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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis OP is classic, luv his work lol..... bohemia it was no diff to when AL/Lowy started mind you, some paid more some paid less, there was no standard Franchise price just depended on the demographic and desperation adding a new Franchise. To big business $25M isn't alot in the big picture trouble is what do they see ahead for the ROI.Can't see much unless Townsend is the amazing who can sell ice to the eskimos, he probably will look great IF one or 2 sell but surely at bargain price. With the inception of the aleague owners were told not to expect an ROI within first 5 years. But things will get better after that. 16 years on and things are probably worse. And the enthusiasm for purchasing a licence is even worse than 2004-05.. Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits? Maybe Man Utd, but only due to relentless asset stripping from the Glazers, and look where's it got them: a once proud club hasn't won a title in more than a decade. Practically every other owner would rather chase glory than see their toy turn a profit. The most they hope for is increased on-sale value from someone willing to pay even more money to play with the toy. Celtic. OK, so all you need to be a profitable football club is to have 10x the turnover of every other club in your league bar one. Not really a realistic model for A-League owners. There are others.You asked for one and didn't like the answer so how about Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester City? Seriously? Man City are infamous for running such enormous deficits that they have been in constant danger of violating UEFA's FFP rules. Tottenham have a billion pound stadium debt that they have to manage. In the last three years they have lost 50.1m pounds, 80.2m pounds and 67.7m pounds. Someone else mentioned Arsenal. In 2021 they posted a loss of 107.3m pounds. In 2022 this was "only" 45.5m pounds. Go back to the pre-Covid financial year 2018-19 and it's still a sizable 27.1m pounds. These are all established "Big 6" clubs. They almost always run at a loss. Any club trying to catch up with them (e.g. Newcastle) will have to run at an even bigger loss. Occasionally a smaller club will post a nominal yearly profit due to a transfer windfall, but as sure as night follows day that will be eaten up the following year as they spend the money on new players to try to keep with the pack. Football is a loss-making endeavour. Some American owners have tried to prove otherwise, but they usually end up sending the clubs they own into terminal decline. You asked "Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits?" That was answered. Celtic, Tottenham and Manchester City. Look at their annual reports for confirmation. Tottenham have made profits in 6 of the past 9 years, That is regularly. Yes, Tottenham have a stadium debt to manage but that doesn't affect their profit history. Manchester City's Annual Reports show an even better regularity of profitability. Their possible flaunting of FFP rules is another matter. The answers obviously didn't fit your agenda. No one is arguing that, in general, football clubs are profitable they aren't.
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+x+x+xAgain it was a soft target, it's not as if they said "We will definitely have buyers for our two expansion teams by June". Yep, just the same as 22 weeks later Is a few weeks difference between when the teams are announce really a big deal? They're still on course for a 24-25 kick-off and that's really the only important thing. DT didn't prevaricate when Joey Lynch asked him about whether owners were in place and whether the target price had been met, so it sounds like being a done deal at this point. Facts are this :- - APL has at least 3 licenses for Sale, plus it wants to sell 4 more in the next 10 months
- Someone for some reason told a journo at the West Austtralian that there were 'dozens of potential buyers' and they published
- Pelligra for some reason decides to go public with his first offer
- Townsend for some reason goes to the media claiming they've got at least 3 buyers
So, You've got - A market with no-one buying (how long has NJ been up for grabs)
- ONE known interested Buyer using the surplus to beat down the price (he's already pulled the pin when AU asked too much)
- A Salesman claiming there is a shortage
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis OP is classic, luv his work lol..... bohemia it was no diff to when AL/Lowy started mind you, some paid more some paid less, there was no standard Franchise price just depended on the demographic and desperation adding a new Franchise. To big business $25M isn't alot in the big picture trouble is what do they see ahead for the ROI.Can't see much unless Townsend is the amazing who can sell ice to the eskimos, he probably will look great IF one or 2 sell but surely at bargain price. With the inception of the aleague owners were told not to expect an ROI within first 5 years. But things will get better after that. 16 years on and things are probably worse. And the enthusiasm for purchasing a licence is even worse than 2004-05.. Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits? Maybe Man Utd, but only due to relentless asset stripping from the Glazers, and look where's it got them: a once proud club hasn't won a title in more than a decade. Practically every other owner would rather chase glory than see their toy turn a profit. The most they hope for is increased on-sale value from someone willing to pay even more money to play with the toy. Celtic. OK, so all you need to be a profitable football club is to have 10x the turnover of every other club in your league bar one. Not really a realistic model for A-League owners. There are others.You asked for one and didn't like the answer so how about Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester City? Seriously? Man City are infamous for running such enormous deficits that they have been in constant danger of violating UEFA's FFP rules. Tottenham have a billion pound stadium debt that they have to manage. In the last three years they have lost 50.1m pounds, 80.2m pounds and 67.7m pounds. Someone else mentioned Arsenal. In 2021 they posted a loss of 107.3m pounds. In 2022 this was "only" 45.5m pounds. Go back to the pre-Covid financial year 2018-19 and it's still a sizable 27.1m pounds. These are all established "Big 6" clubs. They almost always run at a loss. Any club trying to catch up with them (e.g. Newcastle) will have to run at an even bigger loss. Occasionally a smaller club will post a nominal yearly profit due to a transfer windfall, but as sure as night follows day that will be eaten up the following year as they spend the money on new players to try to keep with the pack. Football is a loss-making endeavour. Some American owners have tried to prove otherwise, but they usually end up sending the clubs they own into terminal decline. You asked "Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits?" That was answered. Celtic, Tottenham and Manchester City. Look at their annual reports for confirmation. Tottenham have made profits in 6 of the past 9 years, That is regularly. Yes, Tottenham have a stadium debt to manage but that doesn't affect their profit history. Manchester City's Annual Reports show an even better regularity of profitability. Their possible flaunting of FFP rules is another matter. The answers obviously didn't fit your agenda. No one is arguing that, in general, football clubs are profitable they aren't. If you believe Man City make a profit then I have a bridge to sell you. If they can declare profits then this is only because of massively inflated sponsorship deals coming from companies linked to their owners, which have been the subject of repeated investigations by UEFA and the PL since they are clearly dodgy. Tottenham managed to profit for a couple of years by being a shrewdly managed net-seller under Pochettino. Now they have much worse squad management, massive loan repayments on the stadium to make and are regularly posting losses. And this is the Premier League, where clubs are gifted an ungodly sum from global broadcasting contracts. The situation in other leagues is much, much worse. Real Madrid only avoided bankruptcy due to corrupt land deals with local government. Barcelona has only done so by selling off a chunk of future revenue to private equity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis OP is classic, luv his work lol..... bohemia it was no diff to when AL/Lowy started mind you, some paid more some paid less, there was no standard Franchise price just depended on the demographic and desperation adding a new Franchise. To big business $25M isn't alot in the big picture trouble is what do they see ahead for the ROI.Can't see much unless Townsend is the amazing who can sell ice to the eskimos, he probably will look great IF one or 2 sell but surely at bargain price. With the inception of the aleague owners were told not to expect an ROI within first 5 years. But things will get better after that. 16 years on and things are probably worse. And the enthusiasm for purchasing a licence is even worse than 2004-05.. Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits? Maybe Man Utd, but only due to relentless asset stripping from the Glazers, and look where's it got them: a once proud club hasn't won a title in more than a decade. Practically every other owner would rather chase glory than see their toy turn a profit. The most they hope for is increased on-sale value from someone willing to pay even more money to play with the toy. Celtic. OK, so all you need to be a profitable football club is to have 10x the turnover of every other club in your league bar one. Not really a realistic model for A-League owners. There are others.You asked for one and didn't like the answer so how about Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester City? Seriously? Man City are infamous for running such enormous deficits that they have been in constant danger of violating UEFA's FFP rules. Tottenham have a billion pound stadium debt that they have to manage. In the last three years they have lost 50.1m pounds, 80.2m pounds and 67.7m pounds. Someone else mentioned Arsenal. In 2021 they posted a loss of 107.3m pounds. In 2022 this was "only" 45.5m pounds. Go back to the pre-Covid financial year 2018-19 and it's still a sizable 27.1m pounds. These are all established "Big 6" clubs. They almost always run at a loss. Any club trying to catch up with them (e.g. Newcastle) will have to run at an even bigger loss. Occasionally a smaller club will post a nominal yearly profit due to a transfer windfall, but as sure as night follows day that will be eaten up the following year as they spend the money on new players to try to keep with the pack. Football is a loss-making endeavour. Some American owners have tried to prove otherwise, but they usually end up sending the clubs they own into terminal decline. You asked "Can you name a single football club in the world that regularly makes profits?" That was answered. Celtic, Tottenham and Manchester City. Look at their annual reports for confirmation. Tottenham have made profits in 6 of the past 9 years, That is regularly. Yes, Tottenham have a stadium debt to manage but that doesn't affect their profit history. Manchester City's Annual Reports show an even better regularity of profitability. Their possible flaunting of FFP rules is another matter. The answers obviously didn't fit your agenda. No one is arguing that, in general, football clubs are profitable they aren't. If you believe Man City make a profit then I have a bridge to sell you. If they can declare profits then this is only because of massively inflated sponsorship deals coming from companies linked to their owners, which have been the subject of repeated investigations by UEFA and the PL since they are clearly dodgy. Tottenham managed to profit for a couple of years by being a shrewdly managed net-seller under Pochettino. Now they have much worse squad management, massive loan repayments on the stadium to make and are regularly posting losses. And this is the Premier League, where clubs are gifted an ungodly sum from global broadcasting contracts. The situation in other leagues is much, much worse. Real Madrid only avoided bankruptcy due to corrupt land deals with local government. Barcelona has only done so by selling off a chunk of future revenue to private equity. Manchester City's accounts are audited. They reflect a true and fair view of its situation. If they didn't they would be qualified. To suggest otherwise is a slur on the accounting profession. 6 years is not a couple. There is no gifting re the broadcasting deals. It is an entitlement. The deals reflect market value. 'Real Madrid closed the 2021/22 financial year with a profit of €13 million, after taxes and minority interests, while closing the 2022/2023 financial year with a profit of €12 million." Barcelona " Barça has started the ascent with a net profit of 97.6 million euros in 2021/2022, signaling brighter days ahead."
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+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream.
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+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced).
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+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September
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+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). So Danny has $50 million in the bank account and is still trying to get fed governemnt to part with more of the Womens Sport development fund money??? hahaha cheeky boy.
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+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). I'm idling in believing is seeing mode
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+x+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September you mean the sale ?. Pretty curious that IF you had a couple of sales you'd be leaking it out pretty quick re the APL ?
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+x+x+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September you mean the sale ?. Pretty curious that IF you had a couple of sales you'd be leaking it out pretty quick re the APL ? Why? This season starts in the around 7 weeks. The news would be swamped by AFL/NRL finals. The CEO of NZ Football, JJ's equivalent, was the the one talking about it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September you mean the sale ?. Pretty curious that IF you had a couple of sales you'd be leaking it out pretty quick re the APL ? Why? This season starts in the around 7 weeks. The news would be swamped by AFL/NRL finals. The CEO of NZ Football, JJ's equivalent, was the the one talking about it. So the AFL announces their match schedule on the morning of one of our biggest Socceroos games in recent history and the APL is waiting for "clean air" to announce the only positive news that could possibly help get everyone off their backs for 15 mins??? hahahahaah
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+x+x+x+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September you mean the sale ?. Pretty curious that IF you had a couple of sales you'd be leaking it out pretty quick re the APL ? Why? This season starts in the around 7 weeks. The news would be swamped by AFL/NRL finals. The CEO of NZ Football, JJ's equivalent, was the the one talking about it. That’s a weak point imo. As always thinking bout them not out game. Scared of the big bad 2codes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xit takes time to sort through dozens and dozens of applicants. I honestly can't see how anyone could look at an A League clubs and think it was worth gambling on. And then I say this having been an A League supporter since season 1. 25 million is an absolute fantasy, an APL fever dream. Don't know the amount but the rumour is that licenses for Canberra and Auckland have been sold (not announced). NZ Football officials during the WWC were pretty definite that the Auckland ALM and ALW teams would be announced in September you mean the sale ?. Pretty curious that IF you had a couple of sales you'd be leaking it out pretty quick re the APL ? Why? This season starts in the around 7 weeks. The news would be swamped by AFL/NRL finals. The CEO of NZ Football, JJ's equivalent, was the the one talking about it. That’s a weak point imo. As always thinking bout them not out game. Scared of the big bad 2codes. It's not a weak point. Why would they leak it now. There is little upside in it being lost in the other codes noise. If it gets announced in the lead up to the ALW start that the next year the ALW team in Canberra will have an ALM it becomes good news in the shadow of the WWC. Then it gets followed by a Socceroos match and the start of the ALM. Sounds like a very good reason to not leak.
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The WWC is on its last fumes now, Kerrs mentions of euro awards or feats last couple of days the iron is there now and to announce is great timing now riding on the back and last fumes as mentioned. You like your idea to wait I say now.
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+xThe WWC is on its last fumes now, Kerrs mentions of euro awards or feats last couple of days the iron is there now and to announce is great timing now riding on the back and last fumes as mentioned. You like your idea to wait I say now. Fair enough - but I expect to see other announcements in the lead up to the season - especially in Qld and Canberra.
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Looks like Auckland have their owners 
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+xLooks like Auckland have their owners About 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 062224 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 i s a Residential property built in 2017 with 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms and 2 parking spaces. Due to insufficient data, the value of the property cannot be estimated.The property last sold for $1,900,000 on 5 September 2003. It was sold by Premium Real Estate. On 1 June 2021, 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 had a Rating Valuation with a Capital Value of $8,000,000, Land Value of $4,615,000 and Improvement Value of $3,385,000.
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+x+xLooks like Auckland have their owners About 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 062224 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 i s a Residential property built in 2017 with 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms and 2 parking spaces. Due to insufficient data, the value of the property cannot be estimated.The property last sold for $1,900,000 on 5 September 2003. It was sold by Premium Real Estate. On 1 June 2021, 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 had a Rating Valuation with a Capital Value of $8,000,000, Land Value of $4,615,000 and Improvement Value of $3,385,000. Probs put his personal address down until they get club offices or something.
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+x+x+xLooks like Auckland have their owners About 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 062224 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 i s a Residential property built in 2017 with 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms and 2 parking spaces. Due to insufficient data, the value of the property cannot be estimated.The property last sold for $1,900,000 on 5 September 2003. It was sold by Premium Real Estate. On 1 June 2021, 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 had a Rating Valuation with a Capital Value of $8,000,000, Land Value of $4,615,000 and Improvement Value of $3,385,000. Probs put his personal address down until they get club offices or something. American who's on the Board of the New Zealand Breakers Basketball team ?
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+x+x+x+xLooks like Auckland have their owners About 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 062224 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 i s a Residential property built in 2017 with 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms and 2 parking spaces. Due to insufficient data, the value of the property cannot be estimated.The property last sold for $1,900,000 on 5 September 2003. It was sold by Premium Real Estate. On 1 June 2021, 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 had a Rating Valuation with a Capital Value of $8,000,000, Land Value of $4,615,000 and Improvement Value of $3,385,000. Probs put his personal address down until they get club offices or something. American who's on the Board of the New Zealand Breakers Basketball team ? That's who I'm getting on the google
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+x+x+x+xLooks like Auckland have their owners About 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 062224 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 i s a Residential property built in 2017 with 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms and 2 parking spaces. Due to insufficient data, the value of the property cannot be estimated.The property last sold for $1,900,000 on 5 September 2003. It was sold by Premium Real Estate. On 1 June 2021, 24 Seacliffe Avenue, Belmont, Auckland, 0622 had a Rating Valuation with a Capital Value of $8,000,000, Land Value of $4,615,000 and Improvement Value of $3,385,000. Probs put his personal address down until they get club offices or something. American who's on the Board of the New Zealand Breakers Basketball team ? Well the upside for the APL is at least they have experience in a professional sporting environment I suppose..... Hope this works out for our Aleague friends.... I wonder who will "announce" their news first APL with new franchise or FA with the NST clubs... either way the timing on this will be very very interesting.
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New Zealand Breakers minority owner Marc Mitchell is understood to be at the centre of the consortium seeking to back a new Auckland A-Leagues club. Multiple football sources have indicated the Mitchell-led consortium is in advanced discussions with Australian Professional Leagues, the body that runs A-League Men and A-League Women, and that some form of public announcement is imminent. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/132887010/breakers-minority-owner-marc-mitchell-at-centre-of-auckland-aleagues-bid
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In what might just be one of sport’s biggest surprises of the year, a former All Black has been confirmed as a bidder for the new Auckland A-League football franchise. Ali Williams is leading a local consortium trying to secure the new expansion licence for the team, which will join the trans-Tasman football competition in October 24. These days a property developer, Williams' bid is also thought to involve the Mowbray family, best known for their mega-success with the Zuru toys brand. Local football identities are also tipped to be on board.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/07/former-all-black-confirmed-as-bidder-for-auckland-a-league-team/
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What about Canberra's bid, Capital Region group?
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+xWhat about Canberra's bid, Capital Region group? Rumours are announcement soon. Most likely Andrew Barr looking for some way to bury it so that THE GIANTS CAN STAY IN TOWN
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+xIn what might just be one of sport’s biggest surprises of the year, a former All Black has been confirmed as a bidder for the new Auckland A-League football franchise. Ali Williams is leading a local consortium trying to secure the new expansion licence for the team, which will join the trans-Tasman football competition in October 24. These days a property developer, Williams' bid is also thought to involve the Mowbray family, best known for their mega-success with the Zuru toys brand. Local football identities are also tipped to be on board.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/07/former-all-black-confirmed-as-bidder-for-auckland-a-league-team/ And they're gonna build a new stadium, crikey !
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