Kuol backed to shine for Socceroos [Comments]


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Davide82 - 16 Nov 2022 10:18 PM
Balin Trev - 16 Nov 2022 5:40 PM

More?
I don’t get the quote marks around ‘more Australian’?

this isn’t like saying my family that moved to Australia in the 50s aren’t Australian. 

It’s not like me saying Mabil born in a refugee camp and his family moving here for a better life isn’t Australian. 

Had Boyle or Souttar ever even heard of Australia? Had Karacic? 

At least Cummins has lived here for 6 months now.  

Look it is what it is and I get it but it still doesn’t sit 100% well with me that’s all. 

Unlike your fine self I’m not 100% sure about every opinion or belief I hold and sometimes question things. It must be nice to be so sure of yourself and so loud about it. More power to you. 



I agree it would be ideal if each player that played for Australia was Aussie born and bred, but the world is not like that these days.

Look at Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. A Gabonese international, born in France to a Gabonese father (admittedly also a Gabonese international footballer) and Spanish mother. He apparently spent his childhood in Italy, and then started his career with AC Milan. I doubt he played any football in Gabon until he was an international player.

A lot of other African players would have a similar story (born in Europe and never played in the country they now represent), as well as for example players in the Jamaican national team born in England.

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Yeah I am sure he will get time in all 3 unless we are in a position to get something out of the group in the 3rd game and want to lock it up with 20 to go instead

A man can dream
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Back to Kuol. 

I don't expect him to start against France. I expect a front three of Leckie Duke and Goodwin (Boyle I think will be rested because of injury). In the second half I would expect to see Koul and Cummings to come on together. 

Against Tunisia I would like to see Kuol starting with Maclaren (or Cummings if the combination worked well in the first game) with Boyle on the left. We need to win that game. 

The game against Denmark will then depend on form/combinations/injuries from the first two games but I would expect Kuol to once again get game time.
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Droog - 17 Nov 2022 11:10 AM
I am extremely proud of our lads. Especially for making it through to WC, in my first WC as an Aussie. But talent wise, Kuol is head and shoulder above everyone else in the squad. Great call by Arnie. I hope he gets to play more than just a late sub when it won't make much of an impact. At the same time, I realise he or us as a team might not be able to pull of wonders at least against France and Denmark. But we should really try to play ball. Its embarrassing or depressing to watch A League. Being a Sydneysider, I have tried to be a fan of either Sydney FC or Wanderers, but both of them play hoof the ball around, run, head chaotically with very rare displays of cohesive plays. Playing in Friday and Saturday leagues, I know that there is so much talent, skill and even physicality in our country. But for some reason, the A league coaches are not making the most of the available players. And maybe the players are also not exerting themselves the right way. Anyways, leave all that for later. Three games to leave everything on the field. I have no doubt, whoever gets to play will give their very best and then some. I am thrilled about the cup, first time supporting my own country in the WC !!! 

Good to see that you are proud of the NT.Australian footballers do tend to fight for the ball and thus it is often difficult to play cohesive and beautiful football.Most of our teams at different levels cannot alter the tempo of games as the top European and South American teams do,especially the top club sides.However Australian sides often punch above their weight because of their "fightball" attitudes and let's hope we see that in the forthcoming games.
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charlied - 16 Nov 2022 9:32 PM
I'm picking 5-0 France.


I'm picking France 2 Australia 3.

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Good on you Droog C and welcome.
Yer it is amazing being in the WC even though we are minnows, always have been the underdog - agree as long as we leave everything on the field thats all we can ask of our fellas.


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I am extremely proud of our lads. Especially for making it through to WC, in my first WC as an Aussie. But talent wise, Kuol is head and shoulder above everyone else in the squad. Great call by Arnie. I hope he gets to play more than just a late sub when it won't make much of an impact. At the same time, I realise he or us as a team might not be able to pull of wonders at least against France and Denmark. But we should really try to play ball. Its embarrassing or depressing to watch A League. Being a Sydneysider, I have tried to be a fan of either Sydney FC or Wanderers, but both of them play hoof the ball around, run, head chaotically with very rare displays of cohesive plays. Playing in Friday and Saturday leagues, I know that there is so much talent, skill and even physicality in our country. But for some reason, the A league coaches are not making the most of the available players. And maybe the players are also not exerting themselves the right way. Anyways, leave all that for later. Three games to leave everything on the field. I have no doubt, whoever gets to play will give their very best and then some. I am thrilled about the cup, first time supporting my own country in the WC !!! 
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socceroos_rsdg - 17 Nov 2022 7:57 AM
jas88 - 16 Nov 2022 8:30 PM

There's a difference between playing on the counter and not attempting to play anything at all. 

But you're the only one suggesting that and you're then getting wound up by it :hehe:
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jas88 - 16 Nov 2022 8:30 PM
socceroos_rsdg - 16 Nov 2022 3:28 PM

Literally 75% of the socceroo's play on the counter every single week at club level... most aren't in teams dominating... except for maybe Mooy. All of sudden you want them to out pass the technicians in the midfield of France? Watch the 2018 run again, France are absolutely devastating on the counter... if we even give them one or two chances on the break its game over Mbappe will put a hat trick away in the first half. Mbappe cant get in behind if our boys are sitting on the penalty box(for the first 60mins at least)

Sit deep and absorb pressure and frustrate the French. So we can counter(its our best strength). If we play out from the back we might as well just hand them a 5-0 win. This isn't not having a go, this is playing to our strengths we can try out pass the Tunisians if you really want to.

There's a difference between playing on the counter and not attempting to play anything at all. 
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Davide82 - 16 Nov 2022 10:18 PM
Balin Trev - 16 Nov 2022 5:40 PM

More?
I don’t get the quote marks around ‘more Australian’?

this isn’t like saying my family that moved to Australia in the 50s aren’t Australian. 

It’s not like me saying Mabil born in a refugee camp and his family moving here for a better life isn’t Australian. 

Had Boyle or Souttar ever even heard of Australia? Had Karacic? 

At least Cummins has lived here for 6 months now.  

Look it is what it is and I get it but it still doesn’t sit 100% well with me that’s all. 

Unlike your fine self I’m not 100% sure about every opinion or belief I hold and sometimes question things. It must be nice to be so sure of yourself and so loud about it. More power to you. 



Nah. I use this forum to vent sometimes- cos football is often frustrating to follow! and after i post things I often question wtf i posted - not that sure of things at all at times?! Nobody knows everything- just like to talk about football whether I’m right or completely wrong.
was genuinely asking why you favor Duke starting over JMac and Cummings- and took lame guess as to what reason could be? that’s all
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Balin Trev - 16 Nov 2022 5:40 PM
Davide82 - 16 Nov 2022 5:26 PM

Because Duke is ‘more ‘Australian’? JMac then over Cummings too?

More?
I don’t get the quote marks around ‘more Australian’?

this isn’t like saying my family that moved to Australia in the 50s aren’t Australian. 

It’s not like me saying Mabil born in a refugee camp and his family moving here for a better life isn’t Australian. 

Had Boyle or Souttar ever even heard of Australia? Had Karacic? 

At least Cummins has lived here for 6 months now.  

Look it is what it is and I get it but it still doesn’t sit 100% well with me that’s all. 

Unlike your fine self I’m not 100% sure about every opinion or belief I hold and sometimes question things. It must be nice to be so sure of yourself and so loud about it. More power to you. 



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I'm picking 5-0 France.


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johnszasz - 16 Nov 2022 8:29 PM
grazorblade - 16 Nov 2022 8:21 PM

Yeah 2018 was frustrating how exhausted we were come game 3. We've got to use the squad.

Same with the olympics

we needed to play devlin and baccus against spain if we are playing deep but we played the same team pretty much and had no gas game three
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socceroos_rsdg - 16 Nov 2022 3:28 PM
Davide82 - 16 Nov 2022 2:50 PM

Not saying that at all, but if we play super defensively, we will. The only chance we have on getting a point or draw is actually trying to score goals. If we sit back, they will eventually score and even a point will be impossible.

If we play rough and dirty the way your suggesting, it just proves that how much of a lower-class Australian football is, and if that's the loser culture, we will never see Australian players in anything other than pox level Championship, SPL, and of course GA's favorite J2. 

Literally 75% of the socceroo's play on the counter every single week at club level... most aren't in teams dominating... except for maybe Mooy. All of sudden you want them to out pass the technicians in the midfield of France? Watch the 2018 run again, France are absolutely devastating on the counter... if we even give them one or two chances on the break its game over Mbappe will put a hat trick away in the first half. Mbappe cant get in behind if our boys are sitting on the penalty box(for the first 60mins at least)

Sit deep and absorb pressure and frustrate the French. So we can counter(its our best strength). If we play out from the back we might as well just hand them a 5-0 win. This isn't not having a go, this is playing to our strengths we can try out pass the Tunisians if you really want to.
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grazorblade - 16 Nov 2022 8:21 PM
I think arnie really needs to rotate. There isnt much difference between our best 11 and our second 11 and we cant be exhausted come the third game

Yeah 2018 was frustrating how exhausted we were come game 3. We've got to use the squad.
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just got this feeling hes going to come off the bench and tear it up like Timmy did against Japan in 06.
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I think arnie really needs to rotate. There isnt much difference between our best 11 and our second 11 and we cant be exhausted come the third game
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Mr Cleansheets - 16 Nov 2022 7:46 PM
@johnszasz I was at the ground that day and thought Nabbout had a blinder - constantly outjumping the French defence and winning headers - albeit to no-one as he was unsupported.

I get that the game can look awfully different on TV (and I was close to the fence so didn't have much of a helicopter view) but I thought Nabbout was really effective that day (in a Duke type role) and have since been mystified by the criticism he's had.

We all see the game differently.

Hannover away in Bremen is always better in the stadium :D Yeah, he just didn't have support that day. Isolated.
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@johnszasz I was at the ground that day and thought Nabbout had a blinder - constantly outjumping the French defence and winning headers - albeit to no-one as he was unsupported.

I get that the game can look awfully different on TV (and I was close to the fence so didn't have much of a helicopter view) but I thought Nabbout was really effective that day (in a Duke type role) and have since been mystified by the criticism he's had.

We all see the game differently.
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socceroos_rsdg - 16 Nov 2022 3:51 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2022 3:33 PM

So, what's the point of even turning up then. Why would we even care about getting to a tournament were 2 out of the 3 teams we play we apparently have no chance of scoring against because we don't have the cattle. Wes should have just gone out to Peru, that way the boys could have just remained at home to really secure there J2 and Championship bench spots.

 

The point is to get out of the group.  It is not to entertain or "have a go" and get the pat on the head from the winning opposition about "how hard we made it for them". 

Lets stop being so naive at this level.  France is not the important match. They will likely beat everyone and challenge for the title.  We just have to ensure they don't beat us by more than they beat the other 2.

And I said nothing about the any of the other 2 teams.  They are the two games we can-and have to- let loose on.



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johnszasz - 16 Nov 2022 6:58 PM
@Cleansheets. Was that where Jedinak got knocked as he shifted the ball on to Arzani for the final shot? I've still got the game recorded and will need to check that. I'm just glad Hernandez survived all the sniper bullets. His brother has been selected too. The carrying on is an utter shambles. Hope we get a Scottish or Kiwi ref who are typically no nonsense.

Not sure, but my wife has a photo (we were there) of the two defenders climbing all over Jedi.

The fact the ref's no pen call for the Risdon tackle was overturned and the Jedi foul not even looked at was the reason I walked out of Kazan screaming. That and Kazan being an absolute shit hole where Russian officials went out of their way to destroy our experience...
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@Cleansheets. Was that where Jedinak got knocked as he shifted the ball on to Arzani for the final shot? I've still got the game recorded and will need to check that. I'm just glad Hernandez survived all the sniper bullets. His brother has been selected too. The carrying on is an utter shambles. Hope we get a Scottish or Kiwi ref who are typically no nonsense.
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Mr Cleansheets - 16 Nov 2022 5:45 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2022 3:33 PM

That's what people said last time but we mostly outplayed France and were very unlucky to lose. Mooy bossed the midfield against Kante and Pogba and Sainsbury and Milligan were giants at the back.

They needed a dodgy VAR penalty for Risdon's tackle and then a cruel deflection that went to the only possible place Ryan couldn't save to beat us. Even then we should've had a penalty in the dying minutes when two of their defenders were holding down Jedinak at a corner - one had him by the arm ad the other had both arms around him. How the fuck does that not get seen?

Point is - I suspect we have a slightly better side this time and France are notoriously slow starters in tournaments. They're not used to Qatar conditions either. An upset (or at least a draw) is on the cards if Arnie plays the right team. Kuol and Cummings to start!!!

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Sainsbury had Griezmann and Dembele in his pocket that day. I mean in hindsight to that game, which I've watched many times, the cautious approach kept us in it long enough yet watching Nabbout makes me wish we'd started with Juric or even Maclaren who had good form at Hibs. This is where I wonder if a battering ram of Duke and Leckie up front to press is right this time or we go all out and start the better ones who can score. 

If we go to rough approach and hold on until 55 by just one goal down, I'll be excited to flip it up but if we're down by 3 like some of those FA Cup games then it just becomes a scrambled rush forward to no avail.
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Davstar - 16 Nov 2022 3:49 PM
5-5-0 requires no striker 

Mind games require no formation.....or shirt number.
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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2022 3:33 PM
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We don't have the cattle.

That's what people said last time but we mostly outplayed France and were very unlucky to lose. Mooy bossed the midfield against Kante and Pogba and Sainsbury and Milligan were giants at the back.

They needed a dodgy VAR penalty for Risdon's tackle and then a cruel deflection that went to the only possible place Ryan couldn't save to beat us. Even then we should've had a penalty in the dying minutes when two of their defenders were holding down Jedinak at a corner - one had him by the arm ad the other had both arms around him. How the fuck does that not get seen?

Point is - I suspect we have a slightly better side this time and France are notoriously slow starters in tournaments. They're not used to Qatar conditions either. An upset (or at least a draw) is on the cards if Arnie plays the right team. Kuol and Cummings to start!!!

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Davide82 - 16 Nov 2022 5:26 PM
I feel I have to say it out loud at some point.

I can't help but feel I'd rather lose with Duke than win with Cummings, Souttar and even Boyle

BUT i know if one of them score and we get a point I'll forget I ever said this (for at least a few weeks)

Because Duke is ‘more ‘Australian’? JMac then over Cummings too?
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I feel I have to say it out loud at some point.

I can't help but feel I'd rather lose with Duke than win with Cummings, Souttar and even Boyle

BUT i know if one of them score and we get a point I'll forget I ever said this (for at least a few weeks)
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In 2018, Nabbout was ‘striker’ vs France and barely had a touch (but at least Nabbout was playing 1st division football in Japan!)
Cummings should start over Duke and JMac because he never sits back waiting for the ball - he goes up the pitch and gets involved, has very good touch and hold up skills, and can pass really well. And can also hit a few class goals from perimeter of 18 yard box which don’t think I’ve seen Duke do during entire WCQ campaign. Only tap ins and headers for Super Duke.

Cummings has a more balanced skill set for sure

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When did GA coach Duke the Nuke ? I don't seen to recall this, corrected CCM.

Sure I'd give Canine woof a go might I add but Nuke could be a thorn (at least he covers ground) and won't be unlocking France but get in a position to poke his foot in or his head by the unlocking or a quality release from the mid support fingers crossed OR gain a pen.
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roosty - 16 Nov 2022 3:51 PM
If we are going start Duke we might as well pack up and go home. It in absolute farce that we start a guy who plays in the Jap 2nd division, who doesn’t even play as a striker for club, and has scored a handful of goals in his career against the world champions, and expect anything other than a total drubbing. The notion that deploying Duke the Nuke will in any disrupt France because he will “get in their faces” is absolutely hysterical.

The only reason Duke is in the squad to begin with is his affiliation with GA at club level. He’s mates with Arnie, and scored some goals against some crap teams in Asia. That’s the trouble with competing in the Asian confederation, the low quality of the opposition has allowed frauds, bystanders and pedestrians to look better than what they actually are. Duke the Nuke can’t even get a game in the Japanese league, it’s an absolute indictment on GA that he sees this guy as the key to unlocking France.

If it were me I’d start Kuol and/or Cummins. We have absolutely nothing to lose, we are going to get thrashed anyway, might as well just swing the bat and see what happens.



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