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+x+xAgree with most of your posts in this thread Davstar. Nazi salutes are a no go zone - those doing so should be banned period, easy enough with cctv coverage to find them. The chanting, I'm at a loss with that one for the Haka was mentioned, a pre going to war ritual that used to have a slit of the throat gesture that was changed in recent times, yet people admire it, I find why have they always had that opportunity pre game and its killing theme even edited. The Welcome opening, with Davstar, why at our sporting venues, its place is at start of every Parliment Fed and State sitting imo and or specific special indigenous occasions not a sporting one. This is bait for the idiot behaviour so avoid it. Booing or anything through anthems, I don't get why anyone can't just STFU and respect, how many times have we heard some idiot/s call things out during anthems. People should be calling those idiots down upon completion more than anything else....... Its something about Australia regards athems, having been to many countries and sporting venues you wouldn't dare behave like that. All what occurred can be dealt with and actions put in place to deal with it in the future, its not the end of the world. Exactly i mean it isn't hard to ban a few people it isn't like they are hiding there 'faces' the level of stupid ive read from hacks in the MSM over lets fact it a big crowd that alright i agree was disrespectful, there was no violence, no arrests etc i mean fuck me how many AFL games have happened were people gone to and some dad gets bashed in front of his kids and media barely talk about it - you got hawthorn f.c telling players to kill there unborn children shit but thats not 'big news' because its white guys with the last name Clarkson doing it so it is ok. GTFO im sick of the bullshit from fans and media - fuk me it was not to long ago the AFL executives were sexually exploiting female underlings now they are 'championing' the womens game. The media wont ever bring that back Talking about the Welcome intro and looking at afl, ol Goodes took himself out of the game due to our well behaving afl victorians...... and what of the Penrith GF winning celebrations once again in disrect of the code,opponent and otherwise. People love getting on their SM horse don't they. By the way don't give roosty or paulc your time he's had a cross to bare over nsl forever. The type of supporter no better than the small % of trouble makers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Its pretty daft to compare Lions with ethnic clubs like South and United. The Dutch community in Brisbane is tiny, there wasnt a Dutch flag, nationalist chant or Nazi symbol to be seen and the boards, juniors and staff were completely diversified. The Dutch element was confined to history rather than being an active presence. Contrast this with United and the Croatia flags, ustasi fascist chants, Sydney Croatia banners, nazi salutes, nationalistic chest beating. Maybe the Dutch community are more welcoming and inclusive than the Croats. Wasn't the inaugural CEO of the Roar a bloke surnamed Oudendyk? Sounds pretty Dutch to me. Also fan-banners in the early years reading 'DUTCH COURAGE'💡 There was/is also my Netherlands flag 🇳🇱 that I use to take with me to games when I use to go with the following printed on it... A-LEAGUE'S
ORIGINEEL ETNISCHE
VOETBALCLUB
Which translates to...
A-LEAGUE'S
ORIGINAL ETHNIC
FOOTBALL CLUB
I made it when Western Sydney came into the A-League 🇳🇱😁😉
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Australia is probably the only country in the football world that has a racist promotion policy. No ‘wog’ club is allowed under any circumstance to be admitted, promoted, invited into its top flight. The door is firmly shut, fuck off basically. When you can barely find a thousand bums to put on seats then your ”racist promotion policy” theory just sounds paranoid and delusional. Having a proud heritage and strong history isnt enough. Naturally a club that is in administration and on the verge of financial collapse wasnt going to be considered for an A league license. Nothing to do with race. 😅 OK, maybe in 2005 after a decade of mismanagemtn in a failing /corrupt league, but what about the last 17 years since? Are you saying that a club with a long term lease at the ONLY stadium in Melbourne outside AAMI, a storied juniors men's and women's academy, strong (although dwindling) fan base and financial backing lining up to invest is more of a FINANCIAL liability than WU or MacArthur or Melbourne Heart etc etc.....?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Its pretty daft to compare Lions with ethnic clubs like South and United. The Dutch community in Brisbane is tiny, there wasnt a Dutch flag, nationalist chant or Nazi symbol to be seen and the boards, juniors and staff were completely diversified. The Dutch element was confined to history rather than being an active presence. Contrast this with United and the Croatia flags, ustasi fascist chants, Sydney Croatia banners, nazi salutes, nationalistic chest beating. Maybe the Dutch community are more welcoming and inclusive than the Croats. Wasn't the inaugural CEO of the Roar a bloke surnamed Oudendyk? Sounds pretty Dutch to me. Also fan-banners in the early years reading 'DUTCH COURAGE'💡 The inaugral Chairman was Ribot, a French name. Deputy Chairman Gary Wilkins. There might have been one or two banners, but thats nothing compared with the hundreds if not thousands of croats singing fascist za Dom Zempri.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies. I agree with that but you can't continue with a 'closed' competition im not saying we need to bring back the NSL but we need to bring back the NSL strcuture ie P/R, Youth Academies etc there are 'established' clubs that have been around for 50 plus years now they clearly know how to survive and in SU58 explain they produce some of the best talent Australia has seen. We need to punish poor behaviour but we should not be allowing a 'few' bad individual destroy what could be a much better set up for the game note this the NSL survived 27 years was played in winter head to head with AFL and NRL could you honestly say the AL would survive if it was played in Winter? once again the numbers as is are baddddd imagine if it had to compete with the big codes?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗 Thanks for the little ray of hope.. Maybe my children's children will one day be considered Aussies?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗 Thanks for the little ray of hope.. Maybe my children's children will one day be considered Aussies? Need to get over the victim mentality. I copped it as a kid but geez it's nothing like it was these days.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies. I agree with that but you can't continue with a 'closed' competition im not saying we need to bring back the NSL but we need to bring back the NSL strcuture ie P/R, Youth Academies etc there are 'established' clubs that have been around for 50 plus years now they clearly know how to survive and in SU58 explain they produce some of the best talent Australia has seen. We need to punish poor behaviour but we should not be allowing a 'few' bad individual destroy what could be a much better set up for the game note this the NSL survived 27 years was played in winter head to head with AFL and NRL could you honestly say the AL would survive if it was played in Winter?
once again the numbers as is are baddddd imagine if it had to compete with the big codes? Sure the A league hasn't seen massive dips when it has coincided with the start of the NRL and AFL seasons. Further the NSL was played for the last 20 years or so in the summer and the crowds were equally shit as they were in the winter. I agree with needing a second division, p and r etc but there can be no place for any form of facism and nazi salutes. The big concern with a club like Utd is the most active and vocal fans were the ones leading the "zo dom spremni" chant. You can always identify and ban individuals but when you have large cohorts of the fans leading fascist chants in multiple sections, there is absolutely zero fucking chance that is compatible with a second division. Only stupid morons with their heads buried in psuedo nationalism would think otherwise. IMO they should ban Syd Utd from the Australia Cup and second division for 5 years, giving Syd Utd 5 years to find a solution to their fascism problem.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYou gotta love Sydney United fans… They didn’t boo the welcome to country they booed the opposition.. They weren’t Nazi salutes they were waving hi to their nonnas… They weren’t chanting za don spremni they were singing “ we adore Sydney” They weren’t cans of zyklon b they were collecting money for charity… Does anyone honestly think certain Aleague fan groups would NOT have openly booed a middle aged bird waffling on about stuff they have no interest in? The same bloke who whinges like a crazy dog because his sad little ethnic team can't play in the top tier of football complains about our indigenous people having a right to have a say. Says everything about you. Maybe I should objectify young women like you eh you boring old fart? Yeah whatever!!!! I've got football to watch the A-league & the World cup, enjoy your Mediterranean games in the NPL you arsewipe. Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example. Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory). I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim. Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun. Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people. Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity. NPL season just finished a month ago turbo, its called the off season, it will be back in Feb.... no biggie. In the meantime there is EPL, Serie A and Greek Super League on my telly so absolutely no struggle at all .... WC will be a fascinating watch too, looking forward to the A-League all stars performing on the world stage since you mention mediocrity.... Hope your multicultural friends dont get too disappointed by the "uniqueness" My multicultural friends are all Aussies, we all have our heritage & we all proud of it & has moved on from the victim mentality you still have. We all want the Socceroos to do well & have a 2nd team in our forefathers country, all except my Greek friend, he always misses out.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Fark man, stop pointing out the truth about society's warmth, many prefer to live in a fantasy world and think its all beautiful, like afl. Btw, welcome to country fellow citizens, even if you were born here, are land owners and pay hefty taxes that go to all sorts of causes, desirable or not. Be sure to come in, take your shoes off, stay alittle then kindly leave, as I don't want to put up with your visitation for too long. Have a great stay. To some, a smoke ceremony is seen as a pagan ritual. Not accepted by everyone, seen as woke as well, being imposed upon athletes, from here or overseas coming to compete, having to put up with it. Leave to keyboard warriors like you to tell us what the truth is. Truly sorry to try to make the world a better place instead of leaving at the status quo & see us continue down the same downward path. A better place? Someone welcoming an Australian citizen by another Australian citizen Why? You are the sort of bloke that goes with any flow, just so you conform to anything that is thrown at you, a people pleaser. This country is everyone's not indigenous primarily. This is a woke thing. Let's have a European welcoming on the next occasion, something wholesome, and ceremonial. Why not? Infact let's cut to the chase, the Orthodox and Catholics burn incense and kiss icons of Saints, there are the Rosary beads and Mary, or the Eucharist drinking ceremony. A smoke ceremony for one, can be viewed as a culturally religious thing, It's not accepted by everyone as others have different beliefs to that kind of ceremony and don't want to partake. Still, booing is not my go. Very very simple open your eyes, it's sad when I see so many with their eyes closed walking around thinking one is better then another.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies. I agree with that but you can't continue with a 'closed' competition im not saying we need to bring back the NSL but we need to bring back the NSL strcuture ie P/R, Youth Academies etc there are 'established' clubs that have been around for 50 plus years now they clearly know how to survive and in SU58 explain they produce some of the best talent Australia has seen. We need to punish poor behaviour but we should not be allowing a 'few' bad individual destroy what could be a much better set up for the game note this the NSL survived 27 years was played in winter head to head with AFL and NRL could you honestly say the AL would survive if it was played in Winter?
once again the numbers as is are baddddd imagine if it had to compete with the big codes? Sure the A league hasn't seen massive dips when it has coincided with the start of the NRL and AFL seasons. Further the NSL was played for the last 20 years or so in the summer and the crowds were equally shit as they were in the winter. I agree with needing a second division, p and r etc but there can be no place for any form of facism and nazi salutes. The big concern with a club like Utd is the most active and vocal fans were the ones leading the "zo dom spremni" chant. You can always identify and ban individuals but when you have large cohorts of the fans leading fascist chants in multiple sections, there is absolutely zero fucking chance that is compatible with a second division. Only stupid morons with their heads buried in psuedo nationalism would think otherwise. IMO they should ban Syd Utd from the Australia Cup and second division for 5 years, giving Syd Utd 5 years to find a solution to their fascism problem. The FFA did in with 'active support' in MVFC essentially isolating 100s of fans out of the game - i dont agree with that but it can be done Sydney Utd already issued a statement against the perpetrators and condemning the actions of the individuals - what else do you 'want the club to do' ? got to stop having-a-ago at clubs just because some people behave badly - Adelaide Crows have some serious allegations against them as do Hawthorne F.C neither of these clubs will be banned from competing in AFL what the small number of fans did in the Australia cup is pittance to what these clubs ALLOWED to happen to players under their employment. Probably the biggest sage in Australia sport was the essendon drug sage in which players got suspended but the club was allowed to compete.... i dont agree with 'fascism' but i also dont agree with rainbow loving pro-noun pushing social politics - it goes both ways keep 'politics out of sport' if the A L did that i actually think more people would support it. as far as i can tell SU58 did not push for any of the bad behaviour they simply turned up to play a football match - the club in no way is a 'cause or effect' of fan behaviour - i mean FFS collingwood had a MASS PEDO in there active support for over a decades is that Collingwoods fault? should that club be banned? You need to look at precedent and although i agree the individuals should be punished the vast majority of people were well behaved there was no 'violence' and no one was hurt how can you ban a club that has expressed regret for the actions of a few....might as well ban the FFA and FA for killing football with unsustainable clubs like GCU and NQF All im going to say is 'get off' you high horse virtue signalling and all this PC bullshit is killing the game in Australia it shouldnt be part of it just as much as extreme right fascism - i honestly dont think any other code pushes both virtue singling and racism against ethnics as much as football has and clearly it is showing in the numbers and declining support Sorry but you sound more like a 'racist' to me wanting to 'punish them wogs' for turning up to a football game opposed to a football fan who wants whats best for the game so my repose is gtfo i'd honestly put you at the same level as the Nazi at least they know they are racist
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗 Thanks for the little ray of hope.. Maybe my children's children will one day be considered Aussies? A wee bit off topic:Be careful what you wish for, as it things can swing around so fast, that all of a sudden it's cool, and everyone will be claiming that they are "insert peoples/culture here", because their 'great-great-great-great-grandfathers/mothers-nextdoor-neighbour-dog-was-from' "insert peoples/culture here."WAY off topic:They will then go on about how their "insert peoples/culture here" were mistreated and discriminated against, and it is something that they personally have had to put up with their entire lives, and the fight they personally have had to endure (or something to that extent). They will even agrue that they are more "insert peoples/culture here" then you are, and get offended (even aggressive) if/when you challenged/question them on/with certain facts/topics/etc. Still WAY off topic:But not all is doom and gloom. Seeing the faces and reactions when you call them a "Plastic "insert peoples/culture here" is always priceless. They either will get offended, and prove how wrong you are for calling them "Plastic", or it goes completely over their heads (Americans are the best when doing "Plastic") 😆 ▪︎INSERT/NOTE:Sorry for the rambling on, I haven't slept/been awake coming up to 54-ish hours. So just a wee bit sleep deprived (currently at the weird stage of Insomnia). Back To/On Topic:So football. Good game. 2-0. GGOOoooo Team!!! WOOHOO!!! 🎉🎉🎉
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies. I agree with that but you can't continue with a 'closed' competition im not saying we need to bring back the NSL but we need to bring back the NSL strcuture ie P/R, Youth Academies etc there are 'established' clubs that have been around for 50 plus years now they clearly know how to survive and in SU58 explain they produce some of the best talent Australia has seen. We need to punish poor behaviour but we should not be allowing a 'few' bad individual destroy what could be a much better set up for the game note this the NSL survived 27 years was played in winter head to head with AFL and NRL could you honestly say the AL would survive if it was played in Winter?
once again the numbers as is are baddddd imagine if it had to compete with the big codes? Sure the A league hasn't seen massive dips when it has coincided with the start of the NRL and AFL seasons. Further the NSL was played for the last 20 years or so in the summer and the crowds were equally shit as they were in the winter. I agree with needing a second division, p and r etc but there can be no place for any form of facism and nazi salutes. The big concern with a club like Utd is the most active and vocal fans were the ones leading the "zo dom spremni" chant. You can always identify and ban individuals but when you have large cohorts of the fans leading fascist chants in multiple sections, there is absolutely zero fucking chance that is compatible with a second division. Only stupid morons with their heads buried in psuedo nationalism would think otherwise. IMO they should ban Syd Utd from the Australia Cup and second division for 5 years, giving Syd Utd 5 years to find a solution to their fascism problem. The FFA did in with 'active support' in MVFC essentially isolating 100s of fans out of the game - i dont agree with that but it can be done Sydney Utd already issued a statement against the perpetrators and condemning the actions of the individuals - what else do you 'want the club to do' ? got to stop having-a-ago at clubs just because some people behave badly - Adelaide Crows have some serious allegations against them as do Hawthorne F.C neither of these clubs will be banned from competing in AFL what the small number of fans did in the Australia cup is pittance to what these clubs ALLOWED to happen to players under their employment. Probably the biggest sage in Australia sport was the essendon drug sage in which players got suspended but the club was allowed to compete.... i dont agree with 'fascism' but i also dont agree with rainbow loving pro-noun pushing social politics - it goes both ways keep 'politics out of sport' if the A L did that i actually think more people would support it. as far as i can tell SU58 did not push for any of the bad behaviour they simply turned up to play a football match - the club in no way is a 'cause or effect' of fan behaviour - i mean FFS collingwood had a MASS PEDO in there active support for over a decades is that Collingwoods fault? should that club be banned? You need to look at precedent and although i agree the individuals should be punished the vast majority of people were well behaved there was no 'violence' and no one was hurt how can you ban a club that has expressed regret for the actions of a few....might as well ban the FFA and FA for killing football with unsustainable clubs like GCU and NQF All im going to say is 'get off' you high horse virtue signalling and all this PC bullshit is killing the game in Australia it shouldnt be part of it just as much as extreme right fascism - i honestly dont think any other code pushes both virtue singling and racism against ethnics as much as football has and clearly it is showing in the numbers and declining support Sorry but you sound more like a 'racist' to me wanting to 'punish them wogs' for turning up to a football game opposed to a football fan who wants whats best for the game so my repose is gtfo Sadly I think you might be one of those pseudo nationalist stupid morons I described. The conflating of fascist salutes and chants with Adelaide Crows, pedos etc is desperate and misguided. Maybe you are born raised here I dunno, but you need to stop watching ultras videos on youtube, those things might be tolerated in other countries but there is no way they would be tolerated in Australia. Everything else you wrote is just moronic drivel so Im not even gonna bother to respond. As for Sydney Utd issuing a statement it isnt enough. They need to back it up with actions, such as identifying and banning all those involved doing Nazi salutes. Further I would ban those for 12 months participating in the fascist chants. My gut feel is Syd Utd wont do anything, the fascist Hitler loving Syd Utd youth have been well documented across social media for years and Syd Utd have done nothing to address it or prevent what happened on Saturday from occurring. Once again, fascism and nazis is not compatible with Australian football. Maybe in Croatia but not Austrlaia.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Its pretty daft to compare Lions with ethnic clubs like South and United. The Dutch community in Brisbane is tiny, there wasnt a Dutch flag, nationalist chant or Nazi symbol to be seen and the boards, juniors and staff were completely diversified. The Dutch element was confined to history rather than being an active presence. Contrast this with United and the Croatia flags, ustasi fascist chants, Sydney Croatia banners, nazi salutes, nationalistic chest beating. Maybe the Dutch community are more welcoming and inclusive than the Croats. Of course the Dutch are more welcoming than the Croatians, they are Protestants, people of great stock unlike the Catholic Croats.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Its pretty daft to compare Lions with ethnic clubs like South and United. The Dutch community in Brisbane is tiny, there wasnt a Dutch flag, nationalist chant or Nazi symbol to be seen and the boards, juniors and staff were completely diversified. The Dutch element was confined to history rather than being an active presence. Contrast this with United and the Croatia flags, ustasi fascist chants, Sydney Croatia banners, nazi salutes, nationalistic chest beating. Maybe the Dutch community are more welcoming and inclusive than the Croats. Of course the Dutch are more welcoming than the Croatians, they are Protestants, people of great stock unlike the Catholic Croats. 😀
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Can't believe there is ~6 pages and counting of morons trying to defend or justify what happened on Saturday night. There is no defending or justifying it and I hope the book is thrown at SU58.
Anyone got any thoughts on the actual game?
Thought Arzani looked great over the first 60 or so mins. Also impressed by DDS in a much deeper role than I'm used to seeing him.
Couldn't care less what Mono or Davstar etc have to say about the rest of it.
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Evidence now surfacing that the Cro's did sing the anthem. Of course the usual suspects will persist with the "All Cro's are facist" theme, but I would tread lightly if I were them. In the video below you can see the kid been accused of saluting actually patriotically singing the Australian national anthem with his right hand in the air. Once again the MSM, FA and others collaborating to try and bring down the ethnics. You all have a lot of apologising to do. I hope the kid gets a lawyer. https://twitter.com/ausbluetoffee/status/1577134695204425728?s=20&t=Nu4SfV8Xc60bcCwjRd7xrw
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Fark man, stop pointing out the truth about society's warmth, many prefer to live in a fantasy world and think its all beautiful, like afl. Btw, welcome to country fellow citizens, even if you were born here, are land owners and pay hefty taxes that go to all sorts of causes, desirable or not. Be sure to come in, take your shoes off, stay alittle then kindly leave, as I don't want to put up with your visitation for too long. Have a great stay. To some, a smoke ceremony is seen as a pagan ritual. Not accepted by everyone, seen as woke as well, being imposed upon athletes, from here or overseas coming to compete, having to put up with it. Leave to keyboard warriors like you to tell us what the truth is. Truly sorry to try to make the world a better place instead of leaving at the status quo & see us continue down the same downward path. A better place? Someone welcoming an Australian citizen by another Australian citizen Why? You are the sort of bloke that goes with any flow, just so you conform to anything that is thrown at you, a people pleaser. This country is everyone's not indigenous primarily. This is a woke thing. Let's have a European welcoming on the next occasion, something wholesome, and ceremonial. Why not? Infact let's cut to the chase, the Orthodox and Catholics burn incense and kiss icons of Saints, there are the Rosary beads and Mary, or the Eucharist drinking ceremony. A smoke ceremony for one, can be viewed as a culturally religious thing, It's not accepted by everyone as others have different beliefs to that kind of ceremony and don't want to partake. Still, booing is not my go. Very very simple open your eyes, it's sad when I see so many with their eyes closed walking around thinking one is better then another. Yes, so why is one culture subconciously maming and strong arming other cultures with a supposed superiority for? Why did this ceremony start in the first place and what's the indirect message to having the ceremony? Have a debate, soon. Open it up to other cultures. I want to see abit of drinking communion from the Eucharist served by a pastor, on the field, on TV before the ALeague grand final this season. Foster plays the racist card for those that don't want to participate in listening to that indigenous message. I feel he and others in return are racist for not taking the communion on grand final day like I suggested on the field, on TV. Why is yours better? The Nationai Anthem states: Australian ALL let us rejoice, for we are ONE and free.
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+xCan't believe there is ~6 pages and counting of morons trying to defend or justify what happened on Saturday night. There is no defending or justifying it and I hope the book is thrown at SU58. Anyone got any thoughts on the actual game? Thought Arzani looked great over the first 60 or so mins. Also impressed by DDS in a much deeper role than I'm used to seeing him. Couldn't care less what Mono or Davstar etc have to say about the rest of it. I thought SU having just had 39% possesion was doing a masterclass defensively as expected against a very good attacking pro team. Arzani wish he would finish something but thats not his thing but going forward did well, DDS has always been a smart little player, playing deeper gave him more time. Expected them to play SU off the park sooner or later but didn't occur. Hoping another NPL Club makes it to the final next season for its great popcorn and roosty can just copy paste posts from this season.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Fark man, stop pointing out the truth about society's warmth, many prefer to live in a fantasy world and think its all beautiful, like afl. Btw, welcome to country fellow citizens, even if you were born here, are land owners and pay hefty taxes that go to all sorts of causes, desirable or not. Be sure to come in, take your shoes off, stay alittle then kindly leave, as I don't want to put up with your visitation for too long. Have a great stay. To some, a smoke ceremony is seen as a pagan ritual. Not accepted by everyone, seen as woke as well, being imposed upon athletes, from here or overseas coming to compete, having to put up with it. Leave to keyboard warriors like you to tell us what the truth is. Truly sorry to try to make the world a better place instead of leaving at the status quo & see us continue down the same downward path. A better place? Someone welcoming an Australian citizen by another Australian citizen Why? You are the sort of bloke that goes with any flow, just so you conform to anything that is thrown at you, a people pleaser. This country is everyone's not indigenous primarily. This is a woke thing. Let's have a European welcoming on the next occasion, something wholesome, and ceremonial. Why not? Infact let's cut to the chase, the Orthodox and Catholics burn incense and kiss icons of Saints, there are the Rosary beads and Mary, or the Eucharist drinking ceremony. A smoke ceremony for one, can be viewed as a culturally religious thing, It's not accepted by everyone as others have different beliefs to that kind of ceremony and don't want to partake. Still, booing is not my go. Very very simple open your eyes, it's sad when I see so many with their eyes closed walking around thinking one is better then another. Yes, so why is one culture subconciously maming and strong arming other cultures with a supposed superiority for? Why did this ceremony start in the first place and what's the indirect message to having the ceremony? Have a debate, soon. Open it up to other cultures. I want to see abit of drinking communion from the Eucharist served by a pastor, on the field, on TV before the ALeague grand final this season. Foster plays the racist card for those that don't want to participate in listening to that indigenous message. I feel he and others in return are racist for not taking the communion on grand final day like I suggested on the field, on TV. Why is your better? The Nationai Anthem states: Australian ALL let us rejoice, for we are ONE and free. We were not 'ONE' and free 2 years ago, we were 'Young' and free, a country that is over 5000 years old, only young from European people. Why is law in Queensland to lock up a drunk Indigenous person, but if you are drunk & were white or Chinese or Arab, you are told to go home? Why do people refuse to sit next them on buses? Why are the likes of Anthony Mundine & Adam Goodes more disliked (even hated) then your normal equally highly opinionated white sportsmen? Why are they not accepted in their own country? Why not walk in their shoes for awhile to understand.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of the Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... Sure if South, United etc could consistently pull 5k at state league games and control the whippersnapper nazi element you could have a genuine conversation about coming into the A league. But those teams are soo far from that point they are not even a blip on the radar. It would be like telling an infant “this is what we need from you to be an astronaut.. show us what you can do”. FFA makes commercial business decisions and most of it is based around sponsors, investors and advertising opportunity with particular emphasis on large population centres. Why ? this is where the money is. Its partly why my preferred A league team from Canberra hasnt seen any love, investors dont care about a small 400k capital city. They care even less about a small ethnic community who like to do nazi salutes and fascist chants. the numbers speak for themselves id rather have SU58 ban the small number of ppl who act with bad behaviour and have a viable team in the league then have another WU/MacArthur no fans no support and no cares side in it - i would argue the bad behaviour of 'some' fans is better then 'no fans at all' but the FA seem to be happy to have empty stadiums no atmosphere and a boring stale league Unfortunately numbers dont “speak for themselves”. It was literally one game, a good turnout but how many of those chest beating nazis would translate into regular paying customers? The same trend was seen in the NSL, big crowds for finals and derbies but when the cameras and bright lights disappeared so did the chest beaters. I agree the FFA isnt doing a great job at the moment, struggling for traction, too commercially focussed etc, but you dont solve a problem with reintroducing failed methods and philosphies. As I said before, the A league at its worst, plagued by covid, shut downs, inflations etc is still better than the NSL at its best. If the NSL was getting the crowds the A league is today you would be championing its success. Back to the 'numbers' and you poor rebutle if you 'look at the other side of it' Last seasons average attendance for MacArthur and WU were just over 3k....i reckon South Melbourne F.C most of the bigger NPL clubs usually get a few 100 to a 1-2k a game and these are local semi-professional no marketing clubs. The Nix who have been in the AL since 2007 averaged just over 5k Brisbane Roar 6k whilst Perth Glory under 5k Both clubs have been in the league since its inception So please tell me 'spare' me the numbers 'dont speak for themselves' dibble because clearly they do if you want to argue that last season was COVID effected then if you go back to 2018 when (everything was normal) the entire league averaged just 'over' 10k - the leagues average peaked in 2007 which was 14.6k compare that to the last seasons average that was 5.6k do those numbers speak for themselves? Fuck me i take, fair criticism there is some 'bad behaviour' in the old NSL side that would need tobe stamped out but this 'blatant' head in the sand approach actually pisses me off it is not helpful for the game. - things are BAD change needs to happen - people saying well a NSD shouldnt happen because of a few individuals kind of shows how dumb the average person is here there WONT BE A 1st division if we dont shake things up. Yeah the numbers arent great but you dont make the numbers better by reintroducing comparable or worse numbers. All you’re doing is arguing why clubs like Macarthur and Western United dont belong in the A league. I would not be upset if those clubs were to fold, especially if it opens the door for a Canberra and Wollongong team. FFA really fucked up with their “population growth centres” and “derby is the silver bullet” for commercial success. The NSL had 30+ years and it was pretty much terrible every year. The A league has been successful by and large but has struggled for the last few years. Its Ok, people make mistakes, but you dont recover a bad situation by making it worse with failed methods and philosophies. I agree with that but you can't continue with a 'closed' competition im not saying we need to bring back the NSL but we need to bring back the NSL strcuture ie P/R, Youth Academies etc there are 'established' clubs that have been around for 50 plus years now they clearly know how to survive and in SU58 explain they produce some of the best talent Australia has seen. We need to punish poor behaviour but we should not be allowing a 'few' bad individual destroy what could be a much better set up for the game note this the NSL survived 27 years was played in winter head to head with AFL and NRL could you honestly say the AL would survive if it was played in Winter?
once again the numbers as is are baddddd imagine if it had to compete with the big codes? Sure the A league hasn't seen massive dips when it has coincided with the start of the NRL and AFL seasons. Further the NSL was played for the last 20 years or so in the summer and the crowds were equally shit as they were in the winter. I agree with needing a second division, p and r etc but there can be no place for any form of facism and nazi salutes. The big concern with a club like Utd is the most active and vocal fans were the ones leading the "zo dom spremni" chant. You can always identify and ban individuals but when you have large cohorts of the fans leading fascist chants in multiple sections, there is absolutely zero fucking chance that is compatible with a second division. Only stupid morons with their heads buried in psuedo nationalism would think otherwise. IMO they should ban Syd Utd from the Australia Cup and second division for 5 years, giving Syd Utd 5 years to find a solution to their fascism problem. The FFA did in with 'active support' in MVFC essentially isolating 100s of fans out of the game - i dont agree with that but it can be done Sydney Utd already issued a statement against the perpetrators and condemning the actions of the individuals - what else do you 'want the club to do' ? got to stop having-a-ago at clubs just because some people behave badly - Adelaide Crows have some serious allegations against them as do Hawthorne F.C neither of these clubs will be banned from competing in AFL what the small number of fans did in the Australia cup is pittance to what these clubs ALLOWED to happen to players under their employment. Probably the biggest sage in Australia sport was the essendon drug sage in which players got suspended but the club was allowed to compete.... i dont agree with 'fascism' but i also dont agree with rainbow loving pro-noun pushing social politics - it goes both ways keep 'politics out of sport' if the A L did that i actually think more people would support it. as far as i can tell SU58 did not push for any of the bad behaviour they simply turned up to play a football match - the club in no way is a 'cause or effect' of fan behaviour - i mean FFS collingwood had a MASS PEDO in there active support for over a decades is that Collingwoods fault? should that club be banned? You need to look at precedent and although i agree the individuals should be punished the vast majority of people were well behaved there was no 'violence' and no one was hurt how can you ban a club that has expressed regret for the actions of a few....might as well ban the FFA and FA for killing football with unsustainable clubs like GCU and NQF All im going to say is 'get off' you high horse virtue signalling and all this PC bullshit is killing the game in Australia it shouldnt be part of it just as much as extreme right fascism - i honestly dont think any other code pushes both virtue singling and racism against ethnics as much as football has and clearly it is showing in the numbers and declining support Sorry but you sound more like a 'racist' to me wanting to 'punish them wogs' for turning up to a football game opposed to a football fan who wants whats best for the game so my repose is gtfo Sadly I think you might be one of those pseudo nationalist stupid morons I described. The conflating of fascist salutes and chants with Adelaide Crows, pedos etc is desperate and misguided. Maybe you are born raised here I dunno, but you need to stop watching ultras videos on youtube, those things might be tolerated in other countries but there is no way they would be tolerated in Australia. Everything else you wrote is just moronic drivel so Im not even gonna bother to respond. As for Sydney Utd issuing a statement it isnt enough. They need to back it up with actions, such as identifying and banning all those involved doing Nazi salutes. Further I would ban those for 12 months participating in the fascist chants. My gut feel is Syd Utd wont do anything, the fascist Hitler loving Syd Utd youth have been well documented across social media for years and Syd Utd have done nothing to address it or prevent what happened on Saturday from occurring. Once again, fascism and nazis is not compatible with Australian football. Maybe in Croatia but not Austrlaia. I'm just not a rasict - .. like you read the last line of that comment and realise you are an absoutle fk head. No one is defending the bad behaviour dont give you the right be be flat out rasict As for the club they need to be given a statement that should be told to crack down maybe even fined I'd argue it isnt their fault there are idiots everywhere unlike other sports the club isn't condoning ad behaviour
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗 Thanks for the little ray of hope.. Maybe my children's children will one day be considered Aussies? Need to get over the victim mentality. I copped it as a kid but geez it's nothing like it was these days. Sure, it was 100 times worse in my youth, I agree. Back then "Soccer Shame" and "Effnik Violence" headlines were pretty much all the rage...some things never change... Just now it seems its actual new dawn "football" fans doing all the raging. Most of Australia has already moved on to the next clickbait article. BTW, no victim mentality at all mate, just like pointing out the hypocrisy thats all. Being a victim implies that I am hurt by people calling me and my family wogs... I've learnt to ignore it and am doing my best to teach my children to rise above the hatred. No victim hood here, just sadness that those that "should" know better, don't. If you or any other poster can tell me with a straight face that the MAIN reason why some clubs (and no Im not talking about Sydney Croatia) are being prevented from participating in any form of top flight football has nothing to do with an unnatural hatred towards people of a certain background in this country I would love to hear it and gladly move on.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xYep, getting sick of these welcome to country ceremonies infiltrating every sporting, cultural and community event nowdays. Don’t see the need for them. They’re losing impact and kind of dragging on a bit like last night’s one did. Do you have a problem with the maori haka? Everyone seems to love it and has cultural significance in NZ. How is the Welcome to Country any different from an indigenous cultural perspective here? Football in Australia is known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world. Most of it is fantastic. Some of it is bad (ie. Sydney United on Saturday night). What our sport doesn’t do very well is getting our first nations people to play Football. Some of the skills they posses in other sports would suggest indigenous Australians would be great at Football. You only need to look as far as Sam Kerr of course. Embracing indigenous culture with things such as Welcome to Country at matches may get more of them interested in playing our sport, and that can only be a good thing. But if you wanna be a snowflake by getting triggered about random "woke" stuff (which is what people like you would label it as), that’s your problem. The rest of us will just get on with it. Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted. There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.
Isnt the whole point of t he Aleague being a closed off league, only expanding based on some fairly arbitrary "guidelines" and thinly veiled racist bias the very essence of "fuck off we're full"? Otherwise it would be "Here is what we need from you to be included ..... show us what you can do" ...... It's not completely racially bias telling "others" to "fuck off we're full".... The Dutch were accepted to the A-League 🤫 Also, I recall something about a bunch of Irish lads in the NT forming a team called 'Darwin Rovers' several years ago. I believe there is also a team called 'Celtic' in Alice Springs. So not all football bodies in Australia are completely racially bias, the Irish seem to be welcomed in the Northern Territory 🇮🇪😄 Sorry lad, Irish and Dutch are not "effnik" enough :) Cannae comment regarding the Dutch, but the Irish for generations across the 'Anglo-Saxon Protestant World' have often been seen and treated as a lower class and discriminated against. Times are fine now (in most places). So maybe in the near future the people of Balkans and Slavs heritage can join us.. As Monty Python say... "Always look on the bright side of life" 😗😗😗 Thanks for the little ray of hope.. Maybe my children's children will one day be considered Aussies? Need to get over the victim mentality. I copped it as a kid but geez it's nothing like it was these days. Sure, it was 100 times worse in my youth, I agree. Back then "Soccer Shame" and "Effnik Violence" headlines were pretty much all the rage...some things never change... Just now it seems its actual new dawn "football" fans doing all the raging. Most of Australia has already moved on to the next clickbait article. BTW, no victim mentality at all mate, just like pointing out the hypocrisy thats all. Being a victim implies that I am hurt by people calling me and my family wogs... I've learnt to ignore it and am doing my best to teach my children to rise above the hatred. No victim hood here, just sadness that those that "should" know better, don't. If you or any other poster can tell me with a straight face that the MAIN reason why some clubs (and no Im not talking about Sydney Croatia) are being prevented from participating in any form of top flight football has nothing to do with an unnatural hatred towards people of a certain background in this country I would love to hear it and gladly move on. Got to agree with this collinal Australians were and still are the biggest rasict cuts just reading this tread you can pretty much picture the bogan fuck on the other side of the screen
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+xEvidence now surfacing that the Cro's did sing the anthem. Of course the usual suspects will persist with the "All Cro's are facist" theme, but I would tread lightly if I were them. In the video below you can see the kid been accused of saluting actually patriotically singing the Australian national anthem with his right hand in the air. Once again the MSM, FA and others collaborating to try and bring down the ethnics. You all have a lot of apologising to do. I hope the kid gets a lawyer. https://twitter.com/ausbluetoffee/status/1577134695204425728?s=20&t=Nu4SfV8Xc60bcCwjRd7xrw CBF reading the previous 10 pages of dribble.... The media & FA will have a lot to answer for when everything comes out shortly. I for one who was at the game and in the thick of it, can proudly say the Welcome to Country and National Anthem definitely was not booed, now the footage is circulating on social media platforms for all to see. At the time the players walked out onto the pitch United fans did their display and were very loud. The welcome to country was not mentioned nor heard on the PA system and at the time of the speech the big screens had all Macarthur players and fans which the United Fans were booing. The Australian Anthem was NOT booed by sung very loudly, the online footage again proves that. On a side note; I do not agree with the Welcome to Country being conducted at every sporting event etc, nor did I agree with BLM and players forced to take the knee, or players being forced to where the LGBQT rainbow pride armbands etc… Why would the Croats boo the Welcome to Country? We didn’t invade Australia, the Anglos did and now they feel guilty for the genocides and this is there way of being “sorry”. Nor do the Croats burn the Australian flag on Australia day or want it changed, we embrace it like we embraced the anthem on Saturday. As for the “Fascist” chants of Za Dom Spremni, most of that is coming from the uneducated Left media and its people. This Slogan which means For Home Ready, backdates to the 15 th century when we were getting invaded by the ottomans and not WW2 as the left would suggest it does. If you don’t know our history, keep your mouth shut. All that the media has done is taken away the positives from the match, and that's the crowd figure of 16,500, 14k or so which was supported by the NPL team Sydney United. There was only 6 ejected, there was more at the NRL & AFL Grand finals, but you wont hear that in the media....
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I blame Brisbane roar if they won we wouldn’t of had this shit
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+x+xCan't believe there is ~6 pages and counting of morons trying to defend or justify what happened on Saturday night. There is no defending or justifying it and I hope the book is thrown at SU58. Anyone got any thoughts on the actual game? Thought Arzani looked great over the first 60 or so mins. Also impressed by DDS in a much deeper role than I'm used to seeing him. Couldn't care less what Mono or Davstar etc have to say about the rest of it. I thought SU having just had 39% possesion was doing a masterclass defensively as expected against a very good attacking pro team. Arzani wish he would finish something but thats not his thing but going forward did well, DDS has always been a smart little player, playing deeper gave him more time. Expected them to play SU off the park sooner or later but didn't occur. Hoping another NPL Club makes it to the final next season for its great popcorn and roosty can just copy paste posts from this season. We had nothing going forward, Payne and Antelmi both needed injections before they played. Payne alone up front couldnt do much. it was a fun ride, and a night most croats will not forget.
Not a Phase, Not a Trend, SYDNEY UNITED till the END!
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