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Can’t wait for this game. Can only imagine the home pressure applied to the Japanese right now, we’re probably the last team they wanted to face. A loss against us would leave them in a very desperate situation. Should be a cracker.
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+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'd also start Karasic over Grant & Boyle over Rogic, with Mabil as "Striker" in that formation. Plus I can't leave Harry out of the team either
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+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'd also start Karasic over Grant & Boyle over Rogic, with Mabil as "Striker" in that formation. Plus I can't leave Harry out of the team either genreu though is in a promotion chasing team in an equivalent league so might have eeked ahead
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Mr Cleansheets
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+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Quite like this team. The only small issue is that Irvine does give us a little extra up front.
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+x+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Good line up. Some fresh legs and I too would keep Rogic in reserve just in case we need a goal or two to snatch a draw. Bringing Rogic and Arzani on with 25 minutes to go might be useful to have in the backpocket. A draw would be good, given the circumstances of our group and our poor history against Japan. As an aside, I hope Arnie has sorted out the Mabil-Hrustic tension as these are two of our best younger players who will hopefully play many games together. Anyone know why Mabil and Hrustic argued at HT in Oman game?! I saw one tweet speculating that Mabil was unhappy with Hrustic being so friendly to the opposition, stopping for chats with Omani players throughout the first half etc. Interesting if true. Opponents can use that as a sneaky tactic sometimes. ‘Befriend’ your opponents so they subconsciously may not fight you/try as hard I've done that my whole football career (and continues in the O45s). Also pays to be mates with teh ref - let the other team do the yelling.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Good line up. Some fresh legs and I too would keep Rogic in reserve just in case we need a goal or two to snatch a draw. Bringing Rogic and Arzani on with 25 minutes to go might be useful to have in the backpocket. A draw would be good, given the circumstances of our group and our poor history against Japan. As an aside, I hope Arnie has sorted out the Mabil-Hrustic tension as these are two of our best younger players who will hopefully play many games together. Anyone know why Mabil and Hrustic argued at HT in Oman game?! I saw one tweet speculating that Mabil was unhappy with Hrustic being so friendly to the opposition, stopping for chats with Omani players throughout the first half etc. Interesting if true. Opponents can use that as a sneaky tactic sometimes. ‘Befriend’ your opponents so they subconsciously may not fight you/try as hard I've done that my whole football career (and continues in the O45s).
Also pays to be mates with teh ref - let the other team do the yelling. Yep. I've even passed on that proud tradition to the kids that I have coached. :D
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+x+x+x+xWow, we haven't won against Japan in 12 years. Would take a draw. After their first round loss, they're gonna need to go hard at us for all 3 points. thats whats good about this game, they have to go for the result, we counter well and Duke up front with Boyle/Mabil I like this vision. We got to hold the shape for their one touch will be strong and endless energy. That’s true. Sounds like a refreshing change after the pressure being on us to attack and make things happen in all our previous WCQs. agreed, it is a first that I can recall for us. Japan despite the lack of form (injuries as well) 2loss's 1 win 3rd round know this game is a must win for them as all can see. Every single game against them over the years we're like half a yard slower (be great not this game) and I expect them coming at us 200miles an hour and look to play around us to pull us open in the middle in the hope for many balls coming back inside us in and around the box for one of them open for the shot. I'm sure we're all keen to see our starting line up, I'm not so sure seeing some line ups in here having Mooy @ CM but thats my train of thought. Can't wait for the game and rippa @ 9.14pm.
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+x+x+xThe Japanese are going to go super hard in this game. They have to. I reckon one of them might go too hard and get a red. If that happens we'll run all over them. Souttar will scare the living shit out of them too. Can't wait to see it. Sadly I think they'll be a little too strong if they keep eleven on the pitch. Has Souttar scored in this round of WCQs? I think we've played 3 games, and he hasn't scored a set piece headed goal. At our attacking set pieces, the last three teams, China, Vietnam and Oman, have worked out game plans to stop Souttar scoring from corners. I think we've scored 7 goals, all field goals - Mabil, Boyle and Duke 2 each, and Grant 1. Souttar is a great diversion in the box for opponent defenders and possibly frees up another Socceroo to strike at goal unmarked Possibly true, that he is a diversion, but we've scored from no set pieces in this WCQ round - having played three games.
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+x+xThe Japanese are going to go super hard in this game. They have to. I reckon one of them might go too hard and get a red. If that happens we'll run all over them. Souttar will scare the living shit out of them too. Can't wait to see it. Sadly I think they'll be a little too strong if they keep eleven on the pitch. Big Harry might find it tough going in his primary job of defending. He didn't find it easy against Vietnam. And Japan are a class above Vietnam, so Harry could be a left in wake of Japanese counter attacks. It was interesting Adrian Deans, an Inside Sport analyst ( is he any relation to Craig Deans A L coach?) also identified what I've been saying for a long time. Harry is a horses for courses selection IMO. He isn't nimble enough to change direction quickly against nimble, skilful attackers.
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+xGrant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle I'm going to sub Ikon for Rogic in this line up. He gets through more defensive work. Hrustic and Ikon can swap sides too.
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+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'm not familiar with KD's skill set - yet. I haven't seen him play enough. He could be an option though. He is quite experienced being aged 29 ( I think ) too , although not at international level. If he has been quite disciplined and has intense concentration powers being able to hold effective position against teams enjoying sustained periods of possession, it would be a useful attribute.
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+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'd also start Karasic over Grant & Boyle over Rogic, with Mabil as "Striker" in that formation. Plus I can't leave Harry out of the team either genreu though is in a promotion chasing team in an equivalent league so might have eeked ahead Didn't realise they were so close to top of the ladder? It would be great if they could be promoted.
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+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'm not familiar with KD's skill set - yet. I haven't seen him play enough. He could be an option though. He is quite experienced being aged 29 ( I think ) too , although not at international level. If he has been quite disciplined and has intense concentration powers being able to hold effective position against teams enjoying sustained periods of possession, it would be a useful attribute. Genreau is way may flexible midfielder who could play in all 3 lines, whilst Dougall is an out and out No.6 but we know Arnie likes a ball winner No.6 but Genreau gives more flexibility in how he wants to set up. Again its good to have options.
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+x+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'm not familiar with KD's skill set - yet. I haven't seen him play enough. He could be an option though. He is quite experienced being aged 29 ( I think ) too , although not at international level. If he has been quite disciplined and has intense concentration powers being able to hold effective position against teams enjoying sustained periods of possession, it would be a useful attribute. Genreau is way may flexible midfielder who could play in all 3 lines, whilst Dougall is an out and out No.6 but we know Arnie likes a ball winner No.6 but Genreau gives more flexibility in how he wants to set up. Again its good to have options. It is.
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Game is on Ch 12 (10 Bold) and 10Play online
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It's a very interesting equation we have. Main thing is to avoid defeat. Typically we've always been fearful of how Japan will destroy us but it's never really turned out that way. The 2014 campaign games were very odd. 2017 away was typically stupid with wasted chances and lapses of concentration.
Tomorrow I think it'll either be 1:0 or 4:0 for Japan. Japan has always been the team we've ignored as we know we'll be fine if we beat everyone else. Now it's actually Saudi in that spot so this game is absolutely crucial. They all count but they seem to have different weighting.
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Wish we had some friendlies against strong teams to see
Ryan Degenek Sainsbury Souttar Karacic Behich Mooy Irvine Hrustic Boyle Mabil
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nah arnie had the right lineup vs oman maybe mooy will start but he is out of form with no clubs games atm. i'd like to see him in the #10 just to save him the work rate. imo he was always better as a #10. personally i'd take karacic over grant. he looked the goods when he came on. taggart has actually been pretty decent. just not finding the back of the net. the shift into a bigger lad with duke coming on later in the match seems to be worklng pretty well for us. it's a really good sub and he's a handful for tired defenders to deal with.
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Rogic off the bench, please!!!!!
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+xWish we had some friendlies against strong teams to see Ryan Degenek Sainsbury Souttar Karacic Behich Mooy Irvine Hrustic Boyle Mabil What's wrong with playing this formation tomorrow? I'd have Harry in the middle, like he plays for Stoke & I'd probably have Hrustic in the middle, but that's probably our strongest 11
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+x+x+x+x+xPut in date due to numerous threads between these teams. Massive and unbelievable situation we find ourselves in. Think we need: Ryan Karacic Sainsbury Souttar Behich Jeggo Mooy Boyle. Hrustic Mabil Duke Jeggo has a tank and concentration. We can afford to be a bit risky here. I'd even consider starting Ikon over Mabil. If it went awry then Rogic, Mabil and Irvine await. Another alternative is to do what Pim did. Play a 4-3-2-1. Japan desperately need points. We don't. A draw is a good result for us, but not them. They will be suffering from scoreboard pressure. To play 3 DMs could work, except we don't have the defensive quality in DMs we've had in recent years with considerable experience to do this job. A player like Josh Brillante, a tough tackling ball winner, could be handy for this role. He is not in the squad though. Grant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle Japan have had a strength of slick central combination play on the edge of the pen box. This 4-3-2-1 formation forces them to cross from wide areas, which hasn't been nearly as much of a Japanese strength. In the DM line though Irvine is not as quick and manoeuvrable on his feet as the likes of Culina, Milligan, to jockey, turn and chase. Ditto Mooy, but he has the requisite experience, albeit being more of a controlling and proactive midfielder. Genreau has the manoeuvrability, but not the experience. Arnie might have been Pim's assistant when the Socceroos adopted this game plan in the same fixture for the 2010 South African WCQ campaign. Kenny Dougall literally plays 90 mins every week in the Championship at CDM, so he would be ahead of Genreau/ Jeggo in my book. I'd also start Karasic over Grant & Boyle over Rogic, with Mabil as "Striker" in that formation. Plus I can't leave Harry out of the team either genreu though is in a promotion chasing team in an equivalent league so might have eeked ahead Didn't realise they were so close to top of the ladder? It would be great if they could be promoted. First in fact in ligue 2
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+x+xWish we had some friendlies against strong teams to see Ryan Degenek Sainsbury Souttar Karacic Behich Mooy Irvine Hrustic Boyle Mabil What's wrong with playing this formation tomorrow? I'd have Harry in the middle, like he plays for Stoke & I'd probably have Hrustic in the middle, but that's probably our strongest 11 It's would be a very interesting case study. Japan will attack regardless but could this extra cover hold them out? We're in a good spot that we can play our usual way and nearly play on our own terms. Such an interesting match up for a change. Normally we're in dire straits and desperately need the result. Losing this and seeing Saudi win will pile the pressure on again. Just avoid defeat and reassess.
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I love the fact that we have options in the midfield, Mooy, Rogic & Hrustic & then Irvine, Jeggo & Genereau all different types of players, we are slowly maturing as a football nation.
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+xI love the fact that we have options in the midfield, Mooy, Rogic & Hrustic & then Irvine, Jeggo & Genereau all different types of players, we are slowly maturing as a football nation. Generau was not on the bench against Oman. So not sure if his playing against Japan
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+x+xGrant ......Sains........Degenek.......Behich .....Irvine.........Mooy....... Genreau/Jeggo ............Rogic............Hrustic ....................Boyle I'm going to sub Ikon for Rogic in this line up. He gets through more defensive work. Hrustic and Ikon can swap sides too. Good lineup and agree with Ikon instead of Rogic. This sort of game will call a little graft in midfield to be honest. Depending on how things are going Rogic can play the last 20 minutes where he would more effective in gliding through tiring defences.
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Gonna be a loooong day waiting for this game (and hopefully a good result)
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+xGonna be a loooong day waiting for this game (and hopefully a good result) Yep, and I'll already be smashed by kick off. Probably have to wait till morning to find out what happened...
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+xGonna be a loooong day waiting for this game (and hopefully a good result) haha so true. Waiting waiting. I was listenning to GA on the main sport news last night. He was quite relaxed good to see and in the big picture this is a huge game for a number of things. He quoted why can't we think of 12 in a row from memory despite our history against them. It’s been more than a decade since the Socceroos last beat the Samurai Blue - in a 2-1 qualifying victory at the MCG under the late Pim Verbeek - but they’ve never been able to beat them on Japanese soil in nine attempts stretching all the way back to 1994. This played in Japan is the big test with their own crowd capped I think. He giggled when told the crowd is restricted to "clapping" only - he quoted won't effect us we never understand their chants anyway smugly and that it would be more noticable to the Samurai Blue players that is true. Knife edge game for Moriyasu as well, word is he'll be gone not getting the result this game. A draw as some say would be great But I can't see it being level all game, there's too much riding on it for Japan, we can't afford to play the % game and let them come at us upon reflection, we can't play park the bus. Be interesting the aussie hoops supporters on Kyogo, hope Sains/Souttar tag team give it to him might I add, gonna need to shut him down as much as poss.
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What a statement a win would make. So many possibilities in this game and the Saudi one later that what looked like an easy group could suddenly be in the mixer again. Even Vietnam could jag a result and upset the pundits. As someone said, a couple of draws in the other games tonight would be great. A victory at their home would be fantastic! At about the 81st minute of the Omani game I felt the pressure ease, even though we didn't score the third until the 88th minute. I would like an earlier 2 goal buffer this time, and even then I think I will still be nervous.
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What formation is best to start with? 442 would be better defensively? Or is the best defence against a desperate opponent to attack?!
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