Hi Monoethnic Social Club,

As the post was only used to be a guide and model of misconduct its posting is allowed. The legal issues behind this is: in your case it was not allowed because it did not show clear disapproval from a representative of the site. I would have preferred to keep your posts and replies but it has been used in cases to sucessfully imply defamation.

Ah fair enough!

if there are 1000 croatians and 1000 greeks are turning up for souths and knights it does sound mad to not have them and any other npl club of similar stature form a full professional second division since we are so desperate for clubs for young players to go 

Ummmm, I don't have legal background like yourself ( I once shagged a legal secretary though)  but how is this any different to your post previous where you actually quote what Muz said?  Different rules for different posters I guess?

This is INDEED racial profiling of the highest order and absolutely disgusting and abhorrent behaviour. Implying that a troublesome individual is only such because of the ethnicity of his or her parents and then at the same time pretending to be some sort of champion of women's rights, the black lives matter movement and the freedom fighting Ukrainian patriots is borderline. 
I feel both defamed and discriminated against and would like to file for punative action against the defendant Muz as I had the misfortune of being exposed to his loathsome comments and they hurt my feelings.  As a disciplinary action I would demand that he be forced to attend a minimum of 5 NPL fixtures involving only clubs once banned from using their preferred club names by the, thankfully, now repealed NCIP.
Thank you your honour.

Hi Monoethnic Social Club,

The response was deleted because it contained within it the material quoted in my previous post. 

Why was my response to Muz deleted?

Hi Muz,

I respect your opinion and realise I am a relative newcomer to many on here. I was made a Moderator on here without ever asking to be one simply because I reported one issue. I attempted to formally resign a number of years ago but recieved no response and I remain Moderator.

I come from a legal background. Once I returned a few days ago, and my account became active, I then once again had a legal duty to this site and to remove any potentially defamatory or discriminatory content I saw. I have this duty for the sole fact that the powers I was given have not been removed. 

What you said and I quote:
 "It IS your Greeks, Serbs, Macs, Cros that are the major source of drama here 9 times out of 10."
First of all this is a violation of the Forum's internal rules, more specifically on Discrimination.
Second it could  be viewed as racial profiling and is also potentially defamatory.

I remind you and all members of the forum the rules and regulations of the Forum found here: 
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1569279/FORUM-RULES-REGULATIONS

Terms and Conditions of using the site found here:
https://www.nextmedia.com.au/terms-conditions/

What a fucking joke. You've turned up here after God knows how long away and immediately start throwing your weight around. 

'Discriminatory and defamatory' your words, my arse.

The facts are if there's crowd trouble in the NPL it's generally because of clubs with Croatian, Greek, Macedonian or Serbian supporters.

That's the facts. They might be uncomfortable facts but they're definitely not defamatory or discriminatory my ring.

Head on back to your CCM forum and leave us alone.

Hi Grazorblade, I won't repeat what was said but it went against the rules of the site and was also potentially defamatory.

Can you give a gist of what u said?

Hi Muz, I have sent you an private message detailing the reasons.

I think there's only a couple of mods left and they can't be bothered arguing with anyone about rights or wrongs.

Next thing, one day you'll just find you've been banned.

This also occurred in Tasmania, with Football Tas having live streams. 

Personally, it is so much better being at the live game - as long as one has a good viewing seat.

Why did my comments get deleted?

its the right idea done badly

At least some of these clubs seem to have football specific stadiums and a large social media following.

if u have that and crowds already around a thousand when the pandemic clears up, that should be a big enough support base to have a full time professional team (say fifteen players and a coach on at least federal minimum wage). If there are already around 8 teams like that, a second division with those teams would surely already average 1500+ given there should be a boost from a better competition

if that’s  the case, surely we can just do a second division that is financially viable and full time set up quite quickly?

perhaps im overestimating the support for the bigger npl clubs though

Why 1,000 ?

@ midfielder,  I read one of the reports on optussport they have on the state of the game and it had Danny Townsend saying how good Keepup website is for Australian football.  It is absolutely horrible!
Cannot believe the group thinking emerging from the FA.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

I'd like to see the older NSL, now NPL clubs, included in the mainstream football milieu.

I'm not 'anti-ethnic' football club. I was a Technical Director of  what was considered to be a traditional  NPL club - with strong ethnic roots to a European country. 

Spectators banned for all MV's NPL 3 games, over to you Sutherlanbear to blame the effniks for this as well.....

Temporary restriction on NPLM 3 attendance: Springvale White Eagles FC and Melbourne Victory FC matches

• All home matches for SWE and MVFC will be played as closed door matches, with no spectators permitted to attend from either the home or away teams.

• All away matches for each team will proceed as fixtured, however only spectators connected to the home teams will be permitted to attend. No spectators aligned to SWE or MVFC will be permitted at matches.

The period of the Interim Suspension Order will not last beyond the date upon which any investigation or any subsequent Tribunal proceedings are concluded.FV will not be making any further comment in relation to this matter until the investigation has been completed.


https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/news/temporary-restriction-nplm-3-attendance-springvale-white-eagles-fc-and-melbourne-victory-fc

And yet you imply that these posters are fans of their respective clubs because of a sense of "patriotism"? Have you discussed this with them personally or just making the same old divisive FFA "effnik sokkah" assumptions?

Pretty bang on post Mid.... especially the last two lines.

Sorry mate, I dont know much about the historical ethnic tension between Croatian and North Macedonian football fans. From what I understand its a bit of shithousery based on both being decently supported clubs and ethnicity has nothing to do with it..... Should change your quote to " young football fans don't know how to behave themselves" but that doesn't suit your white Australia policy I suppose?

gawd Sutho, as you well know “It‘s the morons that spoil things for the rest of us. This was a very small percentage of people at the ground.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-news-2021-rockdale-ilinden-fc-sydney-united-58-fc-brawl-footage-fans-banned-from-stadium/news-story/8561a28f214ae93ed5313db74f0f7ca9
Above from one article and many know those causing the troubles were not regular supporters but typical lost millineals.
By the way good that both Clubs acted on it and have paid the price in fines/points and granted any 2022 game would be behind closed doors, justice had been served whats your prob.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-football-stabbing-rockdale-fight-erupts-after-soccer-match/f3fbc50b-2676-473b-a421-97f5a2ef7584
These types ruin a good day all over the football world to date no matter the background, timid compared to whats occured in the good ol firm derbies eh. Oh buts thats different I expect.

I quoted few years ago I won't go to anymore wsw/sfc derbies especially at parra.
The behaviour stinks talking about can't behave, when the rbb we're at their peak it wasn't about football - turn it up.

This weekend in the NSW NPL in the Rockdale v Sydney United ( Croatia) match the attendance will be NIL as our ethnic cousins can't behave themselves.

This would best be answered by MONO, over to you big man.

HHHHHHHmmmmmmm

Part of Footballs issues over the decades is the one up-man-ship .....

I can't stand NSL folk almost willing the A-L to fall over.... equally I can't stand people wanting the former NSL sides to fall over....

The truth as I see it is many if not most Football folk in Australia see our issues as not only easy to fix ... but with simple ideas .... and then we compare ourselves to Europe and South America ... anyone who even suggests our sporting environment is a tad different is quickly told we are not unique or similar....

The very simple if unpleasant truth is the mix of teams in the NSL was never ever going to get main stream support no matter how successful...

We don't have a community support in professional Australian Football..

The world is in the grip of ‘you don’t need to understand to manage’.

Specialists versus generalists. Each only sees the lack of their expertise in the other.

The ancients moved in tribes because all skills were needed to survive. Industrialisation accelerated the way we could all work separately, but together as a society.

Technology has enabled large numbers of people to survive without understanding how anything works, and forget how each of us still relies on many others?

It certainly allows senior executives to think they know what is going on ‘at the coalface’. The humble dashboard somehow became the Holy Grail.

Fundamentally APL, FA , State Feds,&  NPL [as well] use their power and influence, together with corporate BS and safety in numbers, to bamboozle the Football community. Failures are translated into successes, or reinterpreted as events beyond their control. Ineptitude is just covered up.

If pushed, as in the need to publish annual reports, performance is measured against fast moving goalposts, instead of a five-year strategic plan.

The victim is the Football community, many of us stoically continuing to support both professional and community Football. The community has no voice, and is too geographically and demographically diverse to reach, APL, FA & State Feds platforms.

The people running the game think differently. They’re all about the corporate image, branding, performance indicators, revenue streams, managing outcomes, profit yields, the corporate family, marketing, all stuff that is important to them but you wonder the relevance of it to the rest of us. Professional administrators speak a different language.

Football in Australia doesn’t need saving, it operates and flourishes at all levels expect the “professional level”.

Professional Football in Australia at all levels, needs to understand they need community Football to support them and they do SFA to get that support.

Interesting post.

I seem to remember a massive South Melbourne thread that seemed to go for years!

One guy on here was a professional football scout, and was a passionate South M fan.

There is another who still posts, who is also a passionate South Melb fan, and, who was, could still be, a NPL club President for another Victorian club.

I agree with Johnny last Saturday night there would have been maybe 400 at South v Hume .... and thats counting the canteen ladies,  Dont think its just covid but the cold winters and indifferent comp has killed whatever good will the fans had left.... First 3 or 4 rounds when the weather is good are usually decent crowds and derbies in VIC can get 2 to 3000 crowd depending on who is playing  but a freezing Sat night in industrial Broadmeadows kills the attendance. In saying that, there is life in some of these old girls yet and I believe that on a good day Melb Knights, Heidelberg, Dandenong Thunder, Preston Lions, and of course South can average 1000 even without NSD, with it then could be double or triple what WU and  Macarthur average, and if any of these clubs where in the Aleague, then would be a lot healthier still....

Nothing worse than feigned empathy Decentric...