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+x+x+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Lol what shit. Why would PR mandate that the biggest teams get the most TV money? If every game is being shown, then there is no reason that TV money can't be distributed equally. It literally works in every country bar America and they could do it tomorrow if they weren't run by a bunch of Muricaball fans, saying it will not here for no other reason than we're different doesn't fly anymore. You missed the point entirely. It seems the main argument on here from people that want to implement pro/rel is that 'it works in the rest of the world'. What also works in the rest of the world is having the t.v money split unevenly with the top couple of teams getting the most. The argument that something works elsewhere is not enough. There's no analysis that has been put forward on here that pro/rel would work here on a financial basis and make the league secure.As I said, there are a lot of posters with a philosophical commitment to pro/rel, but they don't back it up with any real analysis of how that could work in the Australian sports marketplace. Again you are talking blatant shit. TV Income for the most part is shared equally across clubs in most league, Spain is the only real example i can think of where league TV money is distributed unequally and that's just because they've had a dumb system where clubs organise their own TV deal. Only prize money is varied in England and that's so clubs have more incentive to outlay capital. Also 25% is split to clubs depending on how many games they appear on domestic TV and that only exists because the UK ban 3pm kick offs being shown on TV so only certain club freatures. The A-League has no prize moneyand all games are on TV so it's not a problem here. And thus even bringing up the idea that in-equal distribution as proof that following world standards is a mistake is utterly pointless. But whatever, We're Special, Australia is Different, muh unique sporting landscape.
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+x+x+xStill awaiting the arrival of homosapien. every time you post Wonderful Do you know more than one word/sentence? Go back to the weshtern shuburbsh dickhead.
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+x+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Lol what shit. Why would PR mandate that the biggest teams get the most TV money? If every game is being shown, then there is no reason that TV money can't be distributed equally. It literally works in every country bar America and they could do it tomorrow if they weren't run by a bunch of Muricaball fans, saying it will not here for no other reason than we're different doesn't fly anymore. You missed the point entirely. It seems the main argument on here from people that want to implement pro/rel is that 'it works in the rest of the world'. What also works in the rest of the world is having the t.v money split unevenly with the top couple of teams getting the most. The argument that something works elsewhere is not enough. There's no analysis that has been put forward on here that pro/rel would work here on a financial basis and make the league secure.As I said, there are a lot of posters with a philosophical commitment to pro/rel, but they don't back it up with any real analysis of how that could work in the Australian sports marketplace.
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I think NSL was more focused on developing new talent because that was the only way to make money for the clubs.
I feel that A-League clubs are far too comfortable just taking in the salary cap and that covers the costs.
Clubs really are ignoring the one massive advantage they have over the other codes here and that is develop top talent and sell them for millions.
Not one single club has a proper developmental mindset. It's criminal
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Lol what shit. Why would PR mandate that the biggest teams get the most TV money? If every game is being shown, then there is no reason that TV money can't be distributed equally. It literally works in every country bar America and they could do it tomorrow if they weren't run by a bunch of Muricaball fans, saying it will not here for no other reason than we're different doesn't fly anymore. "top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money" is this bloke for real? Deadset we've reached the stage where the donkeys just make any shit up now to argue against proper football concepts.
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+x+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Lol what shit. Why would PR mandate that the biggest teams get the most TV money? If every game is being shown, then there is no reason that TV money can't be distributed equally. It literally works in every country bar America and they could do it tomorrow if they weren't run by a bunch of Muricaball fans, saying it will not here for no other reason than we're different doesn't fly anymore. "top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money" is this bloke for real?
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+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Lol what shit. Why would PR mandate that the biggest teams get the most TV money? If every game is being shown, then there is no reason that TV money can't be distributed equally. It literally works in every country bar America and they could do it tomorrow if they weren't run by a bunch of Muricaball fans, saying it will not here for no other reason than we're different doesn't fly anymore.
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+x+xStill awaiting the arrival of homosapien. every time you post Wonderful
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+x+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Do you just dream up doomsday scenarios with no evidence all time? No, I leave that to people who are philosophically wedded to promotion and relegation who are unable to put forward any evidence based case as to how that would be successful here in the Australian sports market.
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I think it is impossible to compare the two, they are from different times and periods. Different influences in the ever changing canvas of Australia. There were/are positives and negatives to both leagues. The biggest difference is the guys running the league. For all the faults of the FFA, and there are many, they are still a million miles ahead of Soccer Australia, who ran the league so unprofessionally and poorly that kids these days will just never understand. I will often have a soft spot for the NSL as I spent many years growing up going to Cosmos games with my dad and friends. It never mattered when the team played poorly (most of the time in the earlier years) or well (mainly the last ever season on the back of the brilliant Milton Cortes), it was just fantastic to have a team to call our own and go to live football every other week for a large part of the year. And for all its faults, at least the NSL delivered me a childhood of going to the football, something the FFA has previously denied kids in Canberra over the past number of years. Now we are at a point that no one in Canberra seems interested in trying to resurrect a bid for inclusion, so we will be left in the wilderness for some time to come. Now I feel sad, who was the wise one who brought this thread back up? :P
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+x+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here. Do you just dream up doomsday scenarios with no evidence all time?
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+xThe A-League replaced the NSL because it was SO SHITWhat do some people not get
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+x+x+xStill awaiting the arrival of homosapien. every time you post Go fluff davide. Its been 5 mins. It's a confusing age having all these hormones run through your body, urges you don't quite understand rising up inside you etc. We have all been through it, you'll be fine.
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+x+xStill awaiting the arrival of homosapien. every time you post Go fluff davide. Its been 5 mins.
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+xStill awaiting the arrival of homosapien. every time you post
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+x+xAustralopithecus vs Neanderthal. Still awaiting the arrival of homosapien. If you were trying to sound smart, you failed. Like you even understood my post, little meme boy. And to say that either the nsl or the hal has evolved to its highest form would be fucking stupid. Like your stupid ass who never comtributes anything other than snarky littke sniper-shot one liners from the shadows. Fking loser.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
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+xAustralopithecus vs Neanderthal. Still awaiting the arrival of homosapien. If you were trying to sound smart, you failed.
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+xWe are just focussing on 2006 here. Many argue and make a fair case that the 1997 team was even better, that team had even greater NSL links. Yep and the 2001 side, both would've qualified for the World Cup through Asia. Don't see how people can claim that the majority of the golden generation squad had not played in the NSL. ~16 or 17/23 of the 2006 Squad had played in the NSL before moving to Europe lol
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What's the NSL & A League, I don't recognise these terms?
I know there used to be something called the Effnik Enclave League & now there is the Z League so I think it would be beneficial if the title was changed.
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+x+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer No its not. If you want it, maybe you also want what everyone else in the world has as well. ie. the top 2 teams take 50% of the t.v money. Sounds good to me MVFC and SFC can slice up the cash and the rest can get the dregs. That will be much better for player development as all the youngsters will be fighting to leave their small club to go to one of the big 2. Just because something works overseas doesn't mean it will work here.
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The A-League replaced the NSL because it was SO SHIT What do some people not get
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+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 have their hands full with not only AFL but also V8 Supercar. Although the AFL is mostly done and dusted by the time the A-League kicks in, and doesnt start again until the A-League is finnished, the V8 commitments kick in pretty strong once the AFL is over and it would be a struggle to finnd airtime for the A-League. Channel 9 is obviously too busy during the summer with their cricket coverage so nothing could really be done their either. This really only leaves Channel 10, as i dont really see the ABC or SBS as a viable option. Channel 10 have little in the way of sporting commitments outside of the AFL now they have lost the V8's, and most of their motorsport coverage is either late night stuff for the Formula One and the bikes, or delayed replays of rallying. The A-League could easily sit in and around Channel 10's existing sporting commitments and is the main avenue that i would be exploring if i was a part of the FFA.
Crucially, any deal with a free-to-air network would have to be in partnership with foxsports. Channel 10 would never be able to show every game of every round live, particularly when we start getting more teams. However in combination with Fox Sports, it'd be reletively easy to have all games televised live each weekend. Perhaps two on Channel 10 and two on Fox each week.
Also lets not forget that a strong tv deal = more money to the FFA, which the FFA could then destribute to the clubs which would enable to clubs to possibly expand their salary cap, thus building the quality of players in the league We have come so far in 10 short years.................... or not. still working this out. 10 years on. Davide forgot the blue text Yeah....this thread bump didn't go in the direction I had planned aha I will try to be more obvious in the future
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+x+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal So the question is. how do we keep the commercialism with professional standards whilst not boring everyone with a bland competition? And PR is the only answer
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Australopithecus vs Neanderthal. Still awaiting the arrival of homosapien.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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+x+x+x+xChannel 7 have their hands full with not only AFL but also V8 Supercar. Although the AFL is mostly done and dusted by the time the A-League kicks in, and doesnt start again until the A-League is finnished, the V8 commitments kick in pretty strong once the AFL is over and it would be a struggle to finnd airtime for the A-League. Channel 9 is obviously too busy during the summer with their cricket coverage so nothing could really be done their either. This really only leaves Channel 10, as i dont really see the ABC or SBS as a viable option. Channel 10 have little in the way of sporting commitments outside of the AFL now they have lost the V8's, and most of their motorsport coverage is either late night stuff for the Formula One and the bikes, or delayed replays of rallying. The A-League could easily sit in and around Channel 10's existing sporting commitments and is the main avenue that i would be exploring if i was a part of the FFA.
Crucially, any deal with a free-to-air network would have to be in partnership with foxsports. Channel 10 would never be able to show every game of every round live, particularly when we start getting more teams. However in combination with Fox Sports, it'd be reletively easy to have all games televised live each weekend. Perhaps two on Channel 10 and two on Fox each week.
Also lets not forget that a strong tv deal = more money to the FFA, which the FFA could then destribute to the clubs which would enable to clubs to possibly expand their salary cap, thus building the quality of players in the league We have come so far in 10 short years.................... or not. still working this out. 10 years on. Davide forgot the blue text Yeah....this thread bump didn't go in the direction I had planned aha I will try to be more obvious in the future
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A-League didn't get a 50 million dollar deal. FFA did, they are still dividing up the cash. Probably count it as s $29 million deal.
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+xNSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh. I doubt the NSL would ever of got a 50 million a year tv deal
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NSL wouldn't have had fans bored shitless like they are now. At least the variety of teams, supporter bases and venues kept things fresh.
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add Brisbane Strikers, South Melbourne, Hobart Timbers, Sydney Athletic, Melbourne Rangers (Casey/Dandenong), Northern Spirit and id say the a-league.
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