Which socceroos will get moves of this WC showing?


Which socceroos will get moves of this WC showing?

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Decentric 2 - 5 Dec 2022 12:40 AM
TimmyJ - 4 Dec 2022 12:45 PM

The highest level is the World Cup.


Nah, it's the UCL or Euros 

IMO, only Souttar, Rowles or Baccus, 
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JDUB - 5 Dec 2022 2:21 PM
 I think playing alongside souttar makes him not stand out as much. 

Sign of an excellent CB. Two clean sheets at the WC and you hardly notice him.
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I think a fresh approach needs to be given to attributing players' international ability, by where they play their club football in Europe.

Given recent results, outside  UEFA big five leagues, and in light of  Italy failing to qualify for the last two WCs at all; Belgium failing dismally in Qatar , like  2014 in Brazil when they play outside Europe;   Germany exiting early from Qatar; it might be prudent to reappraise Japan, South Korea  and even USA as preferable football destinations compared  to a lot of Europe mid-ranked leagues.

At least 3 club teams  from Japan or South Korea play Asian Champions' League football.

Another option might be Mexico? They exited early this time in Qatar, but they are usually a consistent team to exit group stages at WCs. 

Many mid ranked European leagues have national teams who can't qualify for World Cups , or, they can't play effectively outside the comfort of UEFA countries.

Also, as far as Scotland is a concern as a destination for Aussies,  we might be doing Scotland a favour sending Euroroos to that league in raising the standard in the Scottish Professional League?

How many players in Scotland that Euroroos  play with and against,  are proven performers at  World Cups, and , international football outside Europe?

How many coaches in Scotland have been successful as  coaches at international level? Are Scottish coaches  able to make informative  decisions  for Aussie footballers as to how they can improve their skill set for international   football?
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Keeper66 - 5 Dec 2022 2:12 PM
Decentric 2 - 5 Dec 2022 12:40 AM

I think it is very debateable that the highest level of football is the World Cup. Was back in the 70's, 80's and probably 90's, but probably not so anymore. I would say that club football at EPL, La Liga, Serie A and Bundesliga, and certainly in the Champions League, is a higher level overall than the World Cup, because with not many exceptions all the world's best players play in these competitions.

Also, there is a significant body of opinion that the Euro's is a harder competition to win than the World Cup, and has a higher level of football.

This is not to say that the World Cup is not a very high level competition, it very much is, but it is strongly arguable that it is not the highest level. It is a simplistic argument, which you are essentially putting forward here, to say that because the best national teams from each region across the world are competing, the World Cup is therefore the highest level of football.

Respectfully disagree, Keeper.

At no other standard does one get to play against the very best of the best  domestic players  from the 7 big world leagues, with Brazil ad Argentina rated similarly to the UEFA big five.

The German, English, Spanish, French, Brazilian and Argentinian national teams are the elite of the elite. Italy used to also belong to this group. Looking up a Youtube video, something like;

30 % of EPL players are English,

40% - 60% of players in Germany, Spain and France are domestic players. France might top this group with 60%, or it might be Spain?

I'd surmise Argentina and Brazil have at least  60%  domestic players playing in their leagues.

To be able to leave 150 - 180 domestic  players, per league,  as  surplus requirements  for the national teams, indicates incredible depth in those big six leagues.

150-180 Argentinians, or Brazilians,or English,or Germans, or Spanish, or French footballers, who play in their national top divisions, are not good enough for their national teams who play at the World Cup.

Essentially, England, France, Spain, Germany, Argentina and Brazil, and formerly Italy, set the very highest bar at World Cups. It is up  to other countries to strive to play at the level they do. Only five world powerhouses have, according to the 7 biggest world leagues,  made the last 16 in Qatar.

The  9 other teams who have got there with them, are better than nearly all club teams in any world league, particularly if played in Qatar.    

In the big seven global leagues on any given match day, with circa 20 clubs per league, there are at least 1600 players playing in these leagues, who aren't deemed good enough to play World Cup football.  

That is, either to be selected for their national team, or, their country is not good enough  to qualify for the World Cup.
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tsf - 5 Dec 2022 3:07 PM
Decentric 2 - 5 Dec 2022 12:40 AM

Nah, it's the UCL or Euros 

IMO, only Souttar, Rowles or Baccus, 

Baccus is an interesting one. I definitely think he is capable of playing at s higher level than he currently is. Eredivisie would be great but he's not super young like many of the clubs seem to prioritise and St Mirren might want too much for Eredivisie budgets. I hope he doesn't go to the Championship. Would lower Bundi be too big a leap at this stage?  He did well against Argentina.
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dr. bellows - 5 Dec 2022 4:20 PM
tsf - 5 Dec 2022 3:07 PM

Baccus is an interesting one. I definitely think he is capable of playing at s higher level than he currently is. Eredivisie would be great but he's not super young like many of the clubs seem to prioritise and St Mirren might want too much for Eredivisie budgets. I hope he doesn't go to the Championship. Would lower Bundi be too big a leap at this stage?  He did well against Argentina.

he's going well. A year or two more in Scotland would be good for him. 

Let's see then, I actually thought he was younger and didnt realise he played so much for WSW
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Harry mentioned in this Guardian article on the top seven players on the rise from the WC:


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/15/seven-world-cup-breakout-stars-qatar?CMP=morningmailau_email

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jas88 - 5 Dec 2022 11:39 AM
hope Goodwin goes middle east or china deserves to get a big payout.

He's a goose if he doesn't take an offer.

He can always come back, probably on better terms than he's locked into at the moment

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tomw - 5 Dec 2022 11:12 AM
Decentric 2 - 5 Dec 2022 12:47 AM

Yep, Duke is going to replace Haaland at Man City.

Nail hit squarely on it's head. 

It's great that Australia progressed, but it was a solid team effort based on players digging deep and following a specific set of instructions, rather than players being of a higher ability.  It was a triumph of the whole being greater than the sum of it's parts.  Around the world, those who are talking about Australia are talking about the team, not the individuals (with the obvious exception of Souttar). 


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Benjamin - 17 Dec 2022 10:49 AM
tomw - 5 Dec 2022 11:12 AM

Nail hit squarely on it's head. 

It's great that Australia progressed, but it was a solid team effort based on players digging deep and following a specific set of instructions, rather than players being of a higher ability.  It was a triumph of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.  Around the world, those who are talking about Australia are talking about the team, not the individuals (with the obvious exception of Souttar). 


So based on your assessment, does that mean Arnie is then a world-class manager? 
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Benjamin - 17 Dec 2022 10:49 AM
tomw - 5 Dec 2022 11:12 AM

Nail hit squarely on it's head. 

It's great that Australia progressed, but it was a solid team effort based on players digging deep and following a specific set of instructions, rather than players being of a higher ability.  It was a triumph of the whole being greater than the sum of it's parts.  Around the world, those who are talking about Australia are talking about the team, not the individuals (with the obvious exception of Souttar). 


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