'Whataboutism' is the bane of internet interaction. 

Plenty here in that group.

Add to that all the people who dropped Fox/Kayo because they were financially effected due to job losses (or reduced hours/pay). I know quite a few people (especially down here in Melbourne) that dropped their subscriptions and never renewed. MV performing poorly would also result in a big chunk of eyeballs not tuning in.

That's a pretty shit point. The AFL played all of 2020 in Queensland, all 10 Victorian teams didn't play in victoria, that shouldve grown the tv audience dramatically... nope, it grow by 15,000 viewers over the entire season compared to 2019.

I can say for myself when your in Melbourne and every 2nd home match is behind closed doors or regional people can't go to Melbourne,  it makes it hard to stay as locked into the league as previous years.  Not to mention the amount of mid season matches that were crammed in, it was a very hard season to stay interested in. In fact the only non victory match I've watched all season was ccm vs Macarthur last week.
Last season was a write off. 
Then what can you say about foxtel, awful commentator, pre match and post match for most games didn't even exist and if it did it was archie tripping over his own "brain". 

Nope, it's Nomates back again.

I think you have nailed the point here to be honest.

It's not like most of us aren't aware of the negatives, you're not being clever hammering them home every time someone dares feel positive in the name of realism.

Sometimes you get good news, sometimes you get bad.

You are allowed to react to each accordingly.

If you can't enjoy life's moments without being crushed by what's come before or what may come in the future then you really aren't living your life.

It's bluebird.  All he ever does is be negative 

Paramount have the money so they will make it work. They're not fools going in blind.  They've invested millions In nisa In the us as well. 

With a COVID hit season the ratings should have went through the roof with everyone at home watching because they couldn't get to games because of restrictions BUT NO they failed miserably dropping once more. If foxtel is/was to blame then we will see next season.

Obvious troll is obvious 

Hahaha.  1 out of 10.  Low energy effort.

I'm marking this 'can do better'.

considered drinking a beer to try and relax and maybe enjoy a moment in life?!
or
would you prefer to see NOBODY invest $Millions into broadcasting our game in Australia? 

What ratings? Foxtel? Foxtel ratings tell us nothing relevant.

Nope just you

Oh c'mon BB that's disingenuous to the point of parody

You should lighten up a bit. Wasn't all that long ago S.Lowy and D.Gallop were steering the ship... driving football in this country right into the dirt.

Throw in the governance war with the clubs, alienating active support / fans, the cost of playing for grassroots, a broadcaster falling out of love with the game etc etc etc... things were looking super grim. Then you throw in a global pandemic. 

You look at what's happened since, what JJ has achieved, clubs are now independent and we've had one of the most exciting A-League seasons ever on the pitch .. and now this partnership with a broadcaster whose invested, saying all the right things.... it's exciting times.

But sure... be glass half empty.       

Nice trolling!

Anyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now.
I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings.

To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria

Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around

Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again

People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation

I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction

BB
The media deals were as follows as best as I can remember.

Year 1.... i million for all A-L and Internationals.... no FTA 

Year 2 to Year 8 ... 17 million for all A-L & international matches, and in time AFC matches..... no FTA... 120 million

Year 9 yo Year 12 ... 40 million for all A-L & International matches, AFC..... FTA SBS two years TEN two years... 160 million

Year 13 for at the time five years ... 50 growing to 60 million after expansion to 12 teams, all A & W-L, Socceroo friendlies ... FTA on ABC estimated to be around 250 to 280 million.... by far given the limited Socceroos coverage this was the best media deal in terms of dollars...

However as it turned out it was only Year 13 to Year 14.

Year 15.... 32 million for one year, Socceroo Friendlies, FFA Cup and FTA on the ABC.

At the time the last media deal was signed Footballs ratings were mega times better than today or sorry the 50 to 60 million dollar deal.

At no time other than when on SBS have the media companies shown any degree of making Football their main sport..

TEN now own 2.5% of the APL, the cost of the various Football contracts is a tad over TEN's total revenue.... at no time have we had this i.e. a committed FTA commercial broadcaster who understand the game see their coverage in the US... with a number of on air presenters across a number of their key programs also being Football fans...

Could it be better... of course... but to make it better we as a community need to get behind TEN, watch the Saturday night, and buy a Paramount stream... Football can't demand respect its needs to command respect...

Given the state of the game, this deal is in excess of what most believed and for the first time ever we have a commercial broadcaster that needs to make Football work ... and by needs yes TEN needs to make Football work as Seven does SFL and Nine League

What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era.
But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country.

I suggest that the streaming revolution has made any comparison to the earlier deals tenuous at best. But as you say, we'll see them impact soon enough. It's a significantly better deal than it expected. 

Thats exactly right. The health of the game depends on the value of the top teams in the top tier. No different to in Germany where most second tier teams make a profit due to parachute payments from a league owed largely to the efforts of 5 teams. This is why the salary cap is the single biggest thing holding the game back

Channel 10 paid $10m for 26 games (Saturday night) compared to $30m for the 130 remaining games. They also paid $30m for largely Socceroos premium games of which there are no more than a dozen

It is undeniable the value of our TV deal will always hinge on the value of our best content. Think of what the deal would have been if we had star studded line ups every Saturday night and derbies that are also a fight for the top

Yeah but some also seem to forget that with out a healthy well resourced top division there most definitely wont be a second division. Also don't forget the financial flow on from the proposed domestic transfer system.

You've got to get the horse in front of the cart, so this is at least a start in the right direction and a welcome change from the last few years. I can't remember so many people being so excited about our game in years. Yes there are always failed promises and false starts but if we want anyone else to care about our game, we have to first. It's nice to see most people looking forward together again rather than bickering about everything. If this is the pick-me-up we all needed, I'll take it. Hell, even #sokkahtwitter is struggling to be negative. So it's a good start, but I agree we have to capitalise on it.

I also think it's great that the deal includes better exposure for the FFA Cup. It's a small thing but it does help to elevate the whole football community not just the pro leagues. The deal also helps to underwrite the FA which wasn't a sure thing 6 months ago. This is an important step towards supporting grassroots particularly with the state level reforms in active discussion.

Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll.

Not specificed.

Under this landmark agreement, 10 ViacomCBS will broadcast the below content across Network 10 and Paramount+:

• Matildas Friendly Internationals (home and away)
• Socceroos Friendly Internationals (home and away)
• U23 Men’s Friendly Internationals (home)
• Socceroos’ 2026 FIFA World Cup Asian Qualifier Round 2 matches (home)
• Other Football Australia controlled Youth National Teams matches (home)
• FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Asian Qualifiers – Round Three (including prospective Play-Off matches)
• AFC Asian Cup China 2023^TM Finals
• AFC Women’s Asian Cup India 2022^TM Finals
• AFC U23 Asian Cup Finals 2022, 2024
• AFC Women’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament (Final Round) for Paris Olympics 2024
• AFC U20 Asian Cup Finals 2023
• AFC U17 Asian Cup Finals 2023
• AFC U20 Women’s Asian Cup Finals 2022 and 2024
• AFC U17 Women’s Asian Cup Finals 2022 and 2024
• AFC Futsal Asian Cup Finals 2022, 2024
• AFC Solidarity Cup 2024
• A-League Club Play-Off matches to enter FFA Cup Round of 32
• All FFA Cup matches played from Round of 32 onwards, including the Round of 16, Quarter Finals, Semi-Finals and the FFA Cup Final
• All non-Australian matches across AFC competitions, including Round 3 FIFA World Cup Qualifying matches and AFC Asian Cup matches

You are missing a few steps

I dont recall the first Foxtel deal but the second one a year later was $120m for 7 years. This represented a 120 times increase on the previous deal

The second deal was $40m per year instead of $17m which was a 2 and a bit increase

The third deal was $40m for A League and Socceroos friendlies only. The key Socceroos games were purchased from Fox separately, and the FFA would have been given (IIRC) $1m per game. Say $10m per year

The current deal, for all intends and purposes, is the same for the A League. For the Socceroos it is $30m less the "$10m" the FFA would have gotten from Asia, less also the amount they paid for it. If you say this is $15m then its $15m vs $10m which is still splitting hairs

There is no sense comparing this deal to our worth 3 deals ago and saying there was a radical increase that has been given to us by channel 10. This is essentially the same A League deal with a slightly bigger push for Socceroos content. I get you are passionate about what 10 can do for the game (that they didnt want to do 2 years ago) but Foxtel and SBS have been major long term partners that have given use the same money and done wonders for the game. They only started biting back when we did

This is not a magical miraculous ground breaking deal. People 15 years ago wanted to be on one of three networks and thats what they now have. We'll see the impact soon enough

Agree and he decided in season 1 that his structure of one team per capital city was wrong and wanted new teams in both Sydney & Melbourne... Lowy said no and he left over it.... something by the way hardly ever reported on SBS but they constantly point out his One team per capital city was wrong... but never he also said that and tried to change it...

John O'Neill if he stayed would have grown the A league to way above where it is now. A big loss.

Way way to hard, 

First channel 7 paid 1 million with revenues at the time of close to 700 million.... Ten are paying 70 million with revenues of around 600 million I think, its very different ... Seven brought Football to bury it for the AFL re the email.. TEN wanta make Football grow ... polar opposites in corporate objectives..

Second, if you read the TEN release and you should... TEN have said Football needs to grow and is in a bad place and it will take over seven yes 7  years.... meaning TEN have a long term plan and seem prepared to invest and wait. On this point CBS are massively invested in Football in the US....meaning they understand how to work with little other media and are hugely invested into Football see their web page... https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/

Football in general has only rarely had good admins and sometimes the good ones stayed  to long..... Frank Lowy is the most obvious three attempts .... the A-League worked especially in years 1 thu to say 3.... at this point a plan should have ... Both Danny Townsend [APL media negotiator] & JJ, openly said they want a broadcast partner to help grow the game not simply a broadcaster... This is an amazing deal if you consider were we are and the like of which Football has never had before...

Seven need to make the AFL work, Nine need to make League work, and now TEN need to make Football work....

Yes we still have the same problems as before, but hand on heart not the other thing, things under JJ are changing.... to slow for some but change is happening....

As an aside Nine, Seven, ABC have many on air people who follow other sporting codes, TEN has six on air people who are know as Football fans and only SBS had this before... these are... Waleed Aly, Peter van Onselen, Ed Kavalee Sam Pang, Miguel Maestre, Jock Zonfrillo 

In the announcement, they did say HAL clubs were trying to bundle memberships with discounted Paramount+ subscriptions. Nothing official yet but it would be nice. Paramount+ is trying to drive up numbers, so I can see a small discount (or packaging) happening.