Their numbers growing is an outcome, not a cause.   What's the cause?

As for Dan Andrews, he be will remembered as the most divisive, disliked if not outright despised politician since Jeff Kennett.  He leaves the State in more debt than NSW and QLD combined.  He should have stayed to face the electorate.

Always happy to help someone who wants to better themselves Muz.

Firstly I've already said that the spending includes what we all get plus around another $7  billion over an above that. 

Like nearly all of these types of  "agencies" that are "Here to Help TM", they mostly help themselves.  There rarely is an audit of the outcomes they produce.  Instead we get statements form them about how (insert social problem)  "remains stubbornly high.  We recommend more government funding, more experts and more support staff for the experts.  Perhaps even a Voice to parliament".

Their numbers growing is an outcome, not a cause.   What's the cause?

As for Dan Andrews, he be will remembered as the most divisive, disliked if not outright despised politician since Jeff Kennett.  He leaves the State in more debt than NSW and QLD combined.  He should have stayed to face the electorate.

Yeah I'm worried about gender nut jobs more than say right wing cookers who lock themselves away on a farm and then shoot policemen and their neighbours dead. Or neo Nazis that freely walk the streets Melbourne. Nothing to see here.

One lot are annoying and a pain in the arse.

One lot, yours, are dead set dangerous.

I don't have the answers which I've said multiple times. 

Maybe you can enlighten us plebs being the font of all knowledge that you are.

Maybe by banning cross dressers from libraries and left leaning woke idealogues from uni campuses will help set us on the path to closing the gap. Can't hurt.

And I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that fact check.

You're 33 billion includes things like defence spending and road infrastructure etc etc that covers everybody else in Australia. Suggest you reread the article.

Agreed, it is a "blip" now butt it is rapidly growing thats the point.... Dan Andrews just resigned and my phone is going crazy with dildos celebrating like its some kind of win against the "axis of evil" .....

Hahahahah thanks Enzo, I feel a hell of a lot better now ... it was all just a dream :P

You are white.  And male. You did not come here to evade persecution and death.  When you arrived your family had all the privileges, wealth and opportunity.  You did not suffer prejudice, hate and racism at the hands of the "skips".  Your people were never called "greasers", or  "wogs".  Racism did not exit back then- the people on 442 have told you so in a previous thread.  Your family history as an immigrant has been wiped out. 

Signed: The New Order.

Mate how many of these people do you thin are out there?  Seriously.

Its like the gender and identity nut jobs pushing their ideologies.  They're a blip in the overall population.   But unlike the flat earthers, these nutjobs have wormed and infested government and school campuses, making them far more influential and dangerous.  They're the ones you should be fearing, because their claws and tentacles reach far and wide and only growing.

In society. (Ours).  A percentage will do.

1.  I didn't say that.

2. I know you like facts, except when they are facts you don't like.  I prefer actual government reports over media spin.  So here goes:

The $35  billion is accurate.

In 2015‑16, total direct government expenditure on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians was estimated to be $33.4 billion, a real increase from $27.0 billion in 2008‑09.

https://www.pc.gov.au/ongoing/indigenous-expenditure-report/2017

It includes all the spending that we all get, plus around and additional $7 billion.

The media articles you posted are limiting the spending to the budget of $4.5 billion given to the National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) which provides advice to the prime minister and minister for Indigenous Australians, is tasked with coordinating the federal government's service delivery and policies with respect to First Nations Australians. 

Read that carefully: Mostly white middle class public servants charging the tax payer $4500000000 for "advice, policies and co-ordination" on indigenous people.    Every year. 

For comparison, the Fed Budget allocated just $5.7 Billion over 5 YEARS to build a stronger Medicare....for a populaion that will be pushing 30 million at the end of it.

Clearly, its not enough- how much more do you think we'll need?

I don't know what 'recognised and addressed' means. It's what I said on the other page. That's the argument to have.

Fair enough then. Just wanted to point out that the actual voters making the decision on this referendum may not be as inclined to vote for "justice" for another group when they have no recourse for justice of their own.....  and are only in a position to vote here in the first place because they too where the victims of an equivalent situation. 

Geography is fluid mate, there is always someone living somewhere first. And as abhorrent as what the English did to indigenous cultures throughout the whole world (and yes I 100% agree it was genocide) it really isnt that different to other empires of the past....  My concern, if you can call it that, is the "recognised and addressed" section of your comment... What does this mean for everyone else? The language, nor the intent isnt clear ... at least to my peasant brain..... 

No one's arguing that but none of those things happened here and as tragic as all these events are that's not relevant to the people that were living here first. That's my point.

And yes occupation has occurred all though history across the whole world. I'm not denying that either.

None of that means it can't be recognised and addressed. Have a look at the reevaluation of the British Empire that's currently happening. Once upon a time it was just a given that what they did around the world was fine. Ask any Indian what they think about the empire and it's not so black and white anymore.

So it is different to what happened here and why there's a discussion going on about it here. The Turks, Cypriots, Armenians, Yugoslavs, Sudanese can have their own discussions.

Truer words have not been spoken (typed) Its a scary as fuck world out there....  I always thought Idiocracy was a prophetci movie ... In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king and all that. 

"The only thing I'd say to that is they were here first and were dispossessed (along with everything else that happened to them) and that is different to everyone else that was sent or chose to come here. I feel like some sort of recognition is deserved. I guess the argument is what does that 'recognition' involve?"

Sorry mate, but that is plain wrong.... Speak to our wonderfully diverse Australian migrants about the reason why they "chose" to come here and you will hear many a tale of dispossession of land, theft, rape and murder...   My neighbour is a lovely Cypriot man and his wife who migrated here in 1974 after the Turkish army invaded his homeland and to this day remain as illegal occupiers of his actual house (a house that had been in his family for at least 5 generations)... that was 50 years ago.... let alone 250 years ago like British colonisation.  Or the Vietnamese bloke down the street that came here with his mum and sister on a boat in the late 70s when the Commies killed his dad and overtook Saigon and kicked them out... ...  Or our South Sudanese communities, or Lebanese in the 80s or ex Yugo countries etc etc etc etc.... fact is, the world over.... bad countries invade other countries and take whatever they want..... its not FAIR but it is human nature and history ..... To the victor go the spoils..... 

I actually kind of like the flat earthers. They're so mental it's awesome.

What a coward sack of shit that Abbott is - he should be told to fuck off from campaigning. Remember when he campaigned against the gay marriage vote when it came time to actually vote on the bill he chickened out, man of convictions hey.....

In society or at No rallies?

In society an increasing amount.

At No rallies more than the average populace.

Fair enough. You're right. We should stop trying with money and well intentioned people and use thoughts and prayers instead.

By the way why am I not surprised you're parroting One Nation talking points?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-28/fact-check-tony-abbott-niaa-voice-parliament/102656190

https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/niaa-does-not-spend-$30b-on-indigenous-programs-annually

Brands accusers have said they felt compelled to come out after Brand's new found prominence as online influencer with millions of followers on youtube and other sites... Source The Hill.

Why should that be the motive to accuse someone of rape?

Why go to the media before going to the police?
The UK government has made a statement insinuating his guilt yet he has been charged with nothing. 

Its Higgins v Lehrman, Geoffrey Rush, Johnny Depp v Amber Heard all over again.

They are all so stupid. It’s frightening. 

Do you seriously think that generations of people before you have not had the same ideas and tried too achieve the very things you're saying?

Around $35 billion PER YEAR currently is spent on aboriginal affairs.  This is about the same as Medicare AND Private Health Rebate combined.

Is there any time when we actually take an audit of what is being achieved with that money, are the root causes being addressed, or is the solution yet again even more money?

How many 5G/ Pedo Ring/Flat Earthers would you say there are?

The only thing I'd say to that is they were here first and were dispossessed (along with everything else that happened to them) and that is different to everyone else that was sent or chose to come here. I feel like some sort of recognition is deserved. I guess the argument is what does that 'recognition' involve?

And then he we are.

I'm all for helping the black fellas out. I know a lot of people are why should they get free education, free uni, free courses, grants for this grants for that.

For sure it's unfair. Why are they special?

But I guess I'd rather have a black fella getting a degree and a job and paying taxes for the next 50 years then being a train wreck for the rest of their lives and dragging their kids and family down with them. Costing the taxpayers orders of magnitude more in welfare, healthcare, incarcerations etc etc.

An upfront investment for a long term payoff. Given an either/or I'm going for helping them out.

You can run the same arguments for prisoners. Why are we paying for them to get an education and a trade in jail instead of punishing them? But they're going to be released one day. Do we really want them walking out the door and not be productive members of society?

Will the Voice help achieve a 'levelling up'?

I tend to think something is better than nothing. Enzo and Rusty will say they already get billions and that's a fair point. I'm not in Aboriginal affairs, I have nothing to do with policy, I don't know what is happening on the ground in every part of Australia and I think anyone saying they do know is talking out of their arse. I would say that I believe (or I want to believe) most people in these areas are trying to help.

Yeah the hair shirt mob are annoying too but in general they're not 5G annoying.

You could play conspiracy bingo with 20 buzzwords on a card and you'd tick them off in 5 minutes flat at any No rally.

I usually like in the comments on Facebook that are along the lines of 'have you had your 8th booster yet?' And then something about the gub'ment', Agenda 21, Moderna and Bill Gates.

I actually think we probably reached peak average intelligence about 10 to 20 years after the internet became popular. And then vested interests realised you could say anything to anybody with no restrictions at all with predictable consequences.

The rise in flat earth beliefs as an example is just baffling. The movie Idiocracy is becoming more like a documentary every day.
 
I'm on the local weather watch page in my town. Every other day some fucking clown is on there talking about chemtrails and weather engineering and how the gub'ment makes it rain whenever you want. When you ask them why we still have droughts that the government then has to pay out billions in supports it's just crickets or a link to a cloud seeding page somewhere as if that means 'case closed'.

And it's not 1 or 2 either, there's dozens of the stupid pricks.

Oh 100% 

some of  them are nauseous 

half of f them are pushing towards people towards no 

In fairness mate, some of the wobble board, tin rattlers in the "yes" camp aren't exactly the sort of people I wold want to be in the same room, let alone have a conversation, with. 

Hahahaha they really do look like a special breed eh? Dozey bastards dont realise how much damage they are doing to their actual "cause" All they have to do to get what they want is shut the fuck up and let normal mainstream Australia do what it does best... instead they are going to make a song and dance about it and lose a few marginals voters who dont want to be seen agreeing with the nut-jobs ... This country is hilarious sometimes. 

Also the climate hoax gang were there.

tbh if you are white, I can’t see why you’d be actively campaigning for ‘No’ - besides the obvious reason. 

I did laugh at the pictures of the 'No' campaigners. You forgot 'no 15 minute cities' but yeah a real cornucopia of nutjobs there.

The usual suspects in abundance. Imagine if you were a 'no' campaigner in good faith and had to mix and talk with those fuckwits.