Definitely the Sydney and Melbourne teams will be hit hardest in the short-term, (except SFC and Victory who will likely hold out).
Brisbane and Newcastle could be affected mid to long-term depending on how their state's NPL clubs perform and how well they can engage with the community by comparison.
Not too sure about the rest.

league structure is crap no P/R and salary cap

doesnt help the FA do everything to hate on fans ie SU58, MV Active Support etc 

no grass roots 

no pathways to the top 

crap like pride round and welcome to country etc have no place in football 

Yet still better than the NSL

No troll, just a supporter unlike you.

only time will tell.

but i will say that the former nsl clubs will be well supported.

Nah

Most clubs will average 2-3k. If that.

They weren’t well supported when they were in the top flight, why would they be now?

You might get a few clubs being able to average 4k or so, and that would be a very good outcome if it can be maintained for the long term.

Roosty you’re always the nark on most things.
Be it 1 or 2k happy days we need this to work somehow and gain traction for the future. 

Those figures would be plenty as a starting point. Gate receipts alone would be decent.

2000 X $10 entry is $20k a week. 15 home games = $300k. Not bad.

Especially for those clubs that own their own stadium or have very good agreements in place. 

I agree that $300k is pretty good...until you have to cover annual costs of some $2.5 mill.

As you said on another thread, we are unncessarily putting high cost impediments on prospective teams, when I would have thought, the very last thing you want to do is to make it difficult for clubs to enter the comp because of cost.

That's gate takings alone. There's sponsorships, restaurants, bars, pokies, merch sales etc etc.

not the best measure....NSL folded and was running at 1/3 of the cost 

but honestly i hope things improve i do want football to improve in Australia i love the game but under this administration i think it will continue to go backwards 

Maybe see if some of the Aleague clubs can manage those figures fist mate.... An NST club will make more money from 2.5 k at their home ground than WU makes from 2.5K at AAMI.... 

It is impossible to overstate the incompetence the APL has shown so far. 

I don't disagree with any of those points.
I still think the criteria are going to impose high annual costs, around $2.5 million per annum as a minimum.
At the moment, I reckon your average NPL club is sitting around one third of that as an annual cost.
Some will be able to step up, most will not be able to do it.

This thing has been modelled and re-modelled.... EOI are out and I guess we will have to see mate... I dont disagree with you but if at least 35 clubs (presidents had a meeting last night) seem to be up for it..... who knows what is possible?
Im sure they have factored in crowds much lower than Aleague to see what they can financially "live with"  For example, as per previous Aleague bid, South can cover stadium, match day, insurance and operational costs with 1,400 paying customers per round..... Thats pretty low hanging fruit I reckon.

This is exactly right. The EOI will determine whether this sinks or swims. I do agree though they 'could' be making it overly onerous so as not to have anyone make it and thence no NST.

I see the value in playing in higher quality stadiums, but the reality is that they are too big for 90% of matches and it seems to devalue the product through a reduction in atmosphere and is bad optics. 

I wouldn't count on paying customers very much based on good crowds in the NST. Watched a few Sydney NPL game highlights and the crowds appeared in the hundreds.

Fair enough then, I guess, based on your analysis, the FA should juts give up on the idea all together?

Could a mod please fix the spelling in the title of this thread. It hurts my eyes every time I click on it.

There are mods still here?

whilst they are counting 7.5k avg per round at the pro league and throw in some freebies.

You still don’t get it. I have travelled to all away GFs. My team was the designated away team, which is fair and equitable. I am not going to Sydney if my team earns the right to host it. they can GAGF. It is not fair and equitable. 


This guy gets it. 

The funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board.

No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money.

Yep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals.  Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF.

Your analysis is skewed.

More people watching Macarthur NPL matches than their Aleague ones and MY analysis is skewed? Righto champ.

Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it.

As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain.

As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. 


Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given.  

But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point.  And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock.

If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win.