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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Yeah. But all the talk about Optus being a potential broadcaster last time around was all a load of crap. They still have to want us. And ideally pay for it. It's not the league's choice unfortunately.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion. I know people that were at the game that said MV mob were very wound up BEFORE Glover threw flare and that was just the trigger they needed to do something stupid/ because of apl gf decision. Think I’ve said this to you before: you should work for the apl
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion. I know people that were at the game that said MV mob were very wound up BEFORE Glover threw flare and that was just the trigger they needed to do something stupid/ because of apl gf decision. Think I’ve said this to you before: you should work for the apl MV mob have been wound up many times in big games. Those idiots wouldn't care about the GF decision. They're being sikunts for the sake of it. Fact remains they would never have invaded pitch if Glover didn't throw the flare. Have a look at the footage. Criticise the APL and hold then responsible when it's deserved. The pitch invasion isn't one of these times.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion. There were texts going around everywhere that day to invade the pitch, they were never going to do a peaceful walkout and let the game go on. Now the violent incident with Glover probably wouldnt have happened and maybe the game continues after they get everyone off and fix the goals if he didnt throw the flare back. But they had always planned to invade the pitch.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xthe timing of this thread is just impecable, especially when the EOI for clubs to clubs to join our second division is here. i expect fans to abandon the A-league clubs in droves as they'll go back and support their nsl clubs A-league clubs are gonna be bare bones in a few years I doubt there's more than 10% crossover. only time will tell. but i will say that the former nsl clubs will be well supported. Nah Most clubs will average 2-3k. If that. They weren’t well supported when they were in the top flight, why would they be now? You might get a few clubs being able to average 4k or so, and that would be a very good outcome if it can be maintained for the long term. Maybe see if some of the Aleague clubs can manage those figures fist mate.... An NST club will make more money from 2.5 k at their home ground than WU makes from 2.5K at AAMI.... I don't disagree with any of those points. I still think the criteria are going to impose high annual costs, around $2.5 million per annum as a minimum. At the moment, I reckon your average NPL club is sitting around one third of that as an annual cost. Some will be able to step up, most will not be able to do it. This thing has been modelled and re-modelled.... EOI are out and I guess we will have to see mate... I dont disagree with you but if at least 35 clubs (presidents had a meeting last night) seem to be up for it..... who knows what is possible? Im sure they have factored in crowds much lower than Aleague to see what they can financially "live with" For example, as per previous Aleague bid, South can cover stadium, match day, insurance and operational costs with 1,400 paying customers per round..... Thats pretty low hanging fruit I reckon. I wouldn't count on paying customers very much based on good crowds in the NST. Watched a few Sydney NPL game highlights and the crowds appeared in the hundreds. Fair enough then, I guess, based on your analysis, the FA should juts give up on the idea all together?  Your analysis is skewed. More people watching Macarthur NPL matches than their Aleague ones and MY analysis is skewed? Righto champ. AL 7,500 average compared to NPL average? It's worse than skewed. Using the clubs that might get into the NST competition the average attendance of those clubs over the last 3 seasons of the NSL was just over 3,000 per game. That was when the NSL was not performing so it is a reasonable comparison with the A-League now. Last NSL season vs the worst ALM season of all time in comparison = ALM 250% better attended. Why is the NSL season in 2004 relevant to the conversation? The median house price in Melbourne was under $300k in 2004 and the population was also 2 million less than today.... Stop living in the past Paulie.... 19 years of franchsing to get to first division games STILL getting less than 2k people to some games is major failure whichever way you slice it. Whatever happened to the "football but not as you now it" garbage you lot where promised back in 2005? The thread is diminishing Aleague attendances and your counter is "but it's better than NSL" FFS who cares? There's over a dozen posts that mentioned the NSL before I ever did. Season 2004 is relevant because someone else raised it and I commented on it. You are indeed bitter and a lying one at that. ??? What exactly am I lying about Paulie?? Serious question, point out where you think I have not told the truth and i can at least address it... BTW, I now understand all of you Aleague guys complaining about the Summer heat being absolutely ridiculoius for football, last night at Lakeside it was around 30 degrees at 7.30 Kickoff and id definitely kept a bigger crowd away, only around 1500 - 2000 by my estimate, pretty poor for opening match at home... Wonder what the Tarneit Gypsies crowd will be like in similar conditions tonight? Pity there are some tastier NPL matches on at the same time..... https://twitter.com/dmaikousis/status/1626161928421908480?cxt=HHwWgIDRrY_qpJEtAAAA
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion. mob were very wound up BEFORE Glover threw flare and that was just the trigger they needed So essentially you agree with him ffs
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If you weren't at the match I don't you'd understand how tense the crowd was
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Pitch invasion was fueled by anger about gf decision Incorrect. Flares were fueled by GF decision. Perhaps. (There have always been flares at MV games, esp derbies) Glover throwing flare into crowd instigated the pitch invasion. Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it’s ‘Incorrect’ Mr Judge Judy. Gf decision definitely made fans/pitch invader morons even more angry and even more likely to do something stupid They were never gonna invade the pitch. Everyone knows that. The morons excuse to invade was the flare thrown into the crowd by Glover. It's pretty plain to see from the footage that act instigated them. That is a fact. It's what occurred. Not an opinion. mob were very wound up BEFORE Glover threw flare and that was just the trigger they needed So essentially you agree with him ffs Agree with who exactly??
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy.
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Will any second division clubs have to have youth and junior teams to be allowed to participate in the new competition?
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+xWill any second division clubs have to have youth and junior teams to be allowed to participate in the new competition? They all already do mate......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost Just telling the truth .... twice mate :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost Just telling the truth .... twice mate :) Hahahaha touché
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. There'll be offers. Of some kind I'd imagine. All these services still need content. But if the league stays as is, it definitely won't get the same deal.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. There'll be offers. Of some kind I'd imagine. All these services still need content. But if the league stays as is, it definitely won't get the same deal. I would honestly not be surprised I'd there were no bids at all unless by the some miracle the ratings are turned around. And it will take a miracle.
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+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from.
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+x+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from. Westfield.
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How evidently disgraceful it is to play in Tasmania. No one is there to watch. Tell us that there are 7000k watching so I can criticise Apl some more.
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Interesting that there is no one at the professional game but a few thousand at a suburban ground in Adelaide watching an npl game.
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+x+x+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from. Westfield. Very simplistic if you think that. Lowy worked for no financial personal gain and incurred significant expenses. Westfield and Lowy were responsible to its Board and Shareholders. They already sponsored the Women's league. Whilst they may have had a marketing excuse for that, no organization worth its salt would pour more, requiring tens if not hundred's of millions into something with no return. The A-League has to stand up on its own feet without a sugar daddy. You know how the proverb goes............ "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"
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Aside from security is anyone attending the WU v Nix game? It actually looks empty.
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