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surely that poorly choreographed crap from the players didn't fool anyone?
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bettega - 21 Oct 2021 10:37 AM
Munrubenmuz - 21 Oct 2021 8:28 AM

valid question, no?

No.... I agree with alot of what Mikey tweets about but I will NEVER share his love for that corrupt team from the slums of Piraeus. :)
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Munrubenmuz - 21 Oct 2021 8:28 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Oct 2021 10:38 PM

Just out of interest are you @smfcmike on twitter?

valid question, no?

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Munrubenmuz - 21 Oct 2021 8:28 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Oct 2021 10:38 PM

Just out of interest are you @smfcmike on twitter?

Hahahahah No mate. I do know him though, as do most regular Lakeside tragics., If you think Im a passionate Hellas fan, you should spend an hour chatting to Mikey :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Oct 2021 10:38 PM
Roar in me Blood - 20 Oct 2021 7:25 PM

Oh Im even further removed, just pure speculation on my behalf.... James was on channel 10 news tonight (kudos to Paramount/  10 BTW 3 soccer stories and 1 cricket one made up the whole of the sports news........) looking rather sheepish. In  y opinion, the FA,s comment,  to paraphrase, about  making sure that junior and senior Matildas didn't room together at the Olympics to prevent that sort of thing seem to indicate that it must at least have been discussed? Someone knew/knows something...... it all depends on how far down the rot has set....

Just out of interest are you @smfcmike on twitter?


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Roar in me Blood - 20 Oct 2021 7:25 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Oct 2021 2:40 PM

Fair call - I had in my head that it had become less of an issue but thinking about it nothing appeared to have changed systemically to stop any behaviour of that sort so why would it have - unless predators found a mate in the meantime and stopped for that reason.

Some members of the Board seem to be clearly implicated in the allegations in some form or other. As you say - it all has to be proven first - but if so, there would be a lot of resistance to a true flushing out of participants and enablers.

I am wondering about James Johnson and the Executive Leadership group. How much say they have in what happens next and whether the Board can shut them up and shut them down if they try to deal with it properly.

I am too far removed to have any understanding of who knew what (yeah yeah Lucy...) and what anyone has done to try and expose/address/resolve even parts of this.

Oh Im even further removed, just pure speculation on my behalf.... James was on channel 10 news tonight (kudos to Paramount/  10 BTW 3 soccer stories and 1 cricket one made up the whole of the sports news........) looking rather sheepish. In  y opinion, the FA,s comment,  to paraphrase, about  making sure that junior and senior Matildas didn't room together at the Olympics to prevent that sort of thing seem to indicate that it must at least have been discussed? Someone knew/knows something...... it all depends on how far down the rot has set....

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De ruese got the sack after players mutineer , she wanted more professional ism but the players didn't, the toxic unprofessional environment goes back some

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Roar in me Blood - 20 Oct 2021 11:50 AM

I think the issue is not so much "when" it was happening mate as that, according to Lisa, it is STILL happening under the watchfull eye of current board and, from the email trail in the article, it looks remarkably like Chris Nikou at least was very active in trying to "make it go away" ........

Fair call - I had in my head that it had become less of an issue but thinking about it nothing appeared to have changed systemically to stop any behaviour of that sort so why would it have - unless predators found a mate in the meantime and stopped for that reason.

Some members of the Board seem to be clearly implicated in the allegations in some form or other. As you say - it all has to be proven first - but if so, there would be a lot of resistance to a true flushing out of participants and enablers.

I am wondering about James Johnson and the Executive Leadership group. How much say they have in what happens next and whether the Board can shut them up and shut them down if they try to deal with it properly.

I am too far removed to have any understanding of who knew what (yeah yeah Lucy...) and what anyone has done to try and expose/address/resolve even parts of this.

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Roar in me Blood - 20 Oct 2021 11:50 AM
ErogenousZone - 20 Oct 2021 8:50 AM

I cannot read it (paywall and that is fine) - but this sounds like the stuff Lisa raised when she first lodged her recent claim and not anything additional. She definitely said in her claim that she had been trying for over a year and had meetings cancelled and dodged.

I am happy for any article to keep this in the spotlight until it gets properly investigated, but is this article anything newer than Lisa's original claim?

Just for clarity, are you including Johnson and the current Executive team in this apparent carpet job? The current Board of Directors (or just those that were around when it was happening)?

I cannot say I have seen enough to applaud or condemn the newest Exec administration for their handling of Lisa's claims so far other than comments that some players felt pressured to release the individual statements.

I think the issue is not so much "when" it was happening mate as that, according to Lisa, it is STILL happening under the watchfull eye of current board and, from the email trail in the article, it looks remarkably like Chris Nikou at least was very active in trying to "make it go away" ........
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ErogenousZone - 20 Oct 2021 8:50 AM

Him & his consensus lackey's attempt to sweep this under the carpet has failed.  

They are now officially no better than the old FFA & in fact & in light of the allegations presented considerably worse.  



I cannot read it (paywall and that is fine) - but this sounds like the stuff Lisa raised when she first lodged her recent claim and not anything additional. She definitely said in her claim that she had been trying for over a year and had meetings cancelled and dodged.

I am happy for any article to keep this in the spotlight until it gets properly investigated, but is this article anything newer than Lisa's original claim?

Just for clarity, are you including Johnson and the current Executive team in this apparent carpet job? The current Board of Directors (or just those that were around when it was happening)?

I cannot say I have seen enough to applaud or condemn the newest Exec administration for their handling of Lisa's claims so far other than comments that some players felt pressured to release the individual statements.

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ErogenousZone - 20 Oct 2021 8:50 AM

Him & his consensus lackey's attempt to sweep this under the carpet has failed.  

They are now officially no better than the old FFA & in fact & in light of the allegations presented considerably worse.  



Sadly, I do think this will be swept under the carpet mate....  The Matildas are the goose that laid the golden egg at the moment and I dont think the FA will let the truth get in the way of profits. I so hope I am wrong though, this needs to stop.
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Him & his consensus lackey's attempt to sweep this under the carpet has failed.  

They are now officially no better than the old FFA & in fact & in light of the allegations presented considerably worse.  



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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/fa-obstructed-lisa-de-vanna-meeting-despite-allegedly-knowing-matildas-grooming-abuse-claims/news-story/d2e678c77c8bef6c3ec12f60479f1cdd

Ladies and gentlemen,  I give you Chris Nikou and the board of FA.....  
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theFOOTBALLlover - 12 Oct 2021 12:29 PM
I'm still trying to work out why Alen Stajcic was sacked.

Wasn't   it  one  of  the  earlier  decisions   under  the  new  FFA   board ?
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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 7:23 PM

What are yours?


Mine?  When Staj got sacked "we" (me too) universally derided how a campaign of whispers, nods and winks and appalling displays of prejudice undermined and nearly destroyed the reputation of a man we generally admired for his efforts in the game.

Now the same sort of campaign is being run against a group of women who currently represent, or in the past have represented, the game in this country.
If you aren't personally prejudiced, why is there any reason to follow those snide practices this forum has so derided in the past?

I will wait for facts to emerge rather than willingly pounce on a parade of social media innuendo.  The Staj thing is too raw.


Fair enough I can see your point and concede. In fairness I did try and make the point that the actions were vile IF TRUE ( and also not sure its accurate to describe what has been reported in the media as innuendo or whispers and rumours, Lisa and other former Matildas have come out with specific incidents and examples) I'll try an reserve my wrath for when the official findings come out .............
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Does Football Australia run workshops on National camps that deal with non football related activities, Do a league clubs do the same ?
The WSL players will no doubt  have attended various workshops as English Football takes child welfare  seriously after the issues it has had over the decades

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 4:55 PM

not at all deflecting, if an offence happens via internet ie unsolicited picture sent via an app then UN definition is used regardless of of aoc

Just no.

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What are yours?


Mine?  When Staj got sacked "we" (me too) universally derided how a campaign of whispers, nods and winks and appalling displays of prejudice undermined and nearly destroyed the reputation of a man we generally admired for his efforts in the game.

Now the same sort of campaign is being run against a group of women who currently represent, or in the past have represented, the game in this country.
If you aren't personally prejudiced, why is there any reason to follow those snide practices this forum has so derided in the past?

I will wait for facts to emerge rather than willingly pounce on a parade of social media innuendo.  The Staj thing is too raw.


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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 4:55 PM
dirkvanadidas - 12 Oct 2021 1:03 AM

The Australian age of consent is as advertised.  The UN definition has absolutely zero to do with anything.  Deflecting?


not at all deflecting, if an offence happens via internet ie unsolicited picture sent via an app then UN definition is used regardless of of aoc

Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club

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Munrubenmuz - 12 Oct 2021 10:54 AM
Just by the by. Kudos for the NT and Canberra not having the Union Jack in the corner. NT flag the stand out.



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Monoethnic Social Club - 12 Oct 2021 4:05 PM
SUTHERLANDBEAR - 12 Oct 2021 2:00 PM

hahahahahahahh noice :)

You do have a way with words.
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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 5:06 PM
dirkvanadidas - 12 Oct 2021 1:03 AM
The UN definition of a child is under 18 

The Australian age of consent is as advertised.  The UN definition has absolutely zero to do with anything.  Deflecting?

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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 12:17 AM
Well fewww, thats a relief then...  Maybe she wont be stripped of her Ballon D'Or and become a registered sex offender. Lucky girl.


Now that is problematical.  Implication is still libel.  You are way out of order.  No charges and not even a law to stand by in support of your statements (and clear prejudice).  However, you are legally responsible for the comments you make on these forums (and so is the site now) so perhaps instead of doubling down, you might care to rephrase.

It takes literally one legal letter to get all of your information.  Not a good idea to set yourself up as a target.

You don't have to like her.  You don't have to approve of her actions.  Just better to be factual (even though that is no longer a complete defence). 

Interesting side factoid:  Lesbos is a Greek island but not an appropriate epithet for a group of women who play football.




Interesting, we dont really have the same interpretation of "implication" do we? I wonder who is right and who is wrong in this instance? Is your implication of me having a "clear prejudice" not slander?
Kindly refer to my FULL statement below and explain if my addendum statement (bold and highlighted as originally quoted - 11 Oct 2021 3:53 PM) offers me any protection from your threats of legal recourse, my intentions were to highlight my disgust at an alleged incident everyone seems to be talking about .... What are yours?

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Well played on the Lesbos/Greek slur by the way. It appears what is and isnt appropriate depends on who the target of the conversation is at the time huh?


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dirkvanadidas - 12 Oct 2021 1:03 AM
The UN definition of a child is under 18 

The Australian age of consent is as advertised.  The UN definition has absolutely zero to do with anything.  Deflecting?

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SWandP - 12 Oct 2021 12:17 AM
Well fewww, thats a relief then...  Maybe she wont be stripped of her Ballon D'Or and become a registered sex offender. Lucky girl.


Now that is problematical.  Implication is still libel.  You are way out of order.  No charges and not even a law to stand by in support of your statements (and clear prejudice).  However, you are legally responsible for the comments you make on these forums (and so is the site now) so perhaps instead of doubling down, you might care to rephrase.

It takes literally one legal letter to get all of your information.  Not a good idea to set yourself up as a target.

You don't have to like her.  You don't have to approve of her actions.  Just better to be factual (even though that is no longer a complete defence). 

Interesting side factoid:  Lesbos is a Greek island but not an appropriate epithet for a group of women who play football.





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dirkvanadidas - 12 Oct 2021 1:03 AM
The UN definition of a child is under 18 

The Australian age of consent is as advertised.  The UN definition has absolutely zero to do with anything.  Deflecting?


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theFOOTBALLlover - 12 Oct 2021 12:29 PM
I'm still trying to work out why Alen Stajcic was sacked.

Because if you frame his attempts to bring greater professionalism to the team as an attack on lesbians it looks like he's a bigot and has to go. FFA wouldn't have wanted to be seen as protecting someone who was anti-gay. 

He was trying to enforce some professionalism. Like don't sleep with teammates on Matilda's time.

It is all about who does the complaining. Whoever complains first wins.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 11 Oct 2021 11:35 PM

" THE SPONSORS WOULD PULL THE PLUG " ?  I know more than a few who would be pulling their plugs over this !

hahahahahahahh noice :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 11 Oct 2021 11:35 PM
Roar in me Blood - 11 Oct 2021 11:02 PM

In fairness to the current leadership group (if the allegations are true) they aren't exactly going to come out and say "yes we are all lesbians and frequently have sex with each other and try and coerce young girls into joining us"... the sponsors would pull the plug and they would all lose their jobs.... it seems like there are some painful,revelations  coming and I don't think even James "Mr Wolf" Johnson will be able to fix this mess.  

" THE SPONSORS WOULD PULL THE PLUG " ?  I know more than a few who would be pulling their plugs over this !
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I'm still trying to work out why Alen Stajcic was sacked.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 12 Oct 2021 11:25 AM
Roar in me Blood - 12 Oct 2021 11:08 AM
Sorry didnt mean for it to come across as some sort of anti gay sentiment at all.. Its the coercion of young girls that has got my goat.....


I had no doubt about that and you didn't. My point was focussing more on what the 'right' thing is for the current leaders to do for the victims, the brand, and their own integrity.

When I wear their colours, I am the club.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 11 Oct 2021 11:35 PM
Roar in me Blood - 11 Oct 2021 11:02 PM

In fairness to the current leadership group (if the allegations are true) they aren't exactly going to come out and say "yes we are all lesbians and frequently have sex with each other and try and coerce young girls into joining us"... the sponsors would pull the plug and they would all lose their jobs.... it seems like there are some painful,revelations  coming and I don't think even James "Mr Wolf" Johnson will be able to fix this mess.  

I am not concerned about them being lesbians, or sleeping together frequently. That's entirely their business; and any sponsor of the team would already be well aware that there is strong representation in the top level of the sport by the lesbian community as part of their due diligence as businesses.

My only concern is for the predatory and abusive side of the allegations, and in fairness to the victims if there are any innocent players in the current leadership group (innocence being a bit relative given I would expect if it has all been going on as claimed for so long they all are guilty by silence at least) then NOW is the time for them to speak up and save the brand.

Nothing would give the Matildas more carriage and momentum than showing that they are really the strong women they need to be as true role models.

I am sure I am dreaming and more than a little naive with my expectations of the power of right over wrong.
Sorry didnt mean for it to come across as some sort of anti gay sentiment at all.. Its the coercion of young girls that has got my goat.....


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