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+xWhat I expect to see coming out of the WWC is a large number of girls and ladies fronting up to clubs next season wanting to get a game and finding that the clubs aren't ready for them. Right across Australia we need clubs and competitions planning now how they will run if suddenly the demand increases by 25-50-100% with the most of the increase driven by people who are new to the game. What will the club with 200 players with 40 or 50 females do when another 20 to 50 want to play? What about the larger clubs in FNSW and Capital Football with 1000+players? Do the State Feds need to be budgeting for seed funding for new grassroots clubs and growing grassroots clubs to cater for the increased demand? I don't expect that there will be much difference at the elite levels of the football ecosystem. New players will move through to that as they develop and are spotted over the next decade but the influx of grassroots players brings with it the potential for new football fans provided they get a good and enjoyable introduction to the beautiful game and provided that the clubs at the various levels of the elite game are active within their local community and their wider community of interest. The thing is this, participation rates have never been a problem in our game. The first problem is we don't have the facilities to accommodate them all, The second problem is we don't have the "destinations" for them.
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+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it
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+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate.......
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+xIt will be interesting if this all translates in greater W League attendances. Considering the bulk of the Matildas Squad doesnt play in the W-League why would it? national team success is good for particpation - as more and more young girls say 'i want to be the next Sam Kerr' It does nessarily mean more girls/boys are watching a completely different league/competition I obviously hope it does result in more people watching and attending games but it is a long 'bow' to draw saying Matildas doing well will improve domestic support.....same thing with the Socceroos the boys did well in the world cup but the AL still had 'very' low attendance and viewership
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+x+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate....... Hey, just look at us now, Almost interested in discussing the A-League
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+x+xIt will be interesting if this all translates in greater W League attendances. Considering the bulk of the Matildas Squad doesnt play in the W-League why would it? national team success if good for particpation - as more and more young girls say 'i want to be the next Sam Kerr' I does nessarily mean more girls/boys are watching a completely different league/competition I obviously hope it does result in more people watching and attending games but it is a long 'bow' to draw saying Matildas doing well will improve domestic support.....same thing with the Socceroos the boys did well in the world cup but the AL still had 'very' low attendance and viewership Friends in England are saying the exact opposite... After their Euro triumph, the following season saw a huge increase in spectators for womens football.... Your right about the players though..... would help if the Wleague kept their stars in Australia.... As for the Socceroos, .... the APL killed any chance of anything happening....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate....... Hey, just look at us now, Almost interested in discussing the A-League ALMOST!!!! hahahahahaha Nah just pointing out that, just like in NRL, AFL, NFL, NBA, MLS etc etc etc teams dont give a shit were they finish if they are outside the finals (playoffs) and it doesn't matter either..... in 99.999999 % of every other league if you are 3rd last with 3 rounds to go the players and staff start getting sweaty arse cheeks......
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+x+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate....... Yeah, one of the biggest downsides of the current model is that teams at the bottom basically give up halfway through the season. Sometimes they might have an outside chance of making the top 6, but even then that's pretty meaningless (only once has a team outside the top 3 won the grand final). The threat of relegation would at least give players a reason to play like their lives depended on it and fans a reason to show up. This problem will only get bigger as the A-League expands to 14 and then 16 teams. Look at the AFL and NRL. Even with 8-team finals series, teams at the bottom now strive to finish last so that they get good draft picks for future seasons. It's a perverse incentive system.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate....... Yeah, one of the biggest downsides of the current model is that teams at the bottom basically give up halfway through the season. Sometimes they might have an outside chance of making the top 6, but even then that's pretty meaningless (only once has a team outside the top 3 won the grand final). The threat of relegation would at least give players a reason to play like their lives depended on it and fans a reason to show up. This problem will only get bigger as the A-League expands to 14 and then 16 teams. Look at the AFL and NRL. Even with 8-team finals series, teams at the bottom now strive to finish last so that they get good draft picks for future seasons. It's a perverse incentive system. Perverse is the right term for it...... really is bizarre how meaningful it seems to be to closed off leagues that the "myth" of every season anyone can win it is..... For a country like the US, particularly, that prides itself on its staunch support of capitalism, anti-socialism and the "great American dream", they certainly go out of their way to make sure that their sport is like a reality game show..... blechhhhhh....
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+x+xWhat I expect to see coming out of the WWC is a large number of girls and ladies fronting up to clubs next season wanting to get a game and finding that the clubs aren't ready for them. Right across Australia we need clubs and competitions planning now how they will run if suddenly the demand increases by 25-50-100% with the most of the increase driven by people who are new to the game. What will the club with 200 players with 40 or 50 females do when another 20 to 50 want to play? What about the larger clubs in FNSW and Capital Football with 1000+players? Do the State Feds need to be budgeting for seed funding for new grassroots clubs and growing grassroots clubs to cater for the increased demand? I don't expect that there will be much difference at the elite levels of the football ecosystem. New players will move through to that as they develop and are spotted over the next decade but the influx of grassroots players brings with it the potential for new football fans provided they get a good and enjoyable introduction to the beautiful game and provided that the clubs at the various levels of the elite game are active within their local community and their wider community of interest. The thing is this, participation rates have never been a problem in our game. The first problem is we don't have the facilities to accommodate them all,The second problem is we don't have the "destinations" for them. As a former womens coach in capital football, I can attest. It's not even high level stuff we're talking about. We're talking about there being no fucking changerooms and the girls either wait for the men to clear out or they change behind a shed. Sadly, Flytox is right. The immediate change to this situation will be there'll be an extra 100 of them at each club.
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+x+x+xIt will be interesting if this all translates in greater W League attendances. Considering the bulk of the Matildas Squad doesnt play in the W-League why would it? national team success if good for particpation - as more and more young girls say 'i want to be the next Sam Kerr' I does nessarily mean more girls/boys are watching a completely different league/competition I obviously hope it does result in more people watching and attending games but it is a long 'bow' to draw saying Matildas doing well will improve domestic support.....same thing with the Socceroos the boys did well in the world cup but the AL still had 'very' low attendance and viewership Friends in England are saying the exact opposite... After their Euro triumph, the following season saw a huge increase in spectators for womens football.... Your right about the players though..... would help if the Wleague kept their stars in Australia.... As for the Socceroos, .... the APL killed any chance of anything happening.... 95% of Englands Squad plays in the Englands womens Super league which pay 10-20x times what the Womens AL could pay...... You're also forgetting the 'carry on' effect of these women repersenting clubs that have established fans bases from the mens game. The AFLW has done this with established AFL sides 'merging and blurring' the lines for people who are 'already' members for the mens sides. Thus if you're an Arsenal fan in the EPL your probably going to support the Arsenal Womens team you only need to capture a small % of the mens support base to get good numbers to the stadiums base on the sheer number of fans the bigger clubs have..... I honestly hope more people attend and watch the AL womens and mens division but personally i dont think this will have any carry over effect on the top domestic division - but it will boost the clubs at the grass roots which i personally care a lot more about then the AL it is Grass roots that make these stars so for me im happy the clubs that our useless FA have neglected deserve the credit
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The legacy for me is more boys and girls are going to want to play football. With luck that will translate to better facilities and more opportunities for football. More opportunity to lobby the government for a fairer suck of the sav. I doubt more people will go to the A League women's because of the world cup.
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Surely sponsorship will go through the roof now. The girls are so marketable and relatable. Such a fair bunch of hard workers. Online socials are pretty strong for the Matildas. There seems to be a link in the Lionessnes and WPL as Women's football and people go and enjoy it. The ALW really needs to promote that future Matildas play in this league and need all the support.
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+xSurely sponsorship will go through the roof now. The girls are so marketable and relatable. Such a fair bunch of hard workers. Online socials are pretty strong for the Matildas. There seems to be a link in the Lionessnes and WPL as Women's football and people go and enjoy it. The ALW really needs to promote that future Matildas play in this league and need all the support. they are the most watched 'show/team/event in like 2 decades - channel 7 is laughing all the way to the bank they have literally changed AFL fixtures and the news to accommodate for the matildas
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPpl keep bringing this up as some sort of gotcha for why pro/rel can’t work here..but conveniently leave out the fact the NSL had direct pro/rel for only 2-3? seasons of its entire 27yr existence..w/o a national 2nd tier below it. Sure, some sides successfully made the quantum-leap but most were never going to. Ok so you tell me what it is that P and R of the current lower division clubs and relegation of current A-League clubs is going to bring to the table in terms of increased attendances, viewerships, sponsorships and media interest. These are the measurements of "popularity" that matter. Romanticism and nostalgia won't bring in over a billion dollars that the A-league did and you need money for a fully professional code. Why fully pro? Because full professionalism was the key plank that old timer stakeholder in the NSLback in the day identified as being the *number one* priority for football in this country... and some of them actually knew what they were talking about. With P&R you need to not finish in the relegation zone To not finish in the Relegation Zone, you need a team that's stronger than the worst of the rest If you can do that in the top league year in year out, without being professional, good luck, that'll be a fascinating story in itself. No need to put the cart before the horse. P&R will force professionalism naturally P&R will also get rid of the lemons that are giving the 'Pro game' a bad image. (Yes, I'm looking at you Brisbane) If there was promotion and relegation from the ALM to NSD there's no way Melbourne Victory would have finished last in 20/21! Bottom 2 for 3 of the last 4 seasons. They've earnt it They probably would have put a little more effort in if there was a threat of relegation though mate....... Yeah, one of the biggest downsides of the current model is that teams at the bottom basically give up halfway through the season. Sometimes they might have an outside chance of making the top 6, but even then that's pretty meaningless (only once has a team outside the top 3 won the grand final). The threat of relegation would at least give players a reason to play like their lives depended on it and fans a reason to show up. This problem will only get bigger as the A-League expands to 14 and then 16 teams. Look at the AFL and NRL. Even with 8-team finals series, teams at the bottom now strive to finish last so that they get good draft picks for future seasons. It's a perverse incentive system. There is no draft that I know of to date for the NRL though it has been discussed due to their lob sided comp, added a new club this season and expecting another I think next but don't know where they are finding quality players to fill more teams for their lower levels you don't even hear about them. The future due to the WWC here and current success will no doubt increase womens football at local Clubs and even boys to a degree. I agree much with Flytox and others, trouble is our local Clubs are struggling not just for what has been mentioned re decent facilities needed for todays expectations unlike what most currently have they we frequent at trainings and weekends and X Clubs able to service growth. The other major stickling point is "grounds" - the influx of womens football last 10/15+yrs being played Sundays has really added to ground availabilty for mens Sunday games (re its growth, O55's started in my comp for eg) AND the ongoing pre and post season fighting with cricket commencement and finish, arranging pre season games is a nightmare. So its not just Clubs being able to cater for "growth" its grounds full stop as well. Just going to some larger Clubs I know in my Association training nights are a melting pot, some grounds have 4 teams sharing a pitch and more. At times its like your watching from above a mosh pit. How do you train corners, shooting, have a half game match when your a squad of 27/30. Sure small sided games are a go to but know what I mean. $$$$'s need to go to grass roots, I don't know how much support comes from the FA/Feds to Association football but I'm sure its not adequate enough - one local strong PL1 Club I've known all my life has only now finally got the approval to have their ground synthetic for next season for its always a slush pit for one and not fit to play on due to the amount of traffic on it. Its taken 10yrs and more of lobbying (evirnomentalists yaddayadda) and stumping up funds. The ground is so woeful their PL1 team have to play home games elsewhere to date for years. How many other Clubs are in the same scenario around the country. NSW Gov agreed to contribute 500K - last I knew was a 1.4M upgrade but that quote mentioned was some 4yrs ago ! Here's a small snippet that I'm sure is similar everywhere : “With our player numbers expected to grow to 20,000 by the year 2026, this upgrade is essential to allow our community the opportunity to continue playing their chosen sport.” XXXXX FC are equally excited by the prospect of XXXXX Oval redevelopment as their female participation numbers soar, reaching 35% of total club numbers in 2022. The Club’s new strategic plan puts into focus their community, football development and providing all players access to football year-round. XXXX have been active in their support of the local referees association by hosting their pre-season courses.
As a Club, XXXX FC will be contributing over $850,000 to the project through member funds and grants as part of the Asian Cup Legacy fund, alongside NSFA’s $125,000 contribution. This investment from the Club and Association demonstrates the commitment football is willing to make towards Council grounds to create better community facilities and assets for the future."
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+xSurely sponsorship will go through the roof now. The girls are so marketable and relatable. Such a fair bunch of hard workers. Online socials are pretty strong for the Matildas. There seems to be a link in the Lionessnes and WPL as Women's football and people go and enjoy it. The ALW really needs to promote that future Matildas play in this league and need all the support. Good article here with some stuff in there about that. https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/sweaty-unaffected-joy-matildas-are-bigger-than-sport-and-a-reminder-of-what-sport-is-about-20230814-p5dw7b.html
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Mary Fowler is on track to be on every billboard in Aus/
Score and we win Wednesday - sky is the limit.
This whole team is already hugely marketable. Nearly everyone in Aus can name a footballer player now.
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A question we could maybe ask is
"HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?"
Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this
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+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this Certainly looks likely to be a way of getting some money into the game from the Federal Government, hopefully in the grass roots for all the manna be Matildas.
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+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this Fozzies got the right idea. Calling on all kiddies to get down to their local club and start kicking the ball around :) https://streamin.me/v/3079f8da/o
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+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making.
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+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in.
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Release the fixtures for A-league men and A-league womens upcoming seasons and provide free entry to one game for everyone who has purchased a ticket to the WWC.
Just release the fixtures as a starting point
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+x+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in. very true...... I know some will get shitty at this observation, but it reminds me of when the Aleague first started and we qualified for Germany 06....... Im having the same conversations with very enthusiastic people who all of a sudden want to talk about inverted wing-backs and "who is starting at the #6 role do you reckon?" If the Tillies win, the snowball will grow, lose (badly) and it will all be forgotten... I hope the ones on the hook can find an attachment to a local club to keep the ball rolling. :)
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+x+x+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in. very true...... I know some will get shitty at this observation, but it reminds me of when the Aleague first started and we qualified for Germany 06....... Im having the same conversations with very enthusiastic people who all of a sudden want to talk about inverted wing-backs and "who is starting at the #6 role do you reckon?" If the Tillies win, the snowball will grow, lose (badly) and it will all be forgotten... I hope the ones on the hook can find an attachment to a local club to keep the ball rolling. :) Don't know why anyone would be shitty at that observation, it seems pretty spot on. People should remember the difference between the early 2000s and 2006 in the local game. In 2002-03 we had failed to qualify for the WC yet again (and not even with the epic drama of the Iran loss), and the NSL was visibly dying. The only broadcaster interested in funding the league was doing so to bury it in order to please the AFL. Meanwhile the administrators were mostly interested in corrupt shenanigans rather than actually developing the sport - remember this was when Tony Labozetta was federation chair and taking his Oceania counterparts to brothels. The turnaround by 2006 was phenomenal: not just qualifying for the WC, but the euphoria of the tournament itself. Socceroos all over the media, advertising, etc. And the early seasons of the A-League to take advantage of it. The sky really was the limit. Hopefully the WWC is the impetus for a similar turnaround after the doldrums and infighting of the last few years. Although obviously it will be different, driven by the women's side of the game.
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+x+x+x+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in. very true...... I know some will get shitty at this observation, but it reminds me of when the Aleague first started and we qualified for Germany 06....... Im having the same conversations with very enthusiastic people who all of a sudden want to talk about inverted wing-backs and "who is starting at the #6 role do you reckon?" If the Tillies win, the snowball will grow, lose (badly) and it will all be forgotten... I hope the ones on the hook can find an attachment to a local club to keep the ball rolling. :) Don't know why anyone would be shitty at that observation, it seems pretty spot on. People should remember the difference between the early 2000s and 2006 in the local game. In 2002-03 we had failed to qualify for the WC yet again (and not even with the epic drama of the Iran loss), and the NSL was visibly dying. The only broadcaster interested in funding the league was doing so to bury it in order to please the AFL. Meanwhile the administrators were mostly interested in corrupt shenanigans rather than actually developing the sport - remember this was when Tony Labozetta was federation chair and taking his Oceania counterparts to brothels. The turnaround by 2006 was phenomenal: not just qualifying for the WC, but the euphoria of the tournament itself. Socceroos all over the media, advertising, etc. And the early seasons of the A-League to take advantage of it. The sky really was the limit. Hopefully the WWC is the impetus for a similar turnaround after the doldrums and infighting of the last few years. Although obviously it will be different, driven by the women's side of the game. The thing that this WC, in combination with the mens world cup performance just prior, 2006..... the kids. Compare this to kids born in the 50s. 80s. They grew up on an anti wog diet their whole lives and the closest you could ever get to recovering them is to not be openly hostile to us. These new kids have had that defining happy experience in their childhoods. They will grow in the majority immune to the anti sockah bs. They may not all become fans or players. They won't merely "tolerate" us. There will be a space for the sport in their minds that just stays there. When I was a kid, I had a 45 minute half replay of NSL on a Sunday night. I had no chance in hell of watching premier league on TV and waited for that 3 minute story in the FTA nightly news bulletin where they would show Harry scoring for Leeds. Our kids have been utterly saturated with the sport and positive energy. If sockah was a sleeping giant when we were growing up, fuck me dead at what happens next!
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According to an article I read this morning Sydney FC have already sold more memberships 2 months out from the season start than they did last year. Not sure if that was men's or women's but still there's an effect happening.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in. very true...... I know some will get shitty at this observation, but it reminds me of when the Aleague first started and we qualified for Germany 06....... Im having the same conversations with very enthusiastic people who all of a sudden want to talk about inverted wing-backs and "who is starting at the #6 role do you reckon?" If the Tillies win, the snowball will grow, lose (badly) and it will all be forgotten... I hope the ones on the hook can find an attachment to a local club to keep the ball rolling. :) Don't know why anyone would be shitty at that observation, it seems pretty spot on. People should remember the difference between the early 2000s and 2006 in the local game. In 2002-03 we had failed to qualify for the WC yet again (and not even with the epic drama of the Iran loss), and the NSL was visibly dying. The only broadcaster interested in funding the league was doing so to bury it in order to please the AFL. Meanwhile the administrators were mostly interested in corrupt shenanigans rather than actually developing the sport - remember this was when Tony Labozetta was federation chair and taking his Oceania counterparts to brothels. The turnaround by 2006 was phenomenal: not just qualifying for the WC, but the euphoria of the tournament itself. Socceroos all over the media, advertising, etc. And the early seasons of the A-League to take advantage of it. The sky really was the limit. Hopefully the WWC is the impetus for a similar turnaround after the doldrums and infighting of the last few years. Although obviously it will be different, driven by the women's side of the game. The thing that this WC, in combination with the mens world cup performance just prior, 2006..... the kids. Compare this to kids born in the 50s. 80s. They grew up on an anti wog diet their whole lives and the closest you could ever get to recovering them is to not be openly hostile to us. These new kids have had that defining happy experience in their childhoods. They will grow in the majority immune to the anti sockah bs. They may not all become fans or players. They won't merely "tolerate" us. There will be a space for the sport in their minds that just stays there. When I was a kid, I had a 45 minute half replay of NSL on a Sunday night. I had no chance in hell of watching premier league on TV and waited for that 3 minute story in the FTA nightly news bulletin where they would show Harry scoring for Leeds. Our kids have been utterly saturated with the sport and positive energy. If sockah was a sleeping giant when we were growing up, fuck me dead at what happens next! How awesome 'could' things be eh?
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+x+x+x+x+xA question we could maybe ask is "HAVE WE ALL BEEN WRONG ABOUT HOW TO FIX FOOTBALL?" Over the years of discussions on how to improve the game, get funding, and get coverage - not many throughout the matildas as the pathway to increased visibility for the game. Not saying our ills have been cured in the slightest, but we can build massively off this I see your point but I reckon could have been the same if it was a home men's WC and the Socceroos were in the same position..... Australians love an underdog story, especially one of our own making. Oh yeah for sure, but this is an entirely different demographic of people that are into it - I am not sure they'd all be there for our men's team. Sure it can be a sugar hit, but I reckon a fair few are on the hook - and the politicians will have to act and tip money in. very true...... I know some will get shitty at this observation, but it reminds me of when the Aleague first started and we qualified for Germany 06....... Im having the same conversations with very enthusiastic people who all of a sudden want to talk about inverted wing-backs and "who is starting at the #6 role do you reckon?" If the Tillies win, the snowball will grow, lose (badly) and it will all be forgotten... I hope the ones on the hook can find an attachment to a local club to keep the ball rolling. :) Don't know why anyone would be shitty at that observation, it seems pretty spot on. People should remember the difference between the early 2000s and 2006 in the local game. In 2002-03 we had failed to qualify for the WC yet again (and not even with the epic drama of the Iran loss), and the NSL was visibly dying. The only broadcaster interested in funding the league was doing so to bury it in order to please the AFL. Meanwhile the administrators were mostly interested in corrupt shenanigans rather than actually developing the sport - remember this was when Tony Labozetta was federation chair and taking his Oceania counterparts to brothels. The turnaround by 2006 was phenomenal: not just qualifying for the WC, but the euphoria of the tournament itself. Socceroos all over the media, advertising, etc. And the early seasons of the A-League to take advantage of it. The sky really was the limit. Hopefully the WWC is the impetus for a similar turnaround after the doldrums and infighting of the last few years. Although obviously it will be different, driven by the women's side of the game. Fair enough and all valid points... In the early 2000s the so called "new dawn" popped out of nowhere as a die hard football fanatic group of supporters who didnt previously have an Australian club to follow for "effnik" reasons... the sky really was the limit......... but .......... two decades later there are really no excuses, no more Labozettas, no more 2am broadcasts, no more effniks, no more Oceania 55-0 drubbings.... I hope the APL is able to capitalise..... Meanwhile the remaining 99.99% of football in Australia quietly plods along with scraps from the big table.
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