So you're worried he might become a drug addict because he had a vaccine? And you know few people who have had a reaction to a vaccine? ok.

Yes, something serious and dangerous is occurring - a global pandemic that has crippled the world and we have man babies having mental breakdowns because they've been asked to take a little needle in the arm to protect themselves and others and to help us move on. 

Absolute sooks. 

You realise only four people read this forum. Shouldn't you be aiming for a bigger audience?

Almost 90% of the adult population have gotten vaccinated. A few percent at most have gotten covid.  Try and think about how many "concerning first hand" stories you would have if 90% of the population got covid and only a few percent were vaccinated.

That's not to diminish anyone that's had a bad reaction to a vaccine, it does happen and it's really sad for them but there's a bigger picture.

When you're vaccinating nearly 100% of the population, there will be no doubt that a fair number will have adverse reactions (how many people have peanut allergies?). To elevate this to state that there are major issues with the vaccine, or to state that they are completely safe is disingenuous. I think the best thing people can do is to speak to their GP about any concerns/issues they may have. I've had family that were concerned about AZ, and opted for Pfizer after speaking with their GP. I'm sure it  works in the reverse as well.

yes, if we hadn't gotten the population vaccinated and locked down our country and just let it rip like Trump did we'd have over 100,000 covid deaths annually 

A serous reaction is bad and not to be scoffed at, but seriously some of these reactions or hearsay conditions people are whinging about sound more like panic attacks or anxiety than anything actually serious.

exactly
most of these events are just imagined

I think you need a bit of thread context.

John Smith has been caught out posting dubious sources which have been debunked as total bullshit on multiple occasions, yet keeps on posting more links like nothing has happened.  It's the equivalent of the boy who cried wolf.

It's not a disregard for those who have suffered side effects, rather a disregard anything John smith posts.

Wow. You are special. Good luck. 

I think tsf last comment is obviously contrary to you last sentence. But thanks for the context. I know of people overseas that have died of covid. I get both sides. Problem is one side is being heavily hidden. No denying this. 

Completely wrong. My friend can't play his chosen sport which he plays semi professionally nor can he do any activity due to issues with his heart now. You need to stop being ignorant. 

I think any vaccine hesitancy would be significantly reduced if we took all side effects (real or imagined), no matter how severe, seriously. It would give people confidence that they are being looked after.

vaccine hesitancy is largely based on conspiracy theories promoted on Facebook
the sooner this is dealt with the sooner we can repair the misinformation distributed to vulnerable minds

I'm denying it, the information is all there on government websites and from the vaccine manufacturers.
No one is saying there are no side effects for anyone, simply that the risks of sever side effects is far far lower than the risks of complications from catching covid.
You knowing a few people with severe side effects is anecdotal. Everyone I know (bar one) is vaccinated and none of them had serious side effects. Whose anecdote is correct? Neither.

I don't think anyone in this thread is a qualified health professional. If you have a side effect and you talk to your GP they will listen to you. Severe side effects and deaths, even when they are later found not to be caused by the vaccine, are all recorded. What more do you want?

People here are frustrated because people are spreading misinformation. It's complete garbage and does far more than vaccine hesitancy than someone calling them out.

I agree that what we should do, but I think people on the forum shouldn't simply dismiss others about their hesitancy or misinformation, but instead refer them to their doctor.

there seem to be people on this forum knowingly spreading anti-vaxer misinformation

the forum owner is okay with that occurring on their property?

Your work colleague? 

100% but we've been telling these fucking idiots this for 12 months. We are crippled as a community because of these morons. Most of these stories are complete bullshit or over exagerrated.

How many more people have to die 

I mean ffs even starting a point with 'I know covid is real but' as if for a minute there is any debate ffs...

I just wanted to approve of this post.

Its the "nocebo" effect in full force I dare say.

What is it?The nocebo effect is the opposite of the placebo effect. It describes a situation where a negative outcome occurs due to a belief that the intervention will cause harm. It is a sometimes forgotten phenomenon in the world of medicine safety. The term nocebo comes from the Latin ‘to harm’.

For adverse reactions to medicines, nocebo implies that patients are more likely to experience an adverse effect if they expect or are worried about the adverse effect. The adverse effects may be physically experienced by the patient and are often clinically diagnosable¹. An example of the nocebo effect is the severe adverse effects experienced by patients taking a placebo during a clinical trial.Some experts state that the nocebo effect may have a larger effect on clinical outcomes than the placebo effect as negative perceptions are formed much faster than positive ones¹.

The nocebo effect can be influenced by ‘media storms’. Widespread dissemination of concerns about an adverse reaction to a medicine leads to an increase in the number of reports of the adverse reaction. For example, in 2013, British media highlighted the adverse effects, including muscle pains, of statins following an article in the British Medical Journal². An estimated 200,000 patients stopped taking statins within six months of the story being published, many due to adverse reactions. There was also an increase in the number of adverse reaction reports of rhabdomyolysis with statins during this time. This incident has since been attributed to the nocebo effect¹.

part of the problem here in Australia is Scott Morrison who has not been forthright enough with the public about their duty to the country in dealing with this once in a century pandemic.  Whereas the example set by New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has been exemplary.  She is telling it how it is and has no time for anti-vaxxers imagined feels.

anti-vaxxers

Indeed.

Amazing that all these anti-vaxxers or friends of that ended up getting the vaccine are instantly being diagnosed with heart conditions that will affect their entire life, a process that could take anywhere from a few months at least to years to diagnose and conclude.

In the Pfizer vaccine trials, Phase 1 had 195 rather brave people.

Usually, after that comes Phase 2 followed by Phase 3. But because of “Operation Warpspeed”, these were combined into Phase 2/3.

At page 15 of the protocol for the trials, Phase 3 was designed to have a total 43,998 participants (21,999 vaccine recipients, the rest being placebos), but the Pfizer website says there were eventually 46,331 participants.

https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial

However, in the end, actually, there were no placebos, because everyone was given the vaccines. Pfizer reasoned that it was immoral to withhold the vaccine from people having Covid.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni

So from a Phase 1 group of 195, and a combined Phase 2/3 group of 46,331, how many died?

In November 2021, under court order using Freedom of Information, the following secret Pfizer document, at Table 1, 2nd last line, refers to 1,223 deaths.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

If you do the calculation, that is 1 in 38 people died during the Pfizer vaccine trials.

You might say we’re not seeing that in society in our vaccine rollout. But we sure are seeing a massive number of side effects that the authorities and Media are denying being linked to the vaccines. And what if there is future long-term damage from vaccines that produced 1 death in 38 people during the trials?

As an example of the type of damage that Australian and New Zealand authorities say was not caused by the vaccine, search for the video of Auckland 23 year old woman Casey Hodgkinson.

The above links are to Pfizer's own documents, so you cannot say it is misinformation.

My god you are so stupid it hurts.

this applies

What's funny/sad is he is probably on other sites like welovetrump.com telling randoms how he is owning us with facts :hehe:

On that, poor Trump aha.
He so badly wanted this to be the Trumpcine and get all the credit for saving America with the operation warpspeed quoted above.
I don't think even HE knew how insane his supporters were.


Old news but I still think of this sometimes and laugh:

"I believe totally in your freedoms, I do, you gotta do what you gotta do, but I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It's good," Trump said, eleciting brief boos from his supporters.

"That's OK, that's all right," the former president added. "But I happen to take the vaccine. If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know. But it is working. You do have your freedoms, you have to maintain that."

For the record I quoted this from Fox so JohnSmith can't call it fake news :D

Hey, I agree the data sounds out of this world. But you can see the data for yourself in the Pfizer links I gave.

Phase 3:

43,998 participants eventually 46,331 participants

1,223 deaths.

School mathematics, 46,331 divided by 1,223 is 37.8

That means, if you participated in the Pfizer Covid vaccine trials, you had a 1 in 38 chance of dying.

I dare you to show me where, at least on the data from the Pfizer trials, where that calculation is wrong.

See Dr. Peter McCullough’s speech at the 78th Annual Meeting of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) dated 1 October 2021. He said when he has been in charge of FDA committees that approve new medicines, if there were 50 deaths, they shut down the program. Hence he is really aghast that they have gone ahead with these Covid vaccines, even with the high trials deaths numbers, simply because of the urgency of the Covid pandemic.

The link you provided isn't the phase 3 trial.  Its the 42,000-odd reported adverse events following authorisation of Pfizer use from November 2020 through to February 2021. Note that all 42,000 are categorised into recovered/ still recovering/ deaths etc.  

The table shows the 42k reported adverse events from what was probably 100 million plus recipients!!!  Even then, the reported adverse events are not directly attributed to the vaccine.  

Get a bloody grip on reality.  

If you want to be a person that has a grip, check your facts.

The Pfizer document below is entitled, "CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF … ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS … RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021"

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

The Pfizer website says the Phase 3 Trials were conducted in 2nd half of 2020, resulting in the emergency approval from UK and US received by mid-December 2020. Hence, the above report of pre-28 February 2021 covers the Phase 3 trials that were used to gain the Emergency Use Authorisation.

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial

In Table 1 at page 7 of the above document, it states that the number of adverse events was 42,086. That is inside the total Phase 3 trial numbers of 46,331 stated on the above Pfizer webpage "about our landmark trial". If you know anything about Phase 1, 2 and 3 trials, you don't get to that large number of participants until at least Phase 3.

So the 1,223 fatalities mentioned in Table 1 do pertain to the Phase 3 trials.

You can't just dismiss and insult people. You have to back it up with a grasp of the data.

I am guessing you're not going bother checking any of the above links, so here is the statement from the above Pfizer website:

"ABOUT OUR LANDMARK TRIAL The Phase 3 clinical trial was designed to determine if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective in preventing COVID-19 disease. This trial began July 27, 2020, and completed enrollment of 46,331 participants in January 2021. On November 18, Pfizer and BioNTech announced that, after conducting the primary efficacy analysis, their mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine met all of the study’s primary efficacy endpoints. On December 2, 2020, the Medicines & Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the U.K. authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use, marking the first Emergency Use Authorization following a worldwide Phase 3 trial of a vaccine to help fight the pandemic. Shortly after on December 11, 2020, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use."

In other words, all this is before the date of 28 Feb 2021 which is the period covered by the report that gives 1,223 deaths.