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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Unlike 200 odd countries the Aleague is a continental competition spanding the vastness of Australaisa (same goes for MLS for it CanadIan Clubs) WE ARE NOT A NATIONAL COMPETITION considering AL is modeled on MLS franchise system bit hard to try using it as a example of why that system is OK. With regards to distance that's such a lame excuse, Russia is bigger and wider and has full P/R so if they can manage why cant we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_post_Soviet_Russia#League_system  Australia is 0.45 times as big as Russia Russia,or the Russian Federation, is a transcontinental country located in Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. It extends from the Baltic Sea in the west to the Pacific Ocean in the east, and from the Arctic Ocean in the north to the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the south. Russia, the largest country by area,covers over 17,125,200 square kilometres (6,612,100 sq mi),spanning more than one-eighth of the Earth’s inhabited land area, stretching eleven time zones, and bordering 16 sovereign nations.
Correct me if I'm wrong the Russians don't include the east in there premier league, the longest distance in play is around 2000 km between Sochi and Ural, I may be off by a hundred if Zenit is further, the distance from Sydney to Perth is over 3200 km. Learn your league's. Pffft, what an amateur, learn to research proprly before pretending you know what you are talking about. Russian side Baltika Kaliningrad travel 13,000-miles for longest away match trip in world at Luch Vladivostok, taking handful of fans… to watch a 0-0 drawLuch-Energiya travelled nearly 6,500miles each way bore the bore draw in the second tier of Russian football at the weekend https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3134727/russian-side-travel-13000-miles-for-goalless-draw/ Luch no longer exists, believe it of not, they failed because of financial instability. also may be good to point out that they failed after a prolonged run in the national second tier. So we'll done you found a team that proves my point. You making shit up just proves your point is stoopid, Luch is still kicking and was still playing in 2020 although covid has impacted them like all of Russian football. Also note how many times they have been promoted to 1st div. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Luch_Vladivostok Also look at the fact they no longer exist. Irrespective the point remains that it could and can be done glass half empty bloke. As stated, it has been SKA, with state backing and a company worth 80 billion a year backing it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Unlike 200 odd countries the Aleague is a continental competition spanding the vastness of Australaisa (same goes for MLS for it CanadIan Clubs) WE ARE NOT A NATIONAL COMPETITION considering AL is modeled on MLS franchise system bit hard to try using it as a example of why that system is OK. With regards to distance that's such a lame excuse, Russia is bigger and wider and has full P/R so if they can manage why cant we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_post_Soviet_Russia#League_system Australia is 0.45 times as big as Russia Russia,or the Russian Federation, is a transcontinental country located in Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. It extends from the Baltic Sea in the west to the Pacific Ocean in the east, and from the Arctic Ocean in the north to the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the south. Russia, the largest country by area,covers over 17,125,200 square kilometres (6,612,100 sq mi),spanning more than one-eighth of the Earth’s inhabited land area, stretching eleven time zones, and bordering 16 sovereign nations.
Correct me if I'm wrong the Russians don't include the east in there premier league, the longest distance in play is around 2000 km between Sochi and Ural, I may be off by a hundred if Zenit is further, the distance from Sydney to Perth is over 3200 km. Learn your league's. Pffft, what an amateur, learn to research proprly before pretending you know what you are talking about. Russian side Baltika Kaliningrad travel 13,000-miles for longest away match trip in world at Luch Vladivostok, taking handful of fans… to watch a 0-0 drawLuch-Energiya travelled nearly 6,500miles each way bore the bore draw in the second tier of Russian football at the weekend https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3134727/russian-side-travel-13000-miles-for-goalless-draw/ Luch no longer exists, believe it of not, they failed because of financial instability. also may be good to point out that they failed after a prolonged run in the national second tier. So we'll done you found a team that proves my point. You making shit up just proves your point is stoopid, Luch is still kicking and was still playing in 2020 although covid has impacted them like all of Russian football. Also note how many times they have been promoted to 1st div. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Luch_Vladivostok Also look at the fact they no longer exist. Irrespective the point remains that it could and can be done glass half empty bloke. As stated, it has been SKA, with state backing and a company worth 80 billion a year backing it. The 'state backing' would be the travel grant.
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+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy.
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+x+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy. That's gate takings without food and drink, without corporates, without sponsors and without a (probably small) media component. Not to mention merch, poker machine income and the big one transfer fees or sell on fees. I'm sure there's other income streams too. A cut price outfit playing in the second div could probably do it on less than $2 million a season. So yeah. Throw up all the road blocks you want and say why this won't work or try and think about how it could. Because at the end of the day the A League is dying. Only someone wilfully oblivious would not admit that. Maybe we should sign Zlatan for the Jets, that'd do it?
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The govt spent 100s of millions on the AFL - building stadiums to get the game to where it is. They could throw us a friggen bone to launch a unified comp,.
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Snaffled from Twitter... Fair play to Florentino Pérez. He said modern attention spans were getting shorter, looked at the 123-year-old Football League, realised that wouldn't do, and devised a competition that was done and dusted 48 hours after it began.
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+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine.
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+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine. your right they are such great examples. Americans quote many times they have a World Series lol..... They are not a good example at all to compare with global football. Your quick google search tells you Football origins Records trace the history back more than 2,000 years ago to ancient China. Greece, Rome, and parts of Central America also claim to have started the sport; but it was England that transitioned soccer, or what the British and many other people around the world call “football,” into the game we know today. Forget the yanks, all they get is Malls/Amazon/Franchise's in food sport almost most things. I can imagine your avatar/Jose would puke and have a snarl by your post :)
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+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine. They have supporters who are happy to watch meaningless games Unfortunately for the A-League, they don't But hey, let's wait til 2034 and maybe have a discussion then
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd what would be the criteria for promotion ? Merit ? Wealth ? Geographical ? It would end up a primarily NSW/ VIC league IMHO. I am a PRO/REL fan, but think this country is too big and divided for that. Merit and only merit. Are you upset because London has 6 teams in the EPL? If anything this would only make pro rel more exciting. Imagine little old Freemantle FC or whoever getting promoted into the league with the 'scummers' from the east. I don not give two fucks for the EPL, but i do for the the A league. This fantasy you have will not happen in your lifetime. Australians in general are not interested in second division sports. '"Scummers " how old are you ? The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th divisions already exist. All that's missing is the link between them and the top tier. Besides any of that if you care for the A-league you'll realise something needs to be done and done shortly because it's on it's last legs and not working in the current format. Macarthur Bulls? WTF?! Who are they and how many go to their games? Ditto Western United. I couldn't even tell you without thinking hard about it where these 2 clubs are based. And I follow the A-league. How many people are watching it on TV? How many are attending (pre-covid)? It's dying. If we live in a fantasy world because we want a proper football pyramid then you live in a parallel one where the A-League is all sunshine and lollipops. The divisions you speak of are not national divisions are they ? So we just have state play offs to reach the top ? Where is the money and supporters coming from, Frank has left the building and we don't have rich sugar daddies queueing up to invest. If people are not viewing now, how are you going to change that in THIS country ? The divisions are in place and with just a tweak they could be national. Nobody even needs to watch the NSD on TV. It's not a barrier for the league to exist. If people watch it, great. If they don't they don't. As for the money I'll quote myself. As for crowds of 3000 at home grounds for former NSL clubs. (And remember a lot of them own their own grounds.)
Imagine those 3000 attendees paying $10 a ticket per match.
That's 30k in revenue a week. (Excluding food and drink.) Let's assume there's 15 home matches. That's $450 000 revenue before even signing a sponsor. So that is the second division money ? I don't think that you would be able to compete on less than $5 million per year. Remember you have two teams plus staff plus ground hire, air fares and accommodation amongst other things to consider. It ain't cheap. How are Aleague clubs managing to survive o less than that with 4 times the "professional expenses" .. Seriously curious as to why you would expect an NSD club to spend double what the Newcastle Jets spend a season? The 5million is to run an A league team, not a semi pro team, but i expect you already knew that ! BTW how much do the Jets spend on the whole operation per year, not just the playing squad ?
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+x+x+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy. That's gate takings without food and drink, without corporates, without sponsors and without a (probably small) media component. Not to mention merch, poker machine income and the big one transfer fees or sell on fees. I'm sure there's other income streams too. A cut price outfit playing in the second div could probably do it on less than $2 million a season. So yeah. Throw up all the road blocks you want and say why this won't work or try and think about how it could. Because at the end of the day the A League is dying. Only someone wilfully oblivious would not admit that. Maybe we should sign Zlatan for the Jets, that'd do it? Sorry, but how many A league clubs have their own licensed venues with poker machines ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd what would be the criteria for promotion ? Merit ? Wealth ? Geographical ? It would end up a primarily NSW/ VIC league IMHO. I am a PRO/REL fan, but think this country is too big and divided for that. Merit and only merit. Are you upset because London has 6 teams in the EPL? If anything this would only make pro rel more exciting. Imagine little old Freemantle FC or whoever getting promoted into the league with the 'scummers' from the east. I don not give two fucks for the EPL, but i do for the the A league. This fantasy you have will not happen in your lifetime. Australians in general are not interested in second division sports. '"Scummers " how old are you ? The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th divisions already exist. All that's missing is the link between them and the top tier. Besides any of that if you care for the A-league you'll realise something needs to be done and done shortly because it's on it's last legs and not working in the current format. Macarthur Bulls? WTF?! Who are they and how many go to their games? Ditto Western United. I couldn't even tell you without thinking hard about it where these 2 clubs are based. And I follow the A-league. How many people are watching it on TV? How many are attending (pre-covid)? It's dying. If we live in a fantasy world because we want a proper football pyramid then you live in a parallel one where the A-League is all sunshine and lollipops. The divisions you speak of are not national divisions are they ? So we just have state play offs to reach the top ? Where is the money and supporters coming from, Frank has left the building and we don't have rich sugar daddies queueing up to invest. If people are not viewing now, how are you going to change that in THIS country ? The divisions are in place and with just a tweak they could be national. Nobody even needs to watch the NSD on TV. It's not a barrier for the league to exist. If people watch it, great. If they don't they don't. As for the money I'll quote myself. As for crowds of 3000 at home grounds for former NSL clubs. (And remember a lot of them own their own grounds.)
Imagine those 3000 attendees paying $10 a ticket per match.
That's 30k in revenue a week. (Excluding food and drink.) Let's assume there's 15 home matches. That's $450 000 revenue before even signing a sponsor. So that is the second division money ? I don't think that you would be able to compete on less than $5 million per year. Remember you have two teams plus staff plus ground hire, air fares and accommodation amongst other things to consider. It ain't cheap. How are Aleague clubs managing to survive o less than that with 4 times the "professional expenses" .. Seriously curious as to why you would expect an NSD club to spend double what the Newcastle Jets spend a season? The 5million is to run an A league team, not a semi pro team, but i expect you already knew that ! BTW how much do the Jets spend on the whole operation per year, not just the playing squad ? I thought we were talking about a Second Divison? Sorry If I misunderstood you
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+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine. I agree, rather than blindly following the American sporto-tainment model here with Aleague, why dont we do something groundbreaking and look to the other 250 odd football associations around the world. Stuck in a rut thinking has led to 17 years of doing the same thing over and over again to rapidly diminishing return.... Some wise old dude once said that if you repeat your actions expecting a different result every time you are a f@cking idiot.
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+x+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine. They have supporters who are happy to watch meaningless games Unfortunately for the A-League, they don't But hey, let's wait til 2034 and maybe have a discussion then Also which other countries is the MLB/NFL/NBA developing players for to compete against?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy. That's gate takings without food and drink, without corporates, without sponsors and without a (probably small) media component. Not to mention merch, poker machine income and the big one transfer fees or sell on fees. I'm sure there's other income streams too. A cut price outfit playing in the second div could probably do it on less than $2 million a season. So yeah. Throw up all the road blocks you want and say why this won't work or try and think about how it could. Because at the end of the day the A League is dying. Only someone wilfully oblivious would not admit that. Maybe we should sign Zlatan for the Jets, that'd do it? Sorry, but how many A league clubs have their own licensed venues with poker machines ? How many AL clubs have their own anything to turn a quid from?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Unlike 200 odd countries the Aleague is a continental competition spanding the vastness of Australaisa (same goes for MLS for it CanadIan Clubs) WE ARE NOT A NATIONAL COMPETITION considering AL is modeled on MLS franchise system bit hard to try using it as a example of why that system is OK. With regards to distance that's such a lame excuse, Russia is bigger and wider and has full P/R so if they can manage why cant we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_post_Soviet_Russia#League_system Australia is 0.45 times as big as Russia Russia,or the Russian Federation, is a transcontinental country located in Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. It extends from the Baltic Sea in the west to the Pacific Ocean in the east, and from the Arctic Ocean in the north to the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the south. Russia, the largest country by area,covers over 17,125,200 square kilometres (6,612,100 sq mi),spanning more than one-eighth of the Earth’s inhabited land area, stretching eleven time zones, and bordering 16 sovereign nations.
Correct me if I'm wrong the Russians don't include the east in there premier league, the longest distance in play is around 2000 km between Sochi and Ural, I may be off by a hundred if Zenit is further, the distance from Sydney to Perth is over 3200 km. Learn your league's. Pffft, what an amateur, learn to research proprly before pretending you know what you are talking about. Russian side Baltika Kaliningrad travel 13,000-miles for longest away match trip in world at Luch Vladivostok, taking handful of fans… to watch a 0-0 drawLuch-Energiya travelled nearly 6,500miles each way bore the bore draw in the second tier of Russian football at the weekend https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3134727/russian-side-travel-13000-miles-for-goalless-draw/ Luch no longer exists, believe it of not, they failed because of financial instability. also may be good to point out that they failed after a prolonged run in the national second tier. So we'll done you found a team that proves my point. You making shit up just proves your point is stoopid, Luch is still kicking and was still playing in 2020 although covid has impacted them like all of Russian football. Also note how many times they have been promoted to 1st div. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Luch_Vladivostok Also look at the fact they no longer exist. Who says they don't exist? They have just joined the amateur league due to covid and there being no money. But here's the beauty of P/R, they can work their way back up the pyramid via merit, like they have in the past.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy. That's gate takings without food and drink, without corporates, without sponsors and without a (probably small) media component. Not to mention merch, poker machine income and the big one transfer fees or sell on fees. I'm sure there's other income streams too. A cut price outfit playing in the second div could probably do it on less than $2 million a season. So yeah. Throw up all the road blocks you want and say why this won't work or try and think about how it could. Because at the end of the day the A League is dying. Only someone wilfully oblivious would not admit that. Maybe we should sign Zlatan for the Jets, that'd do it? Sorry, but how many A league clubs have their own licensed venues with poker machines ? None but we're talking about second division clubs aren't we? And I notice you fixated on one income stream and ignored every other one. Bravo.
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A few years back I had the opportunity to go watch an FFA cup game at the Canberra Deakin ground, I'm not sure what they call themselves these days but once upon a time they were Deakin Croatia. They own a wonderful club house in Deakin, a fairly central part of Canberra, in fact, not too far away from Parliament House. The clubhouse is right next to their home ground. They own that as well, or at least have a long term lease on it.
I'm guessing other clubs around Australia have similar set ups.
All these clubs are currently denied the possibllity of dreaming big and progressing, despite sitting on some fantastic facilities.
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+xA few years back I had the opportunity to go watch an FFA cup game at the Canberra Deakin ground, I'm not sure what they call themselves these days but once upon a time they were Deakin Croatia. They own a wonderful club house in Deakin, a fairly central part of Canberra, in fact, not too far away from Parliament House. The clubhouse is right next to their home ground. They own that as well, or at least have a long term lease on it. I'm guessing other clubs around Australia have similar set ups. All these clubs are currently denied the possibllity of dreaming big and progressing, despite sitting on some fantastic facilities. here here mate, plenty NPL Clubs can manage being in the NSD upon meeting the other criteria's set down. So many negatives always - no wonder we can't get anywhere especially by a fan/supporters pov. We just saw the outcry of the ESL - supporters stood together and got heard. Huge kudos to the German Clubs and PSG who wouldn't have a bar of it........ A portion of Club owners are the cancer even without Franchise agreements. Says it all, tradition lives on !
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSo we should kick Perth out of the HAL and let the pyramid work? Distance is a major issue, money is the key issue, SKA in the Russian second division is comparable to Perth, the difference is SKA, it owned partially by the provence, and partially by a 80 billion dollar a year business, as stated before distance is an issue If you don't have money. Already proved money for travel is not an issue either via gate takings, sponsorship, full or partial grant. If you care to take your head out of your arse you'd see it's eminently doable. 450k gate takings. Plus sponsorship for a grants, for a competion with little to no exposure, And an expected annual running cost of 2.5 to 3.3 million. I think we need another frank Lowy. That's gate takings without food and drink, without corporates, without sponsors and without a (probably small) media component. Not to mention merch, poker machine income and the big one transfer fees or sell on fees. I'm sure there's other income streams too. A cut price outfit playing in the second div could probably do it on less than $2 million a season. So yeah. Throw up all the road blocks you want and say why this won't work or try and think about how it could. Because at the end of the day the A League is dying. Only someone wilfully oblivious would not admit that. Maybe we should sign Zlatan for the Jets, that'd do it? Sorry, but how many A league clubs have their own licensed venues with poker machines ? None but we're talking about second division clubs aren't we? And I notice you fixated on one income stream and ignored every other one. Bravo. Fixated because you were talking rubbish.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xGoing to ask a simple question here and see what the resident brains trusts have to say. IF pro rel can work in 200 odd countries why do you not think it couldn't work here? Huddo can start. Resident brains trust happy to answer your question: For a small league where many of the clubs are not endowed with strong financial roots, you can see that a club might not survive long if they take a financial hit. We've seen how small A-League clubs have been affected by the Covid downturn. Some clubs had to ask players to take a pay cut just to survive. Now, when an A-League club gets relegated, that is a financial hit. Do you think there will be clubs that cannot make long term investments if they are going to be relegated, and stay relegated for a long time? I think many A-League clubs may not have the financial reserves to survive long term stints in the second division. Being part of the "brains trust", I imagine that this is a massive reason why a promotion relegation system was never implemented in the first place. Are you aware of any sports league that was started from scratch, and started life immediately as a promotion-relegation league? As part of the brains trust are you perhaps aware that there are dozens if not hundreds of leagues around the world where the clubs involved have even smaller financial reserves than in Australia. Alot of these leagues are even younger than yours.. How old do you think the Serbian or Croatian league are for example, yet they started 30 odd years ago (I assume) from day dot with multiple divisions and pro/rel... If not from the very first season at least very soon after. Lots of leagues start from scratch only difference is they don't ignore every single existing soccer club in their country and start phoney baloney plastic franchises in every city to fleece the dopey investors... even ESL wasn't that money hungry.... In terms of exploring options - rather than being stuck in a rut thinking there is only one solution - we note that in America, the NBA basketball and MLB baseball do not have promotion relegation, and they seem to operate just fine. They have supporters who are happy to watch meaningless games Unfortunately for the A-League, they don't But hey, let's wait til 2034 and maybe have a discussion then Also which other countries is the MLB/NFL/NBA developing players for to compete against? Olympic Basketball is the biggest thing ever , didn't you know ?
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Richard Scudamore - A-League Advisor "I cannot explain why any of them thought it was a good idea.
I am the person who had been telling them for years it was a crazy idea and could not happen.
What's happened in the last week is that it's been stopped and that's the right thing.
Anyone who knows me would know I found this completely unacceptable."
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+xRichard Scudamore - A-League Advisor "I cannot explain why any of them thought it was a good idea.
I am the person who had been telling them for years it was a crazy idea and could not happen.
What's happened in the last week is that it's been stopped and that's the right thing.
Anyone who knows me would know I found this completely unacceptable." Hahaha what a chump.... I would love to have been a fly on the wall listening to his "conversations" ..... "We've convinced the feebs in Australia and US that they have to have a closed shop super league... and they all seem very excited about the whole thing... of course it will work in Europe we just have to throw more money at it"
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More trouble from the Ethnics Bloody Eurosnobs don't recognise a good comp when they see it 
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+xThe govt spent 100s of millions on the AFL - building stadiums to get the game to where it is. They could throw us a friggen bone to launch a unified comp,. Frustrating isn't it? Governments spend heaps of money on a sport with no relevance outside Australia. I would have thought after the inception of the A L 16 years ago, and definitely for the subsequent 3-5 years, that football would've been a much bigger sport in Aus that it currently has in 2021.
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Alex Ferguson "the real reason for football is that the smallest guy can climb to the top of Everest... we can't do without that".
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World football?
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