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+xI honestly think had he not appointed his son things would have gone very differently Steve just didn't have the charisma required to keep the hordes at bay and going against him was going against the family This is true. As they say, when Lowy senior calls the prime minister, the prime minister picks up the phone. Not so with junior. At that juncture of the game's development (time of transition from senior to junior), there should have a been a new fresh proactive approach to take the game forward with a change of the guard that served well (not perfect, but well) up to that point.
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. We're having an adult discussion about a complex issue and in you come with your usual half arsed aggro, protected by the internet. I always wonder what people like you are like in your day to day lives. Are you this obnoxious? Unlike like your simple-minded dribble, have something factual to say, You made the claim. I asked you a question: how much money flowed in to the game under Lowy's leader ship? You don't even know and you come with your moronic post. The reason football is toxic in this country is that most-not all- people involved in it do not care for the game. They care only about themselves. No matter how big the money pot is/was it always gets swallowed up with zero to show for it That will never change. That is the "culture" of the people in the game. Cant argue against ANY of that.
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+x+xThere were texts going around everywhere that day to invade the pitch, they were never going to do a peaceful walkout and let the game go on. Now the violent incident with Glover probably wouldnt have happened and maybe the game continues after they get everyone off and fix the goals if he didnt throw the flare back. But they had always planned to invade the pitch. That is unequivocally not true, and it pissed me off people are still claiming this. Sure, there was some social media posts claiming we “should” invade the pitch. But there was no directive from anyone (including the OSM leadership) to invade the pitch. I am telling you this as absolute fact, from the horses mouth. Stop spreading bullshit. +xA serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. My gut feel is that the long term plan has always been to turn KeepUp into a streaming service. I mean I literally only login to Paramount for A-League games so would be fine by me
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. I have some recollection of those early days. Apart from the selling of licenses at around $5 million a pop (Victory wasn't able to meet the full cost in that first season), we had that long term sponsorship deal with Hyundai, which I thinik was pretty good. For that first season, we essentially gave the rights away for next to nothing to Fox, just to get some coverage, and then the following year we had a $120 milll deal for 7 years (around $17 mill per annum). That was followed by a deal for 4 years for $160 mill (or $40 mill per annum), for the first time that included an FTA component, with one game per round on SBS, for which they were paying $7 mill per annum (looking back, that's the sweetest deal we've ever had). SBS got the best ratings we've ever seen for the game, and then, inexplicably, Gallop sabotaged that relationship, and it has sort of been downhill ever since on every measure. Wasn't there a government seed fund as well? And a phone call between Lowy and the then Prime Minister of Australia? For the first season TV deal that was he market value of the game. Lowy got what he could to kick it all off. So you're talking about around $300 Million TV deal for 11 years. You then had sponsorships by mainstream brands like Samsung and Hyundaii and QANTAS. The revenue streams were supported by unheard of regular season and Grand final crowd averages. Say another $300 mill. Over half a $billion.. All that money was Lowys fault. Apparently For all the politics, backstabbing, mudslinging etc everyone involved in the game knows deep down we would've been better if the game kept Lowy involved. If you can set aside your bias, ego and bitterness, and put the game first. If you mean just the Aleague then I guess I agree with you..... The man knows how to turn a buck that's for sure.... For one thing he wouldn't have let the FA even dream of a second division or ever letting the wogs back into his league. Now what the definition of "put the game first" as compared to Lowy's is .... thats a different story.
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+xThere were texts going around everywhere that day to invade the pitch, they were never going to do a peaceful walkout and let the game go on. Now the violent incident with Glover probably wouldnt have happened and maybe the game continues after they get everyone off and fix the goals if he didnt throw the flare back. But they had always planned to invade the pitch. That is unequivocally not true, and it pissed me off people are still claiming this. Sure, there was some social media posts claiming we “should” invade the pitch. But there was no directive from anyone (including the OSM leadership) to invade the pitch. I am telling you this as absolute fact, from the horses mouth. Stop spreading bullshit. +xA serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. My gut feel is that the long term plan has always been to turn KeepUp into a streaming service.
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I honestly think had he not appointed his son things would have gone very differently
Steve just didn't have the charisma required to keep the hordes at bay and going against him was going against the family
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. I have some recollection of those early days. Apart from the selling of licenses at around $5 million a pop (Victory wasn't able to meet the full cost in that first season), we had that long term sponsorship deal with Hyundai, which I thinik was pretty good. For that first season, we essentially gave the rights away for next to nothing to Fox, just to get some coverage, and then the following year we had a $120 milll deal for 7 years (around $17 mill per annum). That was followed by a deal for 4 years for $160 mill (or $40 mill per annum), for the first time that included an FTA component, with one game per round on SBS, for which they were paying $7 mill per annum (looking back, that's the sweetest deal we've ever had). SBS got the best ratings we've ever seen for the game, and then, inexplicably, Gallop sabotaged that relationship, and it has sort of been downhill ever since on every measure. Wasn't there a government seed fund as well? And a phone call between Lowy and the then Prime Minister of Australia? For the first season TV deal that was he market value of the game. Lowy got what he could to kick it all off. So you're talking about around $300 Million TV deal for 11 years. You then had sponsorships by mainstream brands like Samsung and Hyundaii and QANTAS. The revenue streams were supported by unheard of regular season and Grand final crowd averages. Say another $300 mill. Over half a $billion.. All that money was Lowys fault. Apparently For all the politics, backstabbing, mudslinging etc everyone involved in the game knows deep down we would've been better if the game kept Lowy involved. If you can set aside your bias, ego and bitterness, and put the game first.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. I have some recollection of those early days. Apart from the selling of licenses at around $5 million a pop (Victory wasn't able to meet the full cost in that first season), we had that long term sponsorship deal with Hyundai, which I thinik was pretty good. For that first season, we essentially gave the rights away for next to nothing to Fox, just to get some coverage, and then the following year we had a $120 milll deal for 7 years (around $17 mill per annum). That was followed by a deal for 4 years for $160 mill (or $40 mill per annum), for the first time that included an FTA component, with one game per round on SBS, for which they were paying $7 mill per annum (looking back, that's the sweetest deal we've ever had). SBS got the best ratings we've ever seen for the game, and then, inexplicably, Gallop sabotaged that relationship, and it has sort of been downhill ever since on every measure. Wasn't there a government seed fund as well? And a phone call between Lowy and the then Prime Minister of Australia? For the first season TV deal that was he market value of the game. Lowy got what he could to kick it all off. So you're talking about around $300 Million TV deal for 11 years. You then had sponsorships by mainstream brands like Samsung and Hyundaii and QANTAS. The revenue streams were supported by unheard of regular season and Grand final crowd averages. Say another $300 mill. Over half a $billion.. All that money was Lowys fault. Apparently
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. We're having an adult discussion about a complex issue and in you come with your usual half arsed aggro, protected by the internet. I always wonder what people like you are like in your day to day lives. Are you this obnoxious? Unlike like your simple-minded dribble, have something factual to say, You made the claim. I asked you a question: how much money flowed in to the game under Lowy's leader ship? You don't even know and you come with your moronic post. The reason football is toxic in this country is that most-not all- people involved in it do not care for the game. They care only about themselves. No matter how big the money pot is/was it always gets swallowed up with zero to show for it That will never change. That is the "culture" of the people in the game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. I have some recollection of those early days. Apart from the selling of licenses at around $5 million a pop (Victory wasn't able to meet the full cost in that first season), we had that long term sponsorship deal with Hyundai, which I thinik was pretty good. For that first season, we essentially gave the rights away for next to nothing to Fox, just to get some coverage, and then the following year we had a $120 milll deal for 7 years (around $17 mill per annum). That was followed by a deal for 4 years for $160 mill (or $40 mill per annum), for the first time that included an FTA component, with one game per round on SBS, for which they were paying $7 mill per annum (looking back, that's the sweetest deal we've ever had). SBS got the best ratings we've ever seen for the game, and then, inexplicably, Gallop sabotaged that relationship, and it has sort of been downhill ever since on every measure.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. We're having an adult discussion about a complex issue and in you come with your usual half arsed aggro, protected by the internet. I always wonder what people like you are like in your day to day lives. Are you this obnoxious?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for. Obnoxious little man, aren't you?
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+x+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from. What were the numbers?
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+xAside from security is anyone attending the WU v Nix game? It actually looks empty. We used to get good attendance at the Adelaide v Victory preseason games in Launceston and in the 3 A-League games played there a decade or more ago they got 5k, 6k and just under 7k but they then moved the games to Hobart and since then any game involving A-League clubs in Launceston has had small crowds especially if the clubs playing are low profile. Why would anyone expect many to turn up to a WU v Wellington game especially on a day when the temperature was 32?. That is only 4 below the record temperature here.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Utter garbage. Tell me, how much money was pumped into the game by way of TV deals and sponsorships under Lowys leadership? Do you know that number? You got what you wished for.
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Aside from security is anyone attending the WU v Nix game? It actually looks empty.
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+x+x+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from. Westfield. Very simplistic if you think that. Lowy worked for no financial personal gain and incurred significant expenses. Westfield and Lowy were responsible to its Board and Shareholders. They already sponsored the Women's league. Whilst they may have had a marketing excuse for that, no organization worth its salt would pour more, requiring tens if not hundred's of millions into something with no return. The A-League has to stand up on its own feet without a sugar daddy. You know how the proverb goes............ "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"
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Interesting that there is no one at the professional game but a few thousand at a suburban ground in Adelaide watching an npl game.
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+x+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from. Westfield.
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+xThe League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. It was lucky to get the capital it did - which was a miracle in itself. Not sure where the rest would have come from.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. There'll be offers. Of some kind I'd imagine. All these services still need content. But if the league stays as is, it definitely won't get the same deal. I would honestly not be surprised I'd there were no bids at all unless by the some miracle the ratings are turned around. And it will take a miracle.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. There'll be offers. Of some kind I'd imagine. All these services still need content. But if the league stays as is, it definitely won't get the same deal.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost Just telling the truth .... twice mate :) Hahahaha touché
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost Just telling the truth .... twice mate :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy. Accidental repost
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy.
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+xWill any second division clubs have to have youth and junior teams to be allowed to participate in the new competition? They all already do mate......
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Will any second division clubs have to have youth and junior teams to be allowed to participate in the new competition?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe funny thing about your uber staunchness is, is that you probably don't believe in Grand finals anyway, just like 90% of this board. No matter how you protest, you are hurting the club you claim to love and support. This will not affect the FA or whatever the fuck they call themselves these days, they already have the money. Wrong. I have strongly supported the finals system since day 1 and have been quite vocal about this on this forum. I’m not a Eurosnob who thinks we should copy how they do it in Europe. Finals are an Australian sporting tradition, and we are an Australian league. But playing the GF in Sydney every year will make the championship trophy worthless and meaningless. The APL have devalued it and reduced the incentive to win it. As @gurudave said ^^^, the ones that aren’t going to games and making sacrifices for the betterment of Australian Football are the true football fans. Short term pain for long term gain. As for hurting my own club... They fucked up massively too and deserve to feel the pain. A bit of tough love now to avoid the same mistakes in the future is needed. They have a lot of work to do to win many of us back. +xYep, the only chance I see of reversing this dumb decision is for non-NSW clubs to be in the GF for the next 3 years. Although many people won't protest the regular season, a lot of people will protest the GF if their team makes it. Some by choice, some won't be able to afford the trip, some won't be able to get time off, etc, etc. Either way, people that may have tried to attend simply won't this time around. We already know that Sydney people have next to zero interest in attending a GF as neutrals. Visit NSW will realise there is very little ROI (if any) and won't want to extend the agreement. Other states may be willing to buy the GF, but they won't be offering anywhere near what NSW has paid. Then we can just hope common sense prevails and we return back to the highest ranked gets the GF. Yep. Melbourne City are gonna win the league and host the GF in Sydney. That a given. But we need their opponent to be an Adelaide or a Wellington. Or even a CCM who have a small fan base. We need a GF with 20,000+ empty seats so the Australian media catches on and makes it a big talking point. And the APL are turned into a massive laughingstock. If WSW or Sydney make the GF, the APL will get their full house and they win. Don't forget that CCM v NJFC drew almost 37000 to a grand final in Sydney in season 3. Nothing is impossible. Also don't forget the 2 Melbourne teams played off in a grand final at AAMI park in front of 10,000 empty seats. That's was embarassing and costly to the league. A GF in Sydney for the next 3 years is guaranteed money for the league, and ultimately the club's. The GF home team gets a big chunk of the ticket sale money. Hosting a home GF interstate almost guarantees that chunk will be much much smaller. 56k+ attended the Perth GF at Optus stadium. There is no way they would get that same level of ticket sales in Sydney, especially if the away team is also from interstate. Then there is the added money they get from match day merch sales, events, etc. Non-NSW clubs lose money in this deal. The income guaranteed from NSW govt plus any further gate takings will ensure the GF always makes a serious profit. Meanwhile during home/away season the Apl are losing $ thousands from poor attendance numbers due to the same sydney gf decision… the irony 😆 really was the last nail in the coffin for many AL supporters and the poor attendance numbers since decision is proof. City and Adelaide GF please 🙏 will be interesting how many supporters don’t renew club memberships again next season Perhaps an initial decline. Bit not as dramatic for most clubs. Apart from victory perhaps. Adelaide back to normal. Perth are selling their ground out. Albeit small. Brisbane up and down. Always like that at Redcliffe. Poor performances too. Wellington. No change really. WU and Mac same poor crowds. SFC - may have been poor because of performance. WSW - not the same since Parra days. MC - always ordinary. Let's see what the derby is like. The major incident last derby doing more damage than the GF decision perhaps. Early to say the GF decision has had a lasting impact. The reality is crowd figures are neither here nor there. The money comes from television and the ratings are an absolute disaster and commercially unsustainable. It isn't lack of people at Live games that will be the demise of the A-League. It's the lack of people in front of TV screens. Agreed Fair point Economic realities need to be considered by the stakeholders. 3 years left of this P+ deal?? I still would've preferred us to have stayed with Foxtel. The key thing is that we need to be wherever the Premier League is. That must now be the sole criterion. Agree but for a broadcaster the A League is now literally of no value. The viewing figures are unequivocal. Hard to argue with this. I mean, Optus weren't even willing to put in a nominal bid last time round. They saw zero value in adding the A-League to their content, which tells us a lot. A serious attempt at crystal ball gazing : at the completion of this TV deal there will be no offers for the rights. They will be commercially toxic. Either the competition folds or it is moves to a part time pro competition with APL subcontracting production and managing a subscription streaming service. I've worked in the media industries for over 30 years and I have never seen an asset as mismanaged as the A League has been, first by FFA and then by the APL. The League was grossly undercapitalised from the outset, however, and that's down to Frank Lowy.
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