you think the end days of NSL was a great result.

That depends on whether you think enforcing mediocrity that means our clubs can never be competitive in Asia is worth the eliminating the risk.  Personally, I don't.  
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CS - 28 Feb 2021 2:10 PM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 2:00 PM

That depends on whether you think enforcing mediocrity that means our clubs can never be competitive in Asia is worth the eliminating the risk.  Personally, I don't.  

But we are competitive even with in the ACL, we've one it once and been runners up once, In the same time China the richest league have had 3 contenders every year, have only won 2. 
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Barca4Life - 28 Feb 2021 2:08 PM
huddo - 28 Feb 2021 2:00 PM

Nice way to dance around the question but does the Eredivisie like say Holland and Australia are similar? Ill give you the answer its not.

The Netherlands has a fully functioned league structure containing 1st and 2nd division along with a amatuer division ie. like the NPL which is national and regional.

They dont have a salary cap, except they have exemptions for a foreign quota if they fill the criteria but go along with FFP with the rest of Europe.

They also have a functional youth system which develop world class talent whom go to higher level leagues in Europe from the eredivisie which profit from.

Im not sure our answers lie on a report from 20 years ago when the landscape has changed quite significantly. 

Ffs 1, it's not Holland, it's the Netherlands, you don't call Australia, NSW.
And I'm not dancing around anything, our position in the ACL, is near identical to theirs in uefa, just because you think they don't see the comparison because you can't doesn't mean shit.
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And that report 20 years ago along with lowy saved football in this country.
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