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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]You gotta love Sydney United fans… They didn’t boo the welcome to country they booed the opposition.. They weren’t Nazi salutes they were waving hi to their nonnas… They weren’t chanting za don spremni they were singing “ we adore Sydney” They weren’t cans of zyklon b they were collecting money for charity… Does anyone honestly think certain Aleague fan groups would NOT have openly booed a middle aged bird waffling on about stuff they have no interest in? The same bloke who whinges like a crazy dog because his sad little ethnic team can't play in the top tier of football complains about our indigenous people having a right to have a say. Says everything about you. Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart? Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens....
There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory).
I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim.
Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun.
Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people.
Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max....
You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity.
NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie.
In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness"
My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have.
We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out.
I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo..
I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly.
Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better.
Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism.
You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism.
Blow me another one arsewipe.
I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?:
"The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for "ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. "
Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe.
I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League.
Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick.
Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend.
I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos.
You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club.
The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!!
Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL
The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion)
The Zionist Council of Australia
The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry
The Hellenic Club ACT
All independent and private Schools and Universities
Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities.
FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate.
Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo.
Th Catholic church should be shut down !
WOW.
should mosques as well?
Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life. [/quote]Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 Trev, let this one go mate.....
I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍  [/quote]Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting. Albert Einstein - believed in a high power due to the universe being way to complicated to just happen.....i do not think he was a 'crap scientists' - the 'smartest' people know how to check their own bias verse 'facts' your lecturer is clearly not to bright and lacks self critic - like 'most' people working in universities these days they are hard left wingers
these Kangaroos can play football -
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Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰
Well balin, you are stupid.
Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 [/quote]Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting. [/quote]Albert Einstein - believed in a high power due to the universe being way to complicated to just happen.....i do not think he was a 'crap scientists' - the 'smartest' people know how to check their own bias verse 'facts' your lecturer is clearly not to bright and lacks self critic - like 'most' people working in universities these days they are hard left wingers What do you mean by "verse"? Please check other thread with Matilda's Gk article.
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Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰
Well balin, you are stupid.
Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 [/quote]Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting. [/quote]I understand that scientist’s point - but scientific theories must eventually be proven with/as facts - otherwise they are simply not proven to be true.
How did we get onto this subject? That data is interesting as the younger cohort is more religious than the older cohort -opposite of the trend in wider society. Some of that could be a career stage effect and prt of that could reflect a trend in philosophy and science. The collapse of logical positivism led to a revival in the philosophy of religion and people exposed to the best academic philosophical arguments for and against religion are slightly more likely to make you convert from atheism to being religious than vice versa. Second, a hundred years ago the main issue that became relevant to the dialogue between science and religion was evolution, which is ultimately more surprising given theism than atheism. Since then, evidence has accumulated that the Universe began to exist and was fine tuned for life which are both more surprising for atheism than theism. None of these are knock down arguments but tend to appear as part of a cumulative case for or against religion
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Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰
Well balin, you are stupid.
Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 [/quote]Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting. [/quote]Albert Einstein - believed in a high power due to the universe being way to complicated to just happen.....i do not think he was a 'crap scientists' - the 'smartest' people know how to check their own bias verse 'facts' your lecturer is clearly not to bright and lacks self critic - like 'most' people working in universities these days they are hard left wingers Davstar - I think you have read my comment in exactly the opposite way to what I thought I had posted. Please re-read it and check your assumption of disagreement at the door. I have also heard of a monkey being observed bowing to a waterfall - the inference being that the monkey had the higher thought processes to recognise a greater 'being'. Totally irrelevant to this totally irrelevant discussion - but also interesting.
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Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰
Well balin, you are stupid.
Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 [/quote]Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting. [/quote]I understand that scientist’s point - but scientific theories must eventually be proven with/as facts - otherwise they are simply not proven to be true.
They remain unproven if facts cannot be found - not disproved though. Whole beauty of science. If something fails a test it can only really be ruled out in those specific circumstances and may still remain true in other untested circumstances. As much as I mock 'aliens are among us' - there is more and more anecdotal evidence to suggest that 'something' else exists that we are, for the main part, blissfully unaware of. Cannot prove yet does not mean 'does not exist'.
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Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life.
Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 Trev, let this one go mate..... [/quote]I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about.
I found that interesting. Albert Einstein - believed in a high power due to the universe being way to complicated to just happen.....i do not think he was a 'crap scientists' - the 'smartest' people know how to check their own bias verse 'facts' your lecturer is clearly not to bright and lacks self critic - like 'most' people working in universities these days they are hard left wingers [/quote]Davstar - I think you have read my comment in exactly the opposite way to what I thought I had posted. Please re-read it and check your assumption of disagreement at the door. I have also heard of a monkey being observed bowing to a waterfall - the inference being that the monkey had the higher thought processes to recognise a greater 'being'. Totally irrelevant to this totally irrelevant discussion - but also interesting. That does sound interesting. The field of cognitive science of religion has tried to give an evolutionary account of why people become religious. Lately the field of cognitive science of religion has tested which factors predict whether someone becomes either religious or spirtiual but not religious. Popular theories such as hyperactive agency detection do not predict whether someone becomes theist or spiritual. However, the belief that the mind and brain are distinct is one of only two predictors, with the other weaker predictor being teleological instincts. The total number of spiritual and religious people in a subculture can be predicted by the mind body dualists pretty well. Whether people become spiritual or religious seems to be reasonably well predicted by people having positive or negative interactions with religious people, with positive interactions mostly mattering if the religious person in some ways acts religious in a way that carries a high personal cost
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I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 [/quote]Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔
Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍 [/quote] Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting.
Albert Einstein - believed in a high power due to the universe being way to complicated to just happen.....i do not think he was a 'crap scientists' - the 'smartest' people know how to check their own bias verse 'facts'
your lecturer is clearly not to bright and lacks self critic - like 'most' people working in universities these days they are hard left wingers
Davstar - I think you have read my comment in exactly the opposite way to what I thought I had posted. Please re-read it and check your assumption of disagreement at the door. I have also heard of a monkey being observed bowing to a waterfall - the inference being that the monkey had the higher thought processes to recognise a greater 'being'. Totally irrelevant to this totally irrelevant discussion - but also interesting. [/quote]That does sound interesting. The field of cognitive science of religion has tried to give an evolutionary account of why people become religious. Lately the field of cognitive science of religion has tested which factors predict whether someone becomes either religious or spirtiual but not religious. Popular theories such as hyperactive agency detection do not predict whether someone becomes theist or spiritual. However, the belief that the mind and brain are distinct is one of only two predictors, with the other weaker predictor being teleological instincts. The total number of spiritual and religious people in a subculture can be predicted by the mind body dualists pretty well. Whether people become spiritual or religious seems to be reasonably well predicted by people having positive or negative interactions with religious people, with positive interactions mostly mattering if the religious person in some ways acts religious in a way that carries a high personal cost I am out of my depth with a lot of your words and concepts - but in my terms a lot of children are brought up believing what they are told about religion. As they experience events, both positive and negative ('like the Australia Cup', he said; keeping it relevant), they question and reaffirm or reject those initial teachings time and again. Many end up in the middle ground of believing in 'something' (like supporting Macarthur or SU58) but not in the church. Ties in a bit with your last para, but more importantly reflects the subject of this thread again. ;)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]You gotta love Sydney United fans… They didn’t boo the welcome to country they booed the opposition.. They weren’t Nazi salutes they were waving hi to their nonnas… They weren’t chanting za don spremni they were singing “ we adore Sydney” They weren’t cans of zyklon b they were collecting money for charity… Does anyone honestly think certain Aleague fan groups would NOT have openly booed a middle aged bird waffling on about stuff they have no interest in? The same bloke who whinges like a crazy dog because his sad little ethnic team can't play in the top tier of football complains about our indigenous people having a right to have a say. Says everything about you. Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart? Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life.
Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔 Trev, let this one go mate..... [/quote]I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍
Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about.
I found that interesting. I understand that scientist’s point - but scientific theories must eventually be proven with/as facts - otherwise they are simply not proven to be true.
[/quote]Cannot prove yet does not mean 'does not exist'. Cannot prove yet - to me means it’s extremely unlikely to exist. Otherwise anything goes! For example I could preach that i believe in the easter bunny and that even though I cannot prove yet - I still believe it exists! Same as a god to me. Where does it end… if a mathematics genius or scientist can produce an equation or some other unquestionable proof that a god exists THEN i will listen
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]You gotta love Sydney United fans… They didn’t boo the welcome to country they booed the opposition.. They weren’t Nazi salutes they were waving hi to their nonnas… They weren’t chanting za don spremni they were singing “ we adore Sydney” They weren’t cans of zyklon b they were collecting money for charity… Does anyone honestly think certain Aleague fan groups would NOT have openly booed a middle aged bird waffling on about stuff they have no interest in? The same bloke who whinges like a crazy dog because his sad little ethnic team can't play in the top tier of football complains about our indigenous people having a right to have a say. Says everything about you. Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart? Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 [/quote]Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔
Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍 [/quote] Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting.
I understand that scientist’s point - but scientific theories must eventually be proven with/as facts - otherwise they are simply not proven to be true.
Cannot prove yet does not mean 'does not exist'. [/quote]Cannot prove yet - to me means it’s extremely unlikely to exist. Otherwise anything goes! For example I could preach that i believe in the easter bunny and that even though I cannot prove yet - I still believe it exists! Same as a god to me. Where does it end… if a mathematics genius or scientist can produce an equation or some other unquestionable proof that a god exists THEN i will listen All good mate - I am not trying to preach either way on this. Just find it interesting. One day though, when they find petrified remains of a giant rabbit with cocoa in its droppings you are going to feel mighty confused.
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+xAt least we can establish: multiple nazi salutes Ustashi flags nazi Germany motifs repurposed as Sydney Croatia fan banners No care to see here for this picked on group of poor blokes. Also thousands chanting "za dom spremni", which is an unambiguously fascist slogan.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]+x[quote]You gotta love Sydney United fans… They didn’t boo the welcome to country they booed the opposition.. They weren’t Nazi salutes they were waving hi to their nonnas… They weren’t chanting za don spremni they were singing “ we adore Sydney” They weren’t cans of zyklon b they were collecting money for charity… Does anyone honestly think certain Aleague fan groups would NOT have openly booed a middle aged bird waffling on about stuff they have no interest in? The same bloke who whinges like a crazy dog because his sad little ethnic team can't play in the top tier of football complains about our indigenous people having a right to have a say. Says everything about you. Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart? Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out. I think you need to jump on the internet and actually understand what "multiculturalism" is turbo.. I know its a big word but to dumb it down for you it you actually need "multiple" "cultures" celebrating themselves to work correctly. Suppressing cultural expression of self identity is actually the Opposite of what you think you are portraying... do better. Oh my, rich, me going to football with people of multiple backgrounds, talking football, World cup & cheering for my local Aussie team is not multiculturalism. You wanting Australian football to allow you to go to the football with all your Greek friends, eating Souvlaki, chanting Hellas & discussing your next trip to Athens is multiculturalism. Blow me another one arsewipe. I aint touching you with a 40 foot pole you dirty old Neanderthall. Yes both your attempts at sentences above are EXACTLY what I am saying.... Learn a little bit about the topic you are trying to argue before making yourself look even more disgusting than you are. Ill give you the basic Wikepedia definition as anything a little more evolved may melt your tiny little mind and that of your imaginary polyethnic friends. Those last 7 words must really be hard to understand eh?: "The term multiculturalism has a range of meanings within the contexts of sociology, political philosophy, and colloquial use. In sociology and in everyday usage, it is a synonym for " ethnic pluralism", with the two terms often used interchangeably, and for cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic groups collaborate and enter into a dialogue with one another without having to sacrifice their particular identities. " Wow, you got me. Go & enjoy your Greek food, don't forget the ouzo (love Ouzo) with your Greek club, playing other Greek clubs in the little Vic NPL. Enjoy arsewipe. I enjoy my form of multiculturalism with at the World Cup, where we can enjoy football from 32 different nations & I'll enjoy Aussie football in the A-League. Wonderful to hear such inclusive "welcome to country" sentiments from a true Australian.... I hope the hate dies with your generation, you make me sick. Chill out dude, get with the 21st century, it's the A-League, stop living your daddy's dreams. You must've been about 2 or 3 years old when the NSL finished going by your juvenile 'if I don't have it my way I'm not playing' comments. I pity your first girlfriend. I accept what is with football in this country, I followed the NSL, I didn't follow a team, but I followed the players, now I follow the A-League & I have a team in Sydney FC. But always I followed football in this country especially the Socceroos. You can follow whoever or whatever you like, thats not the point. Doesn't matter how old I am or what "my daddy's dreams" were (pretty sad attempt to insult btw) it IS the 21st century and we live in a wonderfull country, one which endorses the principle of multiculturalism and defends the rights of its citizens to establish those institutions they want/need to express those principles. If you dont want to associate with one of them or any of them and just support the indigenous cause thats your right (nobody gives a fuck) but that doesnt mean you can call for the ones you dont like/support to be abolished or to not be included in mainstream Australia.. If the guys at Edensor Park see themselves and their culture in a certain way who are any of us to judge that? Ok, there are certain, openly hostile, offensive and dangerous ideologies which should be illegal- the club themselves denounce fascism and the Ustase, as they should and there is a certain level of respect ALL of our society demands, but just because you think fascism is bad or you just don't like slavic people that doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to disband their club. The MOST dangerous ideology though is the one you practice with your multi ethnic friends. I dont give a shit what Frank Lowy told you but your Greek, Croatian, Serbian, Spanish, Uruguayan, Hungarian and Zulu friends do NOT have to give up their identities to be "good little mainstream Aussies" asking them to do that is ILLEGAL, immoral and just plain shit!!!!!!!!! Whether you understand it or not (and I think you do but its all about defending that Aleague plasticness with most of you) the below are ALL perfectly valid examples of institutions which would fail in Australia if our society insisted on the assimilation you want to impose on my "shitty Greek club" and the other "Mediterranean Clubs" in the NPL The Catholic Church (actually most churches and mosques and temples would struggle to survive it they all had to practice one state approved religion) The Zionist Council of Australia The Italian Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry The Hellenic Club ACT All independent and private Schools and Universities Catholic and Independent Hospitals, Aged Care Facilities and Charities. FFS cant be bothered typing anymore ... there are literally thousands of groups, each set up by an ethnic group, a religious group, a group of people who identify their sexuality in a particular way, whatever....... they ALL contribute to mainstream society and they ALL (according to the laws of Parliament) deserve the full protection of the law and the support of government institutions and infrastructure around that to allow them to operate. Don't bother replying, your'e position is indefensible and you know it... Getting "holier than though" about respecting indigenous rape victims and not sitting on the bus and then outright racially discriminating against football clubs because you dont agree with multiculturalism and want to "do it your way and follow players not clubs" pffft whatever turbo. Th Catholic church should be shut down ! WOW. should mosques as well? Each to their own. But in 2022 I can’t fathom how educated adults can STILL believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky - and his churches need tax free money 💰 [/quote]Well balin, you are stupid. Have a beer son, this is your best life. Have you EVER met or known a highly intelligent adult that is also highly religious too?! Can’t say i have 🤔 and yes I’ve met/known plenty of intelligent people and NONE of them are religious 🤔
Trev, let this one go mate..... I’m happy for people to ‘prove’ me wrong. Now for example that Scomo was highly intelligent and religious 👍 [/quote] Someone I know went to a lecture by a prominent scientist and the lecture started with the question along the lines of 'how many of you believe in something greater than mankind'. He went on to say that those who had no belief (God or otherwise) were going to be crap scientists - because having belief in something beyond 'what we know for fact' was a key element of being open to the unknown - which is really what scientific research is about. I found that interesting.
I understand that scientist’s point - but scientific theories must eventually be proven with/as facts - otherwise they are simply not proven to be true.
Cannot prove yet does not mean 'does not exist'. [/quote]Cannot prove yet - to me means it’s extremely unlikely to exist. Otherwise anything goes! For example I could preach that i believe in the easter bunny and that even though I cannot prove yet - I still believe it exists! Same as a god to me. Where does it end… if a mathematics genius or scientist can produce an equation or some other unquestionable proof that a god exists THEN i will listen This is retelling of logical positivism - the view that we should only believe empirically verifiable claims.
Logical positivism comes in multiple forms as there were many attempts to make this work. Maybe only empircally verifiable claims are true, maybe only empircally verifiable claims are likely, maybe empirically verifiable claims are the only meaningful claims. If any of these are true you can argue that atheism reduces to lacktheism - a lack of belief in God(s) and should be a default position.
None of these ended up working and logical positivism collapsed in philosophy, despite many ingenious people trying to make it work. Note that as a result Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy defining atheism now as one who defends the proposition that there is no God. The most sophisticated atheists these days make their arguments less from a position of logical positivism (lacktheism) but by making a case from evil, divine hiddenness and arguing that either naturalism or non theistic but non naturalist world views do a better job explaining the world than the alternatives.
As to why logical positivism fails, that is a technical subject that is difficult to summarize as it took decades before it was abandoned by people who think about it all day every day as a career. However, a (vastly) simplified summary is that logical positivism needs to work in all possible worlds in order to be successful. However, it seems trivially easy to imagine a world where something is true, meaningful and not empirically verifiable. If moral realism is true in one possible world, then moral facts are an example of something true, meaningful and not empirically verifiable. If solopsism is false and dualism is true, then other minds existing other than your own is true, important, meaningful and not empirically verifiable. If people have spiritual or religious experience that are both real and correlate to brain states, then that is true, meaningful and not empirically verifiable. If we do not live in a matrix but have a real physical world, then that is a truth that is not verifiable but meaningful and important to believe. Ironically, logical positivism itself is a principle that is not verifiable. So if it is true in our world there is no way of believing it consistently with the constraints logical positivism puts on you unless it is true in all possible worlds.
You can try and salvage logical positivism by showing that logical positivism can be reframed to survive these (and many other) issues. But once you get into the weeds things just seem to get worse and worse. Of course there is nothing stopping a curious and passionate person such as yourself enrolling in a philosophy program and trying to resurrect logical positivism- a lot of atheists in philosophy would love logical positivism to at least be plausible. But for now, logical positivism is dead
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+x+xWait - let me get this right... if you criticise people who are being nazis and singing things like Kill Kill Kill Serbs/ferociously publically supporting a murderous and genocidal regime You are denying them their right to spew hate towards other ethnicities...this means you're only criticising them because of their ethnicity. WOW - THAT IS A NEW FOR AUSSIE FOOTBALL. No one sang Kill Serbs though did they? Most of the accusations are lies. they like to bring up history, but "Selective" history....
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+x+x+xWait - let me get this right... if you criticise people who are being nazis and singing things like Kill Kill Kill Serbs/ferociously publically supporting a murderous and genocidal regime You are denying them their right to spew hate towards other ethnicities...this means you're only criticising them because of their ethnicity. WOW - THAT IS A NEW FOR AUSSIE FOOTBALL. No one sang Kill Serbs though did they? Most of the accusations are lies. they like to bring up history, but "Selective" history.... Nor sure if you read this mate but what do you think, as a Croatian Australian? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Ym5QuadDuh9VWpaD1eJfs3V7vmYRksUdofZW6CZd93qvjTEXyfBUaBhshWM8jDdul&id=100063520031720Its all noise for the "effnik" hating new dawn dickheads but any reasonable posters care to have a read?
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+x+x+x+xWait - let me get this right... if you criticise people who are being nazis and singing things like Kill Kill Kill Serbs/ferociously publically supporting a murderous and genocidal regime You are denying them their right to spew hate towards other ethnicities...this means you're only criticising them because of their ethnicity. WOW - THAT IS A NEW FOR AUSSIE FOOTBALL. No one sang Kill Serbs though did they? Most of the accusations are lies. they like to bring up history, but "Selective" history.... Nor sure if you read this mate but what do you think, as a Croatian Australian? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Ym5QuadDuh9VWpaD1eJfs3V7vmYRksUdofZW6CZd93qvjTEXyfBUaBhshWM8jDdul&id=100063520031720Its all noise for the "effnik" hating new dawn dickheads but any reasonable posters care to have a read? Hard to read because it's formatted for a mobile. Here's a version that you can read on your PC. https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Ym5QuadDuh9VWpaD1eJfs3V7vmYRksUdofZW6CZd93qvjTEXyfBUaBhshWM8jDdul&id=100063520031720
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I think it was silly including the concept of "we did not boo the welcome to country - but if we had it was OK because...". I am not disputing the facts of it, but it was silly to not just leave it as "we did not boo the welcome to country". Adding a political slant to the rebuttal undermines the message because it opens the door to thoughts that maybe people did boo it after all. The historic nature of the chants and messages in themselves are OK in principle - but they open the Croatian community to "leave your wars at the border and don't them with you" sentiment. To say that they were historic Croatian chants (apologies if that term belittles their meaning) before any Nazi/Fascist usage is a bit naive. The hijacking of the fylflot by Nazis in the form of their swastika is an example where current recognition exceeds historical usage. I openly admit to having bugger all knowledge and understanding of Croatian history - so to my ignorant ears, chants and symbolism which are labelled as fascist and/or nazism will always resonate negatively with me - regardless of any previous/historic usage before it was adopted or usurped by evil. To deny the logical train of thought from chants to symbolism to dickheads making nazi salutes is incredibly naive. The statement, to me, could have weighed in more heavily on how those actions need to be exposed and followed up so individuals know they are not going to be protected by the community - and are actually going to be outed by the community to stop it happening again. Lost opportunity there.
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+xI think it was silly including the concept of "we did not boo the welcome to country - but if we had it was OK because...". I am not disputing the facts of it, but it was silly to not just leave it as "we did not boo the welcome to country". Adding a political slant to the rebuttal undermines the message because it opens the door to thoughts that maybe people did boo it after all. The historic nature of the chants and messages in themselves are OK in principle - but they open the Croatian community to "leave your wars at the border and don't them with you" sentiment. To say that they were historic Croatian chants (apologies if that term belittles their meaning) before any Nazi/Fascist usage is a bit naive. The hijacking of the fylflot by Nazis in the form of their swastika is an example where current recognition exceeds historical usage. I openly admit to having bugger all knowledge and understanding of Croatian history - so to my ignorant ears, chants and symbolism which are labelled as fascist and/or nazism will always resonate negatively with me - regardless of any previous/historic usage before it was adopted or usurped by evil. To deny the logical train of thought from chants to symbolism to dickheads making nazi salutes is incredibly naive. The statement, to me, could have weighed in more heavily on how those actions need to be exposed and followed up so individuals know they are not going to be protected by the community - and are actually going to be outed by the community to stop it happening again. Lost opportunity there. I get were you are coming from and agree to a point, however bear in mind that this seems to be written from the perspective of a member of the Croatian/Australian Community and NOT from the club itself or anyone associated with the club. Yes symbols are a powerful thing and meanings change all the time... 20 years ago for example the Confederate Flag was a symbol world wide for rebelliousness, pride in poverty and ........ love of the "Dukes of Hazzard" The Rainbow flag was a symbol of "Peace and the Nuclear non-proliferation movement" at least in most of Europe, Shit even the term "Molon Labe" (Come and get them) apparently is now some sort of far right, QAnon redneck American call to arms and no longer a Greek call to a Persian warlord trying to impose tyranny over a democratic people. I am also an outsider looking in and, despite having many Croatian friends and acquaintances, don't have a strong enough understanding of their culture or history to judge the validity of any of this. The one thing I can 100% defend to the death is that a minority of fans throwing Hitler salutes and posing in front of Ustasa symbols does not mean that ALL Croatians are fascists. Just like a bunch of dirty thugs running around the Australian Open wearing Golden Dawn paraphernalia and Hellas Fan Club gear does NOT mean all Greeks are fascist idiots.... Or a bunch of bogans wearing White Pride tops and carrying "Fuck off we're full" signs doesn't mean that every anglo in the country is a redneck racist...... or that every Chinese Australian is a card carrying member of the CCP and on and on... Blaming poor behaviour on somebody's DNA is pretty shit in my book. I believe strongly that, even if there was NO chanting of anything, NO Ustasa symbols on the flags, absolute dead silence during the welcome to country, even if they removed the Croatian coat of arms from their flags, someone in the media would have run that photo of the "husky" chap doing his pre-pubescent "Heil Ceasar" and the outrage and headlines would have been the same. The "Soccer Shame" headlines had already been written before the match, just waiting on the filler details to press "publish" What saddens me most is that innocent average, lovely people would have had uncomfortable conversations with their fellow Australians, having to defend themselves against allegations of "All you Cros are Nazis". AND (not really surprised by this at all) the so called Soccer media in this country, despite more than 50 years of being bashed by the "mainstream media" for being a game for "Sheilas, Wogs and Pooftas" piles onto this instead of defending a proud club.. I know the APL pays their bills but surely they can see past the interest of a bunch of foreign owners for a change and defend, good, hard working Australians....
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+x+xI think it was silly including the concept of "we did not boo the welcome to country - but if we had it was OK because...". I am not disputing the facts of it, but it was silly to not just leave it as "we did not boo the welcome to country". Adding a political slant to the rebuttal undermines the message because it opens the door to thoughts that maybe people did boo it after all. The historic nature of the chants and messages in themselves are OK in principle - but they open the Croatian community to "leave your wars at the border and don't them with you" sentiment. To say that they were historic Croatian chants (apologies if that term belittles their meaning) before any Nazi/Fascist usage is a bit naive. The hijacking of the fylflot by Nazis in the form of their swastika is an example where current recognition exceeds historical usage. I openly admit to having bugger all knowledge and understanding of Croatian history - so to my ignorant ears, chants and symbolism which are labelled as fascist and/or nazism will always resonate negatively with me - regardless of any previous/historic usage before it was adopted or usurped by evil. To deny the logical train of thought from chants to symbolism to dickheads making nazi salutes is incredibly naive. The statement, to me, could have weighed in more heavily on how those actions need to be exposed and followed up so individuals know they are not going to be protected by the community - and are actually going to be outed by the community to stop it happening again. Lost opportunity there. I get were you are coming from and agree to a point, however bear in mind that this seems to be written from the perspective of a member of the Croatian/Australian Community and NOT from the club itself or anyone associated with the club. Yes symbols are a powerful thing and meanings change all the time... 20 years ago for example the Confederate Flag was a symbol world wide for rebelliousness, pride in poverty and ........ love of the "Dukes of Hazzard" The Rainbow flag was a symbol of "Peace and the Nuclear non-proliferation movement" at least in most of Europe, Shit even the term "Molon Labe" (Come and get them) apparently is now some sort of far right, QAnon redneck American call to arms and no longer a Greek call to a Persian warlord trying to impose tyranny over a democratic people. I am also an outsider looking in and, despite having many Croatian friends and acquaintances, don't have a strong enough understanding of their culture or history to judge the validity of any of this. The one thing I can 100% defend to the death is that a minority of fans throwing Hitler salutes and posing in front of Ustasa symbols does not mean that ALL Croatians are fascists. Just like a bunch of dirty thugs running around the Australian Open wearing Golden Dawn paraphernalia and Hellas Fan Club gear does NOT mean all Greeks are fascist idiots.... Or a bunch of bogans wearing White Pride tops and carrying "Fuck off we're full" signs doesn't mean that every anglo in the country is a redneck racist...... or that every Chinese Australian is a card carrying member of the CCP and on and on... Blaming poor behaviour on somebody's DNA is pretty shit in my book. I believe strongly that, even if there was NO chanting of anything, NO Ustasa symbols on the flags, absolute dead silence during the welcome to country, even if they removed the Croatian coat of arms from their flags, someone in the media would have run that photo of the "husky" chap doing his pre-pubescent "Heil Ceasar" and the outrage and headlines would have been the same. The "Soccer Shame" headlines had already been written before the match, just waiting on the filler details to press "publish" What saddens me most is that innocent average, lovely people would have had uncomfortable conversations with their fellow Australians, having to defend themselves against allegations of "All you Cros are Nazis". AND (not really surprised by this at all) the so called Soccer media in this country, despite more than 50 years of being bashed by the "mainstream media" for being a game for "Sheilas, Wogs and Pooftas" piles onto this instead of defending a proud club.. I know the APL pays their bills but surely they can see past the interest of a bunch of foreign owners for a change and defend, good, hard working Australians.... I think I agree with everything you have written here. Would hope you are wrong about the good news game aspect if everything hadn't piled up to be collectively labelled - but I have no faith that you would not be correct either.
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+xI think it was silly including the concept of "we did not boo the welcome to country - but if we had it was OK because...". I am not disputing the facts of it, but it was silly to not just leave it as "we did not boo the welcome to country". Adding a political slant to the rebuttal undermines the message because it opens the door to thoughts that maybe people did boo it after all.
Exactly my thoughts. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but they don't make it easy by tagging on a justification for booing the welcome to country. If you didn't boo it and we're booing the McArthur players, just leave it at that.
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very well written, would be a good eye opener for the many who just read headlines. Good point about Bossa, is he eductated enough one wonders of his own bloodlines.
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https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news/sydney-united-58-fc-sanctioned-australia-cup-final-fan-behaviourCheck the compliance requirements. Hahaha. Geez. In addition to the above immediate sanction, Sydney United has also been issued with several suspended sanctions. These include further fines, significant point deductions in the NPL NSW competition (up to 40 points deducted per sanction) and a suspended participation ban from the Australia Cup in 2023, 2024 and 2025. These suspended sanctions will be triggered if Sydney United 58 FC fails to comply with specific requirements over the next three years. These include:
(a) ongoing volunteer work with the First Nations and Jewish communities
(b) compulsory education and training to counter racism, discrimination, anti-Semitic and other faith-based hatred for the Sydney United 58 FC’s Board, Executive administrators, players, support staff, volunteers, and fan group leaders
(c) compulsory Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultural competency training for the Sydney United 58 FC’s Board, Executive administrators, players, support staff, volunteers, and fan group leaders
(d) implementation of cultural initiatives within Sydney United 58 FC
(e) prescribed standards of behaviour for Sydney United 58 FC supporters in accordance with the Code of Conduct and Ethics.
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+xhttps://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news/sydney-united-58-fc-sanctioned-australia-cup-final-fan-behaviourCheck the compliance requirements. Hahaha. Geez. In addition to the above immediate sanction, Sydney United has also been issued with several suspended sanctions. These include further fines, significant point deductions in the NPL NSW competition (up to 40 points deducted per sanction) and a suspended participation ban from the Australia Cup in 2023, 2024 and 2025. These suspended sanctions will be triggered if Sydney United 58 FC fails to comply with specific requirements over the next three years. These include:
(a) ongoing volunteer work with the First Nations and Jewish communities
(b) compulsory education and training to counter racism, discrimination, anti-Semitic and other faith-based hatred for the Sydney United 58 FC’s Board, Executive administrators, players, support staff, volunteers, and fan group leaders
(c) compulsory Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultural competency training for the Sydney United 58 FC’s Board, Executive administrators, players, support staff, volunteers, and fan group leaders
(d) implementation of cultural initiatives within Sydney United 58 FC
(e) prescribed standards of behaviour for Sydney United 58 FC supporters in accordance with the Code of Conduct and Ethics.
lolololol Is Mel Gibson a Sydney United fan?
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Imagine sending your Cevapi cooker from the canteen or the kit washer off to cultural competency training! Fucking idiots.
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what the FA fail to mention is the "educational" training is only 1 a year for 3 years. i guess our club president can go to the Jewish classes, he is a tight arse.
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+xwhat the FA fail to mention is the "educational" training is only 1 a year for 3 years. i guess our club president can go to the Jewish classes, he is a tight arse. SO EDGY BRO!
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