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+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll.
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+x+x+xHaving the Socceroos and Matildas on FTA will be a plus. I have seen excitement in my work place amongst non football fans when SBS started showing Socceroos games after the initial blackout from 2004 when pay got all the rights This isnt huge because its 10. This is huge because internationals need to be given the same access as other sports. Having only 1 or 2 games on the anti syphoning list is shit and I cant tell you how much it upsets me the WWC will be on Optus despite being on our fucking shores The points of interest of this are: . Still a lot of contra which is "being mentioned on project or master chef". No real cash and ambiguous value. Some people forget we have been on 10 before . The FFA had to buy the games from AFC (in past these were priced at $1m each) so that could be $6m to $10m a year in cash . The "face" value of the internationals ($100m for 3 years - if rights expire 2024) is greater than the entire A League at $200m for 5 years (this includes contra, broadcasting arrangements and other write offs). Dont expect interest in the Socceroos to translate to people watching WU v PG . The A League finally has the home it has been asking for, yet a mediocre AFL / NRL style uninspiring closed off league that not only ruins the image of the league, but also will damage the Socceroos as people who last watched them saw Cahill or even Kewell. This is like a woman waiting all year for her prom and then wearing a potato sack This is nothing we havent had before and the game is still the same. With channel 10 announcing football will be number 1 like they did to the already popular cricket, expect our game to be a pawn in a dick measuring contest. If football doesnt have a plan to move past its current format with what it has been given, then this will be remembered in the same way as the channel 7 deal People see contra advertising as a negative.But why?We do have to spend for marketing.So why whinge that Ten are paying for this instead of APL or FA?…Contra money is money that would have to be spent…. I get the feeling people would jump up and down in joy if there was no contra,but cash instead.Thats nuts though,the money would then maybe never get spent on advertising or maybe there would be less because its after Tax money.
This deal maybe another false dawn.But we can at least be optimistic for a while.Seriously what other options are there?If the ratings are abysmal and doom awaits,so be it.
1/ People dont see contra as a negative. The issue with contra is it has no cash value to allow teams to spend more money or boost grassroots. When dissecting a TV deal it is important to know how much money is actually going into the game, vs how much is used to support the mechanics of the deal. A NSD is only possible with cash, not advertising. Any dismissal of contra is simply around discussions of what our game actually gets out of this deal Yeah but some also seem to forget that with out a healthy well resourced top division there most definitely wont be a second division. Also don't forget the financial flow on from the proposed domestic transfer system. You've got to get the horse in front of the cart, so this is at least a start in the right direction and a welcome change from the last few years. I can't remember so many people being so excited about our game in years. Yes there are always failed promises and false starts but if we want anyone else to care about our game, we have to first. It's nice to see most people looking forward together again rather than bickering about everything. If this is the pick-me-up we all needed, I'll take it. Hell, even #sokkahtwitter is struggling to be negative. So it's a good start, but I agree we have to capitalise on it. I also think it's great that the deal includes better exposure for the FFA Cup. It's a small thing but it does help to elevate the whole football community not just the pro leagues. The deal also helps to underwrite the FA which wasn't a sure thing 6 months ago. This is an important step towards supporting grassroots particularly with the state level reforms in active discussion.
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+x+x+x+xHaving the Socceroos and Matildas on FTA will be a plus. I have seen excitement in my work place amongst non football fans when SBS started showing Socceroos games after the initial blackout from 2004 when pay got all the rights This isnt huge because its 10. This is huge because internationals need to be given the same access as other sports. Having only 1 or 2 games on the anti syphoning list is shit and I cant tell you how much it upsets me the WWC will be on Optus despite being on our fucking shores The points of interest of this are: . Still a lot of contra which is "being mentioned on project or master chef". No real cash and ambiguous value. Some people forget we have been on 10 before . The FFA had to buy the games from AFC (in past these were priced at $1m each) so that could be $6m to $10m a year in cash . The "face" value of the internationals ($100m for 3 years - if rights expire 2024) is greater than the entire A League at $200m for 5 years (this includes contra, broadcasting arrangements and other write offs). Dont expect interest in the Socceroos to translate to people watching WU v PG . The A League finally has the home it has been asking for, yet a mediocre AFL / NRL style uninspiring closed off league that not only ruins the image of the league, but also will damage the Socceroos as people who last watched them saw Cahill or even Kewell. This is like a woman waiting all year for her prom and then wearing a potato sack This is nothing we havent had before and the game is still the same. With channel 10 announcing football will be number 1 like they did to the already popular cricket, expect our game to be a pawn in a dick measuring contest. If football doesnt have a plan to move past its current format with what it has been given, then this will be remembered in the same way as the channel 7 deal People see contra advertising as a negative.But why?We do have to spend for marketing.So why whinge that Ten are paying for this instead of APL or FA?…Contra money is money that would have to be spent…. I get the feeling people would jump up and down in joy if there was no contra,but cash instead.Thats nuts though,the money would then maybe never get spent on advertising or maybe there would be less because its after Tax money.
This deal maybe another false dawn.But we can at least be optimistic for a while.Seriously what other options are there?If the ratings are abysmal and doom awaits,so be it.
1/ People dont see contra as a negative. The issue with contra is it has no cash value to allow teams to spend more money or boost grassroots. When dissecting a TV deal it is important to know how much money is actually going into the game, vs how much is used to support the mechanics of the deal. A NSD is only possible with cash, not advertising. Any dismissal of contra is simply around discussions of what our game actually gets out of this deal Yeah but some also seem to forget that with out a healthy well resourced top division there most definitely wont be a second division Thats exactly right. The health of the game depends on the value of the top teams in the top tier. No different to in Germany where most second tier teams make a profit due to parachute payments from a league owed largely to the efforts of 5 teams. This is why the salary cap is the single biggest thing holding the game back Channel 10 paid $10m for 26 games (Saturday night) compared to $30m for the 130 remaining games. They also paid $30m for largely Socceroos premium games of which there are no more than a dozen It is undeniable the value of our TV deal will always hinge on the value of our best content. Think of what the deal would have been if we had star studded line ups every Saturday night and derbies that are also a fight for the top
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+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Way way to hard, First channel 7 paid 1 million with revenues at the time of close to 700 million.... Ten are paying 70 million with revenues of around 600 million I think, its very different ... Seven brought Football to bury it for the AFL re the email.. TEN wanta make Football grow ... polar opposites in corporate objectives.. You are missing a few steps I dont recall the first Foxtel deal but the second one a year later was $120m for 7 years. This represented a 120 times increase on the previous deal The second deal was $40m per year instead of $17m which was a 2 and a bit increase The third deal was $40m for A League and Socceroos friendlies only. The key Socceroos games were purchased from Fox separately, and the FFA would have been given (IIRC) $1m per game. Say $10m per year The current deal, for all intends and purposes, is the same for the A League. For the Socceroos it is $30m less the "$10m" the FFA would have gotten from Asia, less also the amount they paid for it. If you say this is $15m then its $15m vs $10m which is still splitting hairs There is no sense comparing this deal to our worth 3 deals ago and saying there was a radical increase that has been given to us by channel 10. This is essentially the same A League deal with a slightly bigger push for Socceroos content. I get you are passionate about what 10 can do for the game (that they didnt want to do 2 years ago) but Foxtel and SBS have been major long term partners that have given use the same money and done wonders for the game. They only started biting back when we did This is not a magical miraculous ground breaking deal. People 15 years ago wanted to be on one of three networks and thats what they now have. We'll see the impact soon enough I suggest that the streaming revolution has made any comparison to the earlier deals tenuous at best. But as you say, we'll see them impact soon enough. It's a significantly better deal than it expected.
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+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country.
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+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Way way to hard, First channel 7 paid 1 million with revenues at the time of close to 700 million.... Ten are paying 70 million with revenues of around 600 million I think, its very different ... Seven brought Football to bury it for the AFL re the email.. TEN wanta make Football grow ... polar opposites in corporate objectives.. You are missing a few steps I dont recall the first Foxtel deal but the second one a year later was $120m for 7 years. This represented a 120 times increase on the previous deal The second deal was $40m per year instead of $17m which was a 2 and a bit increase The third deal was $40m for A League and Socceroos friendlies only. The key Socceroos games were purchased from Fox separately, and the FFA would have been given (IIRC) $1m per game. Say $10m per year The current deal, for all intends and purposes, is the same for the A League. For the Socceroos it is $30m less the "$10m" the FFA would have gotten from Asia, less also the amount they paid for it. If you say this is $15m then its $15m vs $10m which is still splitting hairs There is no sense comparing this deal to our worth 3 deals ago and saying there was a radical increase that has been given to us by channel 10. This is essentially the same A League deal with a slightly bigger push for Socceroos content. I get you are passionate about what 10 can do for the game (that they didnt want to do 2 years ago) but Foxtel and SBS have been major long term partners that have given use the same money and done wonders for the game. They only started biting back when we did This is not a magical miraculous ground breaking deal. People 15 years ago wanted to be on one of three networks and thats what they now have. We'll see the impact soon enough BB The media deals were as follows as best as I can remember. Year 1.... i million for all A-L and Internationals.... no FTA Year 2 to Year 8 ... 17 million for all A-L & international matches, and in time AFC matches..... no FTA... 120 million Year 9 yo Year 12 ... 40 million for all A-L & International matches, AFC..... FTA SBS two years TEN two years... 160 million Year 13 for at the time five years ... 50 growing to 60 million after expansion to 12 teams, all A & W-L, Socceroo friendlies ... FTA on ABC estimated to be around 250 to 280 million.... by far given the limited Socceroos coverage this was the best media deal in terms of dollars... However as it turned out it was only Year 13 to Year 14. Year 15.... 32 million for one year, Socceroo Friendlies, FFA Cup and FTA on the ABC. At the time the last media deal was signed Footballs ratings were mega times better than today or sorry the 50 to 60 million dollar deal. At no time other than when on SBS have the media companies shown any degree of making Football their main sport.. TEN now own 2.5% of the APL, the cost of the various Football contracts is a tad over TEN's total revenue.... at no time have we had this i.e. a committed FTA commercial broadcaster who understand the game see their coverage in the US... with a number of on air presenters across a number of their key programs also being Football fans... Could it be better... of course... but to make it better we as a community need to get behind TEN, watch the Saturday night, and buy a Paramount stream... Football can't demand respect its needs to command respect... Given the state of the game, this deal is in excess of what most believed and for the first time ever we have a commercial broadcaster that needs to make Football work ... and by needs yes TEN needs to make Football work as Seven does SFL and Nine League
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+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction
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Anyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now.
I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings.
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+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Nice trolling!
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+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction You should lighten up a bit. Wasn't all that long ago S.Lowy and D.Gallop were steering the ship... driving football in this country right into the dirt. Throw in the governance war with the clubs, alienating active support / fans, the cost of playing for grassroots, a broadcaster falling out of love with the game etc etc etc... things were looking super grim. Then you throw in a global pandemic. You look at what's happened since, what JJ has achieved, clubs are now independent and we've had one of the most exciting A-League seasons ever on the pitch .. and now this partnership with a broadcaster whose invested, saying all the right things.... it's exciting times. But sure... be glass half empty.
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+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s Out of interest how much was the 7 deal? The good thing is we dont have to spend much time arguing preemptively about it. In a few short months we'll know for sure Oh c'mon BB that's disingenuous to the point of parody
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+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Nope just you
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+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. What ratings? Foxtel? Foxtel ratings tell us nothing relevant.
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+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction considered drinking a beer to try and relax and maybe enjoy a moment in life?! or would you prefer to see NOBODY invest $Millions into broadcasting our game in Australia?
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+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Hahaha. 1 out of 10. Low energy effort. I'm marking this 'can do better'.
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+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Obvious troll is obvious
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+x+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Hahaha. 1 out of 10. Low energy effort. I'm marking this 'can do better'. With a COVID hit season the ratings should have went through the roof with everyone at home watching because they couldn't get to games because of restrictions BUT NO they failed miserably dropping once more. If foxtel is/was to blame then we will see next season.
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+x+x+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Hahaha. 1 out of 10. Low energy effort. I'm marking this 'can do better'. With a COVID hit season the ratings should have went through the roof with everyone at home watching because they couldn't get to games because of restrictions BUT NO they failed miserably dropping once more. If foxtel is/was to blame then we will see next season. Paramount have the money so they will make it work. They're not fools going in blind. They've invested millions In nisa In the us as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction considered drinking a beer to try and relax and maybe enjoy a moment in life?! or would you prefer to see NOBODY invest $Millions into broadcasting our game in Australia? It's bluebird. All he ever does is be negative
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+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about I think you have nailed the point here to be honest. It's not like most of us aren't aware of the negatives, you're not being clever hammering them home every time someone dares feel positive in the name of realism. Sometimes you get good news, sometimes you get bad. You are allowed to react to each accordingly. If you can't enjoy life's moments without being crushed by what's come before or what may come in the future then you really aren't living your life.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction considered drinking a beer to try and relax and maybe enjoy a moment in life?! or would you prefer to see NOBODY invest $Millions into broadcasting our game in Australia? It's bluebird. All he ever does is be negative Nope, it's Nomates back again.
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+x+x+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Hahaha. 1 out of 10. Low energy effort. I'm marking this 'can do better'. With a COVID hit season the ratings should have went through the roof with everyone at home watching because they couldn't get to games because of restrictions BUT NO they failed miserably dropping once more. If foxtel is/was to blame then we will see next season. That's a pretty shit point. The AFL played all of 2020 in Queensland, all 10 Victorian teams didn't play in victoria, that shouldve grown the tv audience dramatically... nope, it grow by 15,000 viewers over the entire season compared to 2019. I can say for myself when your in Melbourne and every 2nd home match is behind closed doors or regional people can't go to Melbourne, it makes it hard to stay as locked into the league as previous years. Not to mention the amount of mid season matches that were crammed in, it was a very hard season to stay interested in. In fact the only non victory match I've watched all season was ccm vs Macarthur last week. Last season was a write off. Then what can you say about foxtel, awful commentator, pre match and post match for most games didn't even exist and if it did it was archie tripping over his own "brain".
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+x+x+x+xAnyone got the feeling that TEN will crash and burn with this new deal? Ratings are pathetic and dropping every year, Socceroos don't rate and the Matildas are crap now. I'm sure there is a cluse in there contract to pull the pin like FoxSports did after a year or two of failing ratings. Hahaha. 1 out of 10. Low energy effort. I'm marking this 'can do better'. With a COVID hit season the ratings should have went through the roof with everyone at home watching because they couldn't get to games because of restrictions BUT NO they failed miserably dropping once more. If foxtel is/was to blame then we will see next season. That's a pretty shit point. The AFL played all of 2020 in Queensland, all 10 Victorian teams didn't play in victoria, that shouldve grown the tv audience dramatically... nope, it grow by 15,000 viewers over the entire season compared to 2019. I can say for myself when your in Melbourne and every 2nd home match is behind closed doors or regional people can't go to Melbourne, it makes it hard to stay as locked into the league as previous years. Not to mention the amount of mid season matches that were crammed in, it was a very hard season to stay interested in. In fact the only non victory match I've watched all season was ccm vs Macarthur last week. Last season was a write off. Then what can you say about foxtel, awful commentator, pre match and post match for most games didn't even exist and if it did it was archie tripping over his own "brain". Add to that all the people who dropped Fox/Kayo because they were financially effected due to job losses (or reduced hours/pay). I know quite a few people (especially down here in Melbourne) that dropped their subscriptions and never renewed. MV performing poorly would also result in a big chunk of eyeballs not tuning in.
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+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about I think you have nailed the point here to be honest. It's not like most of us aren't aware of the negatives, you're not being clever hammering them home every time someone dares feel positive in the name of realism. Sometimes you get good news, sometimes you get bad. You are allowed to react to each accordingly. If you can't enjoy life's moments without being crushed by what's come before or what may come in the future then you really aren't living your life. 'Whataboutism' is the bane of internet interaction. Plenty here in that group.
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+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Way way to hard, First channel 7 paid 1 million with revenues at the time of close to 700 million.... Ten are paying 70 million with revenues of around 600 million I think, its very different ... Seven brought Football to bury it for the AFL re the email.. TEN wanta make Football grow ... polar opposites in corporate objectives.. You are missing a few steps I dont recall the first Foxtel deal but the second one a year later was $120m for 7 years. This represented a 120 times increase on the previous deal The second deal was $40m per year instead of $17m which was a 2 and a bit increase The third deal was $40m for A League and Socceroos friendlies only. The key Socceroos games were purchased from Fox separately, and the FFA would have been given (IIRC) $1m per game. Say $10m per year The current deal, for all intends and purposes, is the same for the A League. For the Socceroos it is $30m less the "$10m" the FFA would have gotten from Asia, less also the amount they paid for it. If you say this is $15m then its $15m vs $10m which is still splitting hairs There is no sense comparing this deal to our worth 3 deals ago and saying there was a radical increase that has been given to us by channel 10. This is essentially the same A League deal with a slightly bigger push for Socceroos content. I get you are passionate about what 10 can do for the game (that they didnt want to do 2 years ago) but Foxtel and SBS have been major long term partners that have given use the same money and done wonders for the game. They only started biting back when we did This is not a magical miraculous ground breaking deal. People 15 years ago wanted to be on one of three networks and thats what they now have. We'll see the impact soon enough BB The media deals were as follows as best as I can remember. Year 1.... i million for all A-L and Internationals.... no FTA Year 2 to Year 8 ... 17 million for all A-L & international matches, and in time AFC matches..... no FTA... 120 million Year 9 yo Year 12 ... 40 million for all A-L & International matches, AFC..... FTA SBS two years TEN two years... 160 million Year 13 for at the time five years ... 50 growing to 60 million after expansion to 12 teams, all A & W-L, Socceroo friendlies ... FTA on ABC estimated to be around 250 to 280 million.... by far given the limited Socceroos coverage this was the best media deal in terms of dollars... However as it turned out it was only Year 13 to Year 14. Year 15.... 32 million for one year, Socceroo Friendlies, FFA Cup and FTA on the ABC. At the time the last media deal was signed Footballs ratings were mega times better than today or sorry the 50 to 60 million dollar deal. At no time other than when on SBS have the media companies shown any degree of making Football their main sport.. TEN now own 2.5% of the APL, the cost of the various Football contracts is a tad over TEN's total revenue.... at no time have we had this i.e. a committed FTA commercial broadcaster who understand the game see their coverage in the US... with a number of on air presenters across a number of their key programs also being Football fans... Could it be better... of course... but to make it better we as a community need to get behind TEN, watch the Saturday night, and buy a Paramount stream... Football can't demand respect its needs to command respect... Given the state of the game, this deal is in excess of what most believed and for the first time ever we have a commercial broadcaster that needs to make Football work ... and by needs yes TEN needs to make Football work as Seven does SFL and Nine League This is what exited me. Not celebrating because the deal will set up football for ever or that it’s going to create a boom (well we don’t know) but simply because the code was in terrible trouble with lots of gloomy commentary that is on its knees and will never recuperate. Well here we are knowing that’s not the case at all and we can build up and grow from here. I’m more than satisfied with the deal. I can now have a puff of my cigar and relax (at the resort. 😉)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Forget about being realistic on this forum. All they'll do is call you a troll. What is wrong with being a bit positive? I seen many ups & downs in football in this country, many false dawns, but I remained positive, even during the poorly administrated NSL & the poorly administrated Lowy jnr/Gallop era. But you see the same negative people come here with 'realistic' points that everyone is well & truly clear about, but these same people wants to point it out all the time, as if they have a death wish for football in this country. To understand why not everybody is happy about this I'll use the Coronavirus situation in Victoria Today restrictions are easing slightly. Yay right? Who doesnt want to be able to do slightly more things? Good news all around Wrong. This is less than what we could do 3 weeks ago. That was worse than what other states can do. And a few weeks from now after a new case we'll be in lockdown again People dont look one step backwards to measure progression. This is no different to what we have had before. There are a few differences like midfielder has posted above this, that I have read, but no need to keep saying the same things. But realistically we are just in a "better than we could have hoped for" situation I love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction considered drinking a beer to try and relax and maybe enjoy a moment in life?! or would you prefer to see NOBODY invest $Millions into broadcasting our game in Australia? It's bluebird. All he ever does is be negative Nope, it's Nomates back again. I doubt it's Nomates. Pretty consistent views as what bluebird always held.
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+xI love the game, therefore I want the best for the game. Real changes, real progression, real deliverables. If fans are simply going to accept the same repackaged failures as something to get excited about then we can debate this for another 15 years when we announce a $40m deal on channel 9 proper. I wont be happy until the game is where it should be. I'm not going to celebrate every little step along the way because we dont know where those steps are heading and in which direction I think the difference is we now have an administrator in JJ with a background in overseas football (Man City, FIFA, etc.) rather than other Australian sporting leagues, so that's his frame of reference. Things like active support, transfers, a second division, promotion-relegation, even derbies were a foreign language for the likes of O'Neill, Buckley and Gallop. They even had to be dragged kicking and screaming into introducing the FFA Cup. He's already introduced a transfer system, and has defended active fans way more than his predecessors. And he probably would have achieved more by now if Corona hadn't happened and they had to essentially reboot the game. But now that this deal is signed FA have the financial footing to move forward with bolder projects, like the NSD.
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+x+x+x+x+xReally astonishing that you've still managed to be negative about this deal, which is an unmitigated positive. I'm not being negative, just realistic. I cant tell you how many times our game has been in this position starting with channel 7 at the end of the 90s If you guys want to be overly optimistic and celebratory, thats fine. But as this unfolds over the next few months I hope you guys are prepared for a realistic and detailed analysis. Not simply call it as a success regardless of what happens, as I have seen on this forum in the past Way way to hard, First channel 7 paid 1 million with revenues at the time of close to 700 million.... Ten are paying 70 million with revenues of around 600 million I think, its very different ... Seven brought Football to bury it for the AFL re the email.. TEN wanta make Football grow ... polar opposites in corporate objectives.. Second, if you read the TEN release and you should... TEN have said Football needs to grow and is in a bad place and it will take over seven yes 7 years.... meaning TEN have a long term plan and seem prepared to invest and wait. On this point CBS are massively invested in Football in the US....meaning they understand how to work with little other media and are hugely invested into Football see their web page... https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/Football in general has only rarely had good admins and sometimes the good ones stayed to long..... Frank Lowy is the most obvious three attempts .... the A-League worked especially in years 1 thu to say 3.... at this point a plan should have ... Both Danny Townsend [APL media negotiator] & JJ, openly said they want a broadcast partner to help grow the game not simply a broadcaster... This is an amazing deal if you consider were we are and the like of which Football has never had before... Seven need to make the AFL work, Nine need to make League work, and now TEN need to make Football work.... Yes we still have the same problems as before, but hand on heart not the other thing, things under JJ are changing.... to slow for some but change is happening.... John O'Neill if he stayed would have grown the A league to way above where it is now. A big loss. Agree and he decided in season 1 that his structure of one team per capital city was wrong and wanted new teams in both Sydney & Melbourne... Lowy said no and he left over it.... something by the way hardly ever reported on SBS but they constantly point out his One team per capital city was wrong... but never he also said that and tried to change it... Ummmmm that is a little revisionist mate. You and I obviously remember O'Neils effect on the sport very differently. Why the SBS hate btw? 40 years of broadcasting soccer isn't enough for you, yet 30 odd games and all of a sudden Walleed and channel 10 are the new messiah? I too have been following Channel 10 news recently and agree with you that they are now mentioning the round ball with a lot more enthusiasm obviously, notice Jennifer Kyte's face tonight though when the Euros or anything football are mentioned, its like she's licked the cat's bum.....
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+xRobbie Slater indicated on the Fox broadcast that the A League will kick off in November. Hoping that is a two way step to move to a February 2023 winter competition the following year in alignment with the NSD and the pyramid. Fo 10 to get there wish, we must compete with the NRL and AFL. The hype over the WC in Nov 2022 and the WWC in 2023 will help in their marketing. Interesting the above comment about getting the deal over the line without the hype of the WC. I suspect that 10 have looked over the horizon and like what they see. That's interesting. A possible way forward for a winter transition would be to have the following seasons: 2021-22: November-June/July 2022-23: start after the World Cup in December/January, then have a mid-season break for the WWC in June 23, and finish up in October/November 2024: Proper winter season, March-November Also lines up nicely with proposed NSD timetable, which will likely start in 2023. And certainly the Qatar World Cup throws a spanner in the works if they wanted to keep a summer season for 2022-23. But it all depends on whether the APL owners have the cojones to pull off the switch, and whether 10 is up for it or not.
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+x+x+xTo all the bitters... To all the AFL trolls... To all the other trolls... To all the Lowy hangers on.... To all the SBS O we can and only us can tell you how to run the game.... GAGF this is the best media deal ever in our history Settle down buddy. Its a great deal The clubs owners will get lots of money, the federations will get a decent slice too (how well they use it is another matter) but don't expect anything else to change in your lifetime..... Its channel 10 and a streaming service.... dont go telling people to go and get f@cked just yet..... Perhaps one to many Hunter Reds... I actually went out and brought a bottle to celebrate and I am not a heavy drinker but we finished the bottle... Good on you mate... Hope it went down smoothly :) Seriously, its good to get a win in life, whatever that may be. I still hold my reservations with the direction this will take soccer in this country, as you can guess, but agree that it is great for the FA to finally have a bit of coin behind them and the apparent good will from a broadcaster. Lets see how this all pans out hey?
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