Thats the 64 billion dollar question.

A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments..

AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ...

What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have.

IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples...

IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February  to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made...

was ajf from anarchy? Thought he was for some reason

YEP that he was - worse it saddens me seeing some great posters of the past agreeing with it might I add not around here anymore.
Wish AJF was though.

yep and as MSC mentions What Do We SEE As Success ????

We are FOOTBALL no ?.
About time and long overdue we show and do what/who our CODE really is ?!
NOT AFL/NRL/Franchise's - its JJ's time to set the path what FOOTBALL IS in Australia, FA your the Governance, stop playing politics and treading lightly to cover your backs and the threats from the resisters.
Set the directive for the game below APL, they run their own course the rest of the eco system needs to finally get the course and vision of unity as hard as it will be but it needs the start, first big leap forward, the balls of a leader/CEO.
Its gonna hurt and be a rough ride but the game, the countless people involved/Clubs will move with the current I have no doubt about it.

I'm dreaming as always Guus as well :)

Plus, if CL comes to be the con to the founding NST Clubs, say NO.
Forget it, wait another bloody decade :(

What a friggen fraud!!! What the hell was he thinking? And working for Preston at the time. Talk about Mensa stuff.

Guus,

this thread is even better, it has the original article too.. Enjoy mate.... 

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970062/Axe-8216terrible8217-ALeague-2nd-division-plans-says-former-NSL-star-turned-economist-Comments

You are mate, but is a good dream :)

If the NST league gets the green light, I wouldn't be surprised if we still see a CL but for the 3rd tier (what would be 8/9 NPL feds). Whether it's one or two teams from each, or maybe a number of slots via ranking/coefficients in groups, the idea would be for the best NPL clubs to connect and improve standards to get closer and ready for NST entry. Could even be used for promotion to NST when that becomes available. The group format would be shorter and cheaper and can run during their season.

And what I'd like to see for NST and A-League is a league cup, groups then knockout format. Having 16 teams from each league would be perfect, ends up 8 groups of 4.

I'm dreaming again, aren't I?

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332

What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓

No idea what observer status is 

Takes minimum 4 years to get to Voting status

Perth will be back at the start of the Queue this Novembers AGM.  Not sure about Newcastle

100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too,

"WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?"

EXACTLY.. SMFC would be the ONLY NST foundation club that would play in it this year :P

No different than many others in the media.... any media really... He writes what his handlers tell him too and what his audience wants to read... 

He will be the first to wear an Marconi or APIA jersey in the launch party photo of the NST ..... and not see the irony in it either..... 

Not to my knowledge.
If it's just a cup comp with the foundation members, then that's kinda dumb and doesn't make much sense.
If it's a cup comp with the top level NPL winners, then if it was to run this year then Preston Lions would miss out as they are not a top level NPL team.
If it's the latter, then does all the work/money the foundation clubs have put in just get binned?

Yeah, i was thinking the same, banging the club yet grabs an opportunity to cash in from one of its most famous.... Puzzling... 

Love this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph...

Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch.

My understanding is only full members have voting privileges. 
Not sure how it works with the new members. I'm guessing they would need to expand the voting pool.

Have they ever stated WTF a CL model is? I mean if its juts a re-hash of the old NPL Australian finals series then no need for financial guarantees, club licensing agreements and the like, its first past the post gets to compete in an end of season comp.... 

Even as observer is a positive for our game.
This transparency can hold people accountable even without voting shenanigans.

He's too busy trying to flog his Ange Postecoglou book, while spending the better part of the last 5-6 years slagging off the club he is writing about... (I assume he makes some mention of the first 30 odd years of Anges life in a biography?  I would never buy anything produced by that fraud).

In a way I dont blame him selling out, the APl gives him access to the message they want to push ut out so he can't be seen to bite the hand that feeds him ... We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah 

Thanks jc, yeah I believe AAFC has been granted observer status now, not sure if they have a legitimate vote yet.

yes agree we need more football media out there but he's only looking out for one league and debunks what could or more so should happen for the game.
Journo's and the few lacking regards to our code should at least be more open and show support for anything to advance our game/systems.

I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately

Okay thanks, I did read that article but I thought that the one you mentioned was something I had missed.

Got his name wrong

https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/40593508/tensions-rise-second-division-potential-champions-league-switch

And Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says.

Where do I find Joe Lewis’s article?

we also don't know what is happening in the board room. Joe Lewis' article cited apl needing cash as an issue and the CL model was floated after APIA had wobbles and the APL distribution was cut. Diplomatic advocacy, apathy, soft sabotage are all equally likely in my eyes with our lack of info

Yep, this is better than what we expected. Nick has publicly stated the Championship model is not what the 8 clubs signed up for. There seems to be an alignment on the direction (hopefully h&a) just need to do more work to get the $$$ to stack up… easy for us to take pot shots from afar without knowing the details however my reading of the play is that everyone is invested to make it nst h&a work, just need corporate backing or more teams….