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Barca4Life - 8 Jul 2023 5:40 PM
riquelmes_laces - 8 Jul 2023 2:24 PM
Ok then to prove your point, give me one example of a player that has achieved ‘teen’ numbers in terms of goals and assists and achieved a record transfer fee to a big club?

Ill give you a hint I can’t think of many that has done this in recent times…

Recent times have been an absolute failure in producing talent. That's a terrible benchmark to set. 

Let's see how he goes (if BR gives him a run).
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Monoethnic Social Club - 10 Jul 2023 11:24 AM
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riquelmes_laces - 7 Jul 2023 9:25 AM

So you’re saying that 10 goals and 5 assists which put him 5th place overall in the whole league in terms of goals and assists combined isn’t enough for Celtic to pay a record transfer fee?

Honestly some of the takes of here are ludicrous…I’m sure scouts who look at our players know more than someone on an internet forum. 

I guess the proof is in the pudding mate.... Lets just wait and see what the kid can produce on the park (if he gets a chance)

Totally.

Who knows, he could do well 
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Barca4Life - 7 Jul 2023 11:48 AM
riquelmes_laces - 7 Jul 2023 9:25 AM

So you’re saying that 10 goals and 5 assists which put him 5th place overall in the whole league in terms of goals and assists combined isn’t enough for Celtic to pay a record transfer fee?

Honestly some of the takes of here are ludicrous…I’m sure scouts who look at our players know more than someone on an internet forum. 

I guess the proof is in the pudding mate.... Lets just wait and see what the kid can produce on the park (if he gets a chance)
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riquelmes_laces - 8 Jul 2023 2:24 PM
Barca4Life - 7 Jul 2023 11:48 AM

Stating the obvious there pal. That's their job. 

Look at his stats for passing, crossing, successful dribbles, shooting accuracy. 

Whilst his 10 goals / 5 assists is a good start, players should be getting in the "teens" for goal involvements for 2-3 seasons in the A-league before moving to Europe. 
Ok then to prove your point, give me one example of a player that has achieved ‘teen’ numbers in terms of goals and assists and achieved a record transfer fee to a big club?

Ill give you a hint I can’t think of many that has done this in recent times…
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Barca4Life - 7 Jul 2023 11:48 AM
riquelmes_laces - 7 Jul 2023 9:25 AM

So you’re saying that 10 goals and 5 assists which put him 5th place overall in the whole league in terms of goals and assists combined isn’t enough for Celtic to pay a record transfer fee?

Honestly some of the takes of here are ludicrous…I’m sure scouts who look at our players know more than someone on an internet forum. 

Stating the obvious there pal. That's their job. 

Look at his stats for passing, crossing, successful dribbles, shooting accuracy. 

Whilst his 10 goals / 5 assists is a good start, players should be getting in the "teens" for goal involvements for 2-3 seasons in the A-league before moving to Europe. 
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riquelmes_laces - 7 Jul 2023 9:25 AM
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You have to DOMINATE the A-league to deserve European football. 

I think some people overrate flashes of form in the A-league and automatically translate that to a worthy move to Europe. 

99% of European players in the top 25 leagues are better than Australians. 

You literally have to be in the 99th percentile as an Aussie to really make it in Europe. Tilio is nowhere near that. 

One could make a case that a league like the K or J-league might be better suited, but then the majority of their home-grown players are better than Tilio so what's the point. 

Tilio is just an average player. He's middle of the bell curve in just about every department in a fairly low-grade league.

So you’re saying that 10 goals and 5 assists which put him 5th place overall in the whole league in terms of goals and assists combined isn’t enough for Celtic to pay a record transfer fee?

Honestly some of the takes of here are ludicrous…I’m sure scouts who look at our players know more than someone on an internet forum. 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 6 Jul 2023 4:44 PM
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Hmmm maybe lets see how he goes (if he ever gets any match time that is) before the whole "deserves to be playing in Europe" bit.

Personally I dont rate the kid at all, but admittedly only every seen him in a few national team games and the Aleague grand final... Olyroos apart from one goal (on debut I think?) and Socceroos I would say pretty weak in making meaningful space for himself.... A bit small physically and doesnt seem to handle the physical argy bargy well which would put him at a disadvantage in Scotland... Arzani was the same (in my eyes anyway) In the Aleague grand final I didn't even notice him playing, the young fullback, can't remember his name, had him in his pocket the whole match.  

Nobody "deserves" to be playing in Europe, they need to prove they can cope... He should have gone to a less physical, slower league ... again just an opinion.

You have to DOMINATE the A-league to deserve European football. 

I think some people overrate flashes of form in the A-league and automatically translate that to a worthy move to Europe. 

99% of European players in the top 25 leagues are better than Australians. 

You literally have to be in the 99th percentile as an Aussie to really make it in Europe. Tilio is nowhere near that. 

One could make a case that a league like the K or J-league might be better suited, but then the majority of their home-grown players are better than Tilio so what's the point. 

Tilio is just an average player. He's middle of the bell curve in just about every department in a fairly low-grade league.
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SpongeBobFC - 6 Jul 2023 1:14 PM
I remember Arzani going onloan to Utrecht after and had some really encouraging moments and was getting some good minutes.
The coach went to Germany from memory and the new coach came in and froze Arzani out straight away.


Some players never come back from AN ACL. Okon was never the same player after his. Arzani was out for a long time, much longer than usual for an ACL. There were obviously unusual complications. 
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SoccerooFan - 2 Jul 2023 4:14 PM
riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM

You've obviously got no idea or don't watch the a league. He had a great season & deserves to be playing in Europe. 

Hmmm maybe lets see how he goes (if he ever gets any match time that is) before the whole "deserves to be playing in Europe" bit.

Personally I dont rate the kid at all, but admittedly only every seen him in a few national team games and the Aleague grand final... Olyroos apart from one goal (on debut I think?) and Socceroos I would say pretty weak in making meaningful space for himself.... A bit small physically and doesnt seem to handle the physical argy bargy well which would put him at a disadvantage in Scotland... Arzani was the same (in my eyes anyway) In the Aleague grand final I didn't even notice him playing, the young fullback, can't remember his name, had him in his pocket the whole match.  

Nobody "deserves" to be playing in Europe, they need to prove they can cope... He should have gone to a less physical, slower league ... again just an opinion.
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I remember Arzani going onloan to Utrecht after and had some really encouraging moments and was getting some good minutes.
The coach went to Germany from memory and the new coach came in and froze Arzani out straight away.


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Short memory must have a…
Arzani has never been the same since acl apart from glimpses of brilliance occasionally 🙁

yep, sure hit his confidence never near the same afterwards whereas others comeback as if nothing happenned.
Everyone is different.
Real shame hit him at the worst time of his then promising career, all water under the bridge now.



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grazorblade - 6 Jul 2023 4:34 AM
Balin Trev - 3 Jul 2023 6:40 PM

why do people act as though he didn't tear his acl in his debut?

Short memory must have a…
Arzani has never been the same since acl apart from glimpses of brilliance occasionally 🙁
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Balin Trev - 3 Jul 2023 6:40 PM
Beretta - 3 Jul 2023 4:40 PM

Tilio should go fine if he doesn’t tear an acl

why do people act as though he didn't tear his acl in his debut?
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Beretta - 3 Jul 2023 4:40 PM
hopefully not a flop like Daniel Arzani 2.0 

Tilio should go fine if he doesn’t tear an acl
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hopefully not a flop like Daniel Arzani 2.0 
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I think lets just wait and see what occurs on the pitch once he's bedded in.......


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riquelmes_laces - 2 Jul 2023 7:51 PM
SoccerooFan - 2 Jul 2023 4:14 PM

I've got enough of an idea, how many games is enough of a sample size?

Do I need to watch every minute of Tilio's season(s)? 

From what I've seen, I see a player lacking the fitness to play European football and a player that is middle of the bell curve as far as skill. 

I'd put just about every starting XI and bench player ahead of him. Name me one player in Celtic's current squad who is inferior? Even James Forrest is a better player than Tilion. 

I'd say, based on actually watching him play last season, that he is at the same level as Abada and better than Maeda & Forrest. There's also talk that Jota & Abada may leave.
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Davstar - 1 Jul 2023 6:02 PM

Erm, they've paid a lot more than that for utter dross over the years.

lol exactly.
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SoccerooFan - 2 Jul 2023 4:14 PM
riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM

You've obviously got no idea or don't watch the a league. He had a great season & deserves to be playing in Europe. 

I've got enough of an idea, how many games is enough of a sample size?

Do I need to watch every minute of Tilio's season(s)? 

From what I've seen, I see a player lacking the fitness to play European football and a player that is middle of the bell curve as far as skill. 

I'd put just about every starting XI and bench player ahead of him. Name me one player in Celtic's current squad who is inferior? Even James Forrest is a better player than Tilion. 
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riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM
Tilio is bang average...sorry.

You've obviously got no idea or don't watch the a league. He had a great season & deserves to be playing in Europe. 
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Barca4Life - 1 Jul 2023 8:06 PM
So Melb City's two recent transfers both broke Aus. footballs domestic transfer within the matter of weeks, and have picked up around 4 million dollars in the process.

If that's not a sign for clubs to take youth development seriously who can get the benefit of decent transfer fees from overseas then I dont know what it is.
There is a billion dollar industry sitting around waiting to take advantage of, if the clubs have the right strategies in place and will help the clubs bottom line and of course it will help the reputation of Aus. football and the national team pool.

Good luck to Marco Tilio such a joy to watch, im sure he will do well over there because hes an exciting talent.


But all clubs are not part of the City Football Group.  CFG opens doors for players, it adds to their value, it improves their bargaining position.

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Davstar - 1 Jul 2023 6:02 PM
riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM

clubs like Celtic dont pay 2m on a player that is 'bang average'

Erm, they've paid a lot more than that for utter dross over the years.
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riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 8:35 PM
Davstar - 1 Jul 2023 6:02 PM

Actually to the contrary, before Ange arrived they made several multi-million dollar flop signings. 

I really don't see what he brings to Celtic. He's like a 6/10 in just about every department. 

'pretty irrelevant' argument every club/s will sign loads of players that end up flopping 

they DONT sign players becuz they think they will be 'bang average' [or going to flop] they sign them becuz scouts and management think they can add something to the squad and will be a positive addition to the team...... 

ill say this i dont think he will become the next Kewell, and the SPL is not really any better then the HAL bar Celtic and Rangers [which also isn't that far ahead]  most clubs wouldn't have loads more money then our competition. 

This 'could' be his level [or his ceiling] but that is better then 75 percent of the players that have been capped for the Socceroos in the last 10 years - i do get that he isnt the 'super exciting' prospect like Azani  was but MT going to Celtic is good for Australia if he can cement a place in the XI 

However if he continues to development playing in Europe puts him in the shop window for bigger things - if not he ends up coming back to Australia 


i think it is a 'good move' he will play against opposition not a whole lot better [if not the same] as what he is used to in the A-league and he will also get to play against some of the 'very' best in the UCL. 

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riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM

clubs like Celtic dont pay 2m on a player that is 'bang average'

Actually to the contrary, before Ange arrived they made several multi-million dollar flop signings. 

I really don't see what he brings to Celtic. He's like a 6/10 in just about every department. 
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So Melb City's two recent transfers both broke Aus. footballs domestic transfer within the matter of weeks, and have picked up around 4 million dollars in the process.

If that's not a sign for clubs to take youth development seriously who can get the benefit of decent transfer fees from overseas then I dont know what it is.
There is a billion dollar industry sitting around waiting to take advantage of, if the clubs have the right strategies in place and will help the clubs bottom line and of course it will help the reputation of Aus. football and the national team pool.

Good luck to Marco Tilio such a joy to watch, im sure he will do well over there because hes an exciting talent.
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riquelmes_laces - 1 Jul 2023 5:53 PM
Tilio is bang average...sorry.

clubs like Celtic dont pay 2m on a player that is 'bang average'

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Tilio is bang average...sorry.
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Squidley - 30 Jun 2023 10:13 PM
I think City come back to the pack this upcoming season.

Tilio, O'Neill and Bos are huge losses. Glover going too. Ugarkovic a decent signing but not in the same class as O'Neill. 

I wonder if they bring in some more experienced heads to try and win it or stick fat with getting kids in to try and turn them into profit. 

Big opening for Adelaide United and potentially Wanderers who seem to have settled squads

hopefully they continue their habit of signing the best 2-3 youth and high quality foreigners
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I think City come back to the pack this upcoming season.

Tilio, O'Neill and Bos are huge losses. Glover going too. Ugarkovic a decent signing but not in the same class as O'Neill. 

I wonder if they bring in some more experienced heads to try and win it or stick fat with getting kids in to try and turn them into profit. 

Big opening for Adelaide United and potentially Wanderers who seem to have settled squads
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johnszasz - 30 Jun 2023 8:39 PM
MARCO TILIO: CELTIC FC BOUND 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🔥

A new Australian outgoing transfer record has been set as the Melbourne City FC star becomes one of Brendan Rodgers' first signings since returning to Celtic FC!

📰 Details: https://bit.ly/44hv6ba

Melbourne City have made some money from transfers this year!
Bos and Tilio in excess of $2 million each and presumably a good fee for Aidan O'Neil.

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