A few newer posters 'more measured' on here have said they post on Reddit.

What about Gethin Jones? How is he getting a run? And he's practically Welsh. Why are we bending over backwards to put these hacks into our teams.. And straight into RB too.

In December 2020, he was asked in the Bolton Wanderers official match day programme whether he considered himself Welsh or Australian to which he replied:

"I'd have to say Wales, obviously I was born in Australia but I've lived in Wales pretty much my whole life and speak the Welsh language. I'm 100% Welsh."

Thanks for posting this.

Interesting?

I suppose Arnie wants more depth. I  don't think Jones is  a hack, but football  mates off forum almost do. They know a fair bit about football too. All of us think Atkinson is  a better option ATM.

Declaring he felt more Welsh a few years back may have been when he thought there was no hope of a Socceroo berth?

Arnie playes to his strengths and with the cattle available...  he is not the problem but rather the result.... 

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0285871

"Coaches also revealed there was an expectation of conformity to the content and practices endorsed by the National Football Curriculum, limiting the value and impact of formal coach education in supporting the development of coaches’ theoretical and practical dispositions. These findings point towards a number of broad and systemic issues relating to the conceptual, theoretical and practical foundations of the National Football Curriculum and subsequent courses. If Football Australia are to reach their goal in designing and delivering effective and meaningful coach education programs that support the highly complex and multifaceted role of senior coaching, formal coach education may need to adapt and evolve in a manner that better supports the multi-dimensional and context-specific needs of Australian senior football coaches."

Boyle and Souttar are not Australian either, your point is ?

My recollection is that in previous posts over the past few months Muz has said that he doesn't agree with the selections of Boyle and Souttar either.

Well.. he can't play for Wales anymore, even if he does end up with less than 3 competitive caps - Asian Cup finals matches tie you in no matter what. Same with World Cup finals (not qualifiers).

Thanks for posting this, MOE.

Interesting to read the comments.

*  I suppose it hasn't been clarified the dichotomy between Community Courses - Grassroots, Junior, Youth and Senior  Licences - and - Advanced Coaching (  underage rep, NPL, Pro)  C Licence, B Licence, A Licence , Pro Licence.

* Prior background to the C Licence was important. My greatest shock was doing the KNVB Youth Training Certificate ( like many I was totally out of my depth at the beginning)  which included C and B licence content. The KNVB course was great prior background for the C Licence.  Some of it was more advanced. The coaches who had done Community Pathway Senior Licence thought is was a sufficient intro for the C Licence. Having said this, they were all experienced NPL  players or and coaches, or both.

* Both Aus coach education and KNVB coach education has the 4 phase, incremental system per training ground session. The biggest difference was phase 2. The KNVB was more relaxed and encouraged Small Sided Games to fit the coaching session . The Football Aus C Licence featured pedantic, prescriptive phase 2 that had to be strictly linked to the theme of coaching session ie, Playing out From The Back, Need To Work On Scoring More Goals in  Attacking Third, etc. Muscat at Victory told us in a workshop he followed the KNVB practice for Victory.

* Astonished one coach stated what he learned in the B and A Licence was a bit weak as a progression compared to C Licence? One reason  I quit  continuing the Advanced Pathway, was because i was really annoyed FFA asked coaches to bring their own lap tops, download all course content - not receive hard copy handouts of the content at the course. It deviated too much from the KNVB practices.  Football for mine, is not about computers in the dug outs! 

* Learned a lot about Body Shape in C Licence, not in KNVB Youth Cert.

* Both had detailed match analysis proformas as a basis for designing training ground  sessions.

* An extra course I did over a weekend was a SAP technique session course, for rep coaches. In a different way it was as useful as the  KNVB Advanced Youth and Football Aus C Licence. Only 4 of the C Licence participants did it. We felt all the other C Licence  participants ( most were head and assistant senior NPL coaches) should have have done it too, because it re ally clarified how to define and coach technique by defining which components are technique.

*Sometines I can't determine where I learned what, as I had a lot of ongoing coach education from Football Tas/Aus coaches and AL coaches.  Other Advanced coaches from around other parts of Aus, in remoter communities,  have felt like they have no ongoing coach  education between Advanced Coaching Licences. Conversely, I felt like  I was in a coaching hothouse with so much content coming and wanted a break!

* IMO  Aus icahces have to pay far too much money for coach education.

* Arnie did a lot of his coach education in  Netherlands. He said he did a lot wrong at the start as Socceroo head coach. He said learned a lot from Guus and Pim as their assistants.

* IMO  Aus icahces have to pay far too much money for coach education.

This is about the only thing I can agree with you on over the past few years Decentric....  

Way to expensive. Cost me $4000 to do the A Diploma last year.

And then we wonder why our youth pathways are shattered and the only players coming up through the ranks of NPL and A league academies have parents who can afford it.... 

Arnie is clearly a tactically smart but conservative coach which he will get us results which I agree its important at this level.

Im just not sure if this is effective long term if the Socceroos are serious of moving up the ladder in world football when the opponents have better technical quality than us.

He's got them very unified as well, so fair play to him for that.

They shouldn't be playing for Australia. Add Karacic to that list and that pom who's also played once or twice for the U23s.

yes agreed and echo our overall stance to date.

I know I've been singled out by the staticians and some other posters have covered my train of thought since but here's the thing being the armchair critic I am being I don't look to type up other theories and examples for seriously in the big picture this game is simple and people make it far too complicated than it needs to be.
Players are human not robots, you either have it and you don't, obviously stats and tactics need to be set and reviewed but players despite all the intel on the day either make it or don't.
We don't have it in the big picture even on a good day imo, sure Japan/SK lost and drew, shit happens but they will recover likely more than not.

We made the R16 in Qatar.
Supporters and media were on the UP and looking ahead due to doing the best ever in a WC.
Sure we've had some retirements we all get that but there was already new blood introduced long before Qatar, hasn't Arnie capped more young players than ever before ?!
Now watching those 2 AC games as mentioned besides the sub standard pre friendlies.
Yes yes its a marathon but you'd think for eg Syria.
Their AC record is pretty ordinary period.
AC 2019 they didn't even win a game, drew 1 lost 2.
Didn't quali 2015
2011 similar to 2019.

OK so Arnie is playing it safe and endoctoring newbies and all that most are playing in better leagues than the Syrians ?
Its a marathon I get it.
India's record is not much better and the Uzbekis's had them cooked by HT x 3.
We struggled to do them over period watching, 14 corners, 28 shots.

Glad you stat guys see positives I see red :)
Look forward to tomorrow nights game, - think I saw in the press Duke is out ?

Bullshit. Meulensteen is the tactician. Arnold is a man manager. 

It's pretty clear what his point is

Sutho is a good fisher - he'd be great in Deadliest Catch :)

Meulensteen is a decent No.2 ill give you that.

I though Rado was The Brains?

When coaching sfc he coached a more proactive style. So in principle he can transition if the type of player transitions

That's going back some.

Lmao I was waiting for you to comment in this thread 😂

Are you thinking of Caleb Watts?

Like clockwork. The Arnie hate knows no bounds.

Yeah that's him.

Yeah that's him.

What's your prerequisite to play for Australia? At least having set foot in Australia before a call up? I get what you mean that some really come across as far out. I suppose the modern world just caters a lot to all these pathways. Is it perhaps that they opted to play youth football for the other country? Do I guess it stops at number 3 for you? I see number 4 pushing some limitations but I also think it can depend on upbringing and identity.

Compared to Australians with one parent each I know in Germany, who make regular visits to Australia and really embrace it, it doesn't seem Boyle and Souttar had much of that in their childhood.  I see those in group 4 opted for Australia out of convenience but they've certainly taken to it at least. Geographically it's closer but you've got Turks like Nuri Sahin who was seemingly always going to play for Turkey.

1 Aus born and played= Leckie, Ryan, Kruse
2 Aus born and developed mostly abroad= Luongo, Hrustic, Robertson
3 Foreign born but played in Aus and naturalised= Fornaroli, Strain, Degenek, Genreau, Burgess, Mabil
4 Foreign born to Oz parent and developed abroad= Souttar, Boyle, Karacic, Watts

Robertson was born in Dundee

You're right. I glanced at his youth time without checking place of birth. AMB born in UK too. Plenty move to Perth. 

Matt Ryan is on record as saying a year or two ago, that all other coaches he has had have been good player managers or good tacticians - not both.

He said Arnie is the only coach he has had, at that stage of his career, who is both a good tactician and a good player  manager.

I just can't get over the antagonism from some fans towards a coach who is doing such a good job for Australia with the cattle he has?

The fact he coaches the under 23s, and keeps a close eye on the under 20s and under 17s, means he is fast tracking young talent.