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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Didnt realize a league clubs had leagues clubs with pokies? Thought none even had a leagues club?
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Monoethnic Social Club
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law? Eh ok, sorry I don't read the society pages :P hahahahahahahah
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Didnt realize a league clubs had leagues clubs with pokies? Thought none even had a leagues club? no ..... wasnt implying anything of the kind... just that if you find the morality and ethics of a club receiving funds through pokies a bit sketchy your gonna LOVE where some of the franchises get their cheques printed :P
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Didnt realize a league clubs had leagues clubs with pokies? Thought none even had a leagues club? no ..... wasnt implying anything of the kind... just that if you find the morality and ethics of a club receiving funds through pokies a bit sketchy your gonna LOVE where some of the franchises get their cheques printed :P Cfg and bakries? Werent the bakries the villians on the castle?
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It’s looking like FA are prioritising saving the A leagues over establishing the NST.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law? Eh ok, sorry I don't read the society pages :P hahahahahahahah That story is too good for the social pages. 🫣
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A league reddit has a couple of threads that have become anti nsl fests
One day all this nonsense will be used constructively by active supporters of each club chanting at each other rather than stopping clubs from playing
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+xA league reddit has a couple of threads that have become anti nsl fests One day all this nonsense will be used constructively by active supporters of each club chanting at each other rather than stopping clubs from playing There are one or two twits there but there's a lot of healthy discussion going both ways. Some really good educational posts on there from those who experienced the NSL from different points. There's never one answer or description of NSL. The highs were good and the lows were bad, so there are all kinds of views. It could be endearing, it could be embarrassing. You could say similar things about many leagues around the world, even here still. People who say it was just one thing are close-minded fools. People who shit on NSL never saw the good, and people who laud NSL never saw the bad and shit on A-League today. There are wonderful people involved with both, and there are absolute flogs involved in both. I'm certainly not coming here to whine every time I see the "death to A-League" posts on X or Facebook etc... I did once and got it out my system haha!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law? Eh ok, sorry I don't read the society pages :P hahahahahahahah Nope, still together. In fairness, at least both Alina and her husband Scott both do a lot of wonderful things for Russian-Ukrainian community in Sydney. Also met David, a handful of times. A real football guy, look at how he made Zenit into a superhouse in Russia. Football wasn't even ever that heavily invested by private companies until he got the Peter boys (Gazprom) beliving in football's potential. If only the game had adminstrators like him.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law? Eh ok, sorry I don't read the society pages :P hahahahahahahah Nope, still together. In fairness, at least both Alina and her husband Scott both do a lot of wonderful things for Russian-Ukrainian community in Sydney. Also met David, a handful of times. A real football guy, look at how he made Zenit into a superhouse in Russia. Football wasn't even ever that heavily invested by private companies until he got the Peter boys (Gazprom) beliving in football's potential. If only the game had adminstrators like him.
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https://x.com/smfcmike/status/1825141697317355590?s=46Interesting listen to SMFC president, flying up to FA HQ tmr…
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Yeah, another "meeting" today up in Sydney...... .... lets just see.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHaving a back and forth on reddit asking what would be wrong with npl on planes Amazingly, one reason given is because the 8 clubs in the nst are producing a large percentage of our youth and if they go bust youth development would fall apart They are quite atagonistic, and im doing all the work providing evidence for my views so probably want to jump out of the convo. But can anyone steel man this point? Why would it be less risky to have a systrm where the best teams for youth development are not allowed above state level? And why would npl on planes be more risky for clubs going broke than a full time nst? Yeah gotta say some on there are quite stubborn in their views. Some are completely shut-off to the idea of an NST when it's something that's absolutely possible, even though there's a bunch of hiccups. I don't get the dismissal of "NPL on planes", what the hell is wrong with that? If anything, that's probably how we could've started the NST instead, as Semi-Pro. Don't have to worry about clubs going broke and players keep their day jobs. Now it seems like NST clubs might take on even more youth (on min. wage) to cut costs. How is that bad for our youth development? Don't worry about the antogonistic people, you just can't chat thoughtfully with those types. Whilst they can make some decent points worth considering, they couldn't care to consider anyone else's points. I've looked into pyramids and general travel expenses and really don't understand how this can't get up financially. It can be run off the smell of an oily rag (as long as Perth are excluded, sorry guys) and maybe why we don't want to get the PFA involved to introduce and inflate more costs. Maybe I'll share my own thoughts on the pyramid at some point. I agree - npl on planes is intended and taken as a slur but every time I hear it I'm like "yeah? That's what we want isn't it?" I mean if we can get something better maybe its worth a try, but start where you are at and build would be very interested in your pyramid thoughts. The thread on reddit suggested someones own pyramid. My idea for a pyramid after looking at the economics of p&r would be to have 1 of the promotion spots each year reserved for the best relegated team for the previous season (so if a vic team gets relegated in 2025 and gets 30 points in the npl in 2026 and a nsw team relegated in 2025 and gets 32 points in 2026 then the nsw team gets promoted). The reasons for this are because teams that got promoted gained more in fans than they lost when relegated, this is true even in the nsl era, so yoyo clubs grow. Making sure there is at least one yoyo per team could speed up growth Just needs a caveat. If South Melbourne end up with wooden spoon then they don't get relegated. Just like 1979. 😁 Lets NOT forget 1980 and 1981 for West Adelaide.... or the two conference league shennanigans... Bloody hell mate, it was a part time league made up of volunteer clubs who were making the rules up as they went along.... Jesus Christ, 45 years ago the then brains of football decided to relegate the lowest NSW team (even then the whole bullshit geographic spread fish where the fish are idiocy was being mentioned) instead of the bottom team on the table and it is STILL being brought up as a reason not to have a full league system here.... Who hurt you guys? having some clubs protected from relegation to the npl would actually be a good thing for the first few decades of p&r. The data says we actually got the benefits of P&R during the nsl era, it just wasn't a smart enough system to minimize the risks given australia has 9 leagues trying to get promoted into 1 Protection from relegation should probably be based on clubs who are willing to make long term investments - academies or stadiums So you would get out the blowtorch on the franchises in the Aleague then? Having ANY clubs protected from relegation is a bullshit idea, sorry grazor, that sort of thinking has to stop if we are tog et anywhere at club level... what next awarding draft picks to the clubs that finish bottom of the table? It would be inevitable with licenses that a league clubs wont be relegated below the nst in an optimistic scenario. Moreover, even without licenses i would want no club with a academy that meets certain criteria to be relegated below nst until we have enough academies up to standard What about aleague franchises that don't currently have academies? Are they exempt? https://brisbaneroar.com.au/news/brisbane-roar-fc-statement-on-academy/ fa have introduced an academy rating. Indeed if a club doesnt have an academy up to those standards then there is no loss if that team gets relegated down to npl. Having said that there is the issue of licenses What issue with licenses? Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/37622518/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-roadmap-promotion-relegation-australia if a licensed club got relegated to nst that's one thing I'd be amazed if a licensed club got relegated to the npl could happen but I guess a lot of steps have to come frist before thats a chance of happening start with the fa saying something (anything) are other clubs putting pressure on the fa. Spewing that Queensland lions didn't submit a bid. Could run the whole league with the money they grab from grannies.....not very ethical mind you ..... Um not that I like pokies in any way shape or form but you DO know where Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar get their funds from yeah? Not to mention Sydney FC and the Oligarch's son in law? Ex son in law? Eh ok, sorry I don't read the society pages :P hahahahahahahah Nope, still together. In fairness, at least both Alina and her husband Scott both do a lot of wonderful things for Russian-Ukrainian community in Sydney. Also met David, a handful of times. A real football guy, look at how he made Zenit into a superhouse in Russia. Football wasn't even ever that heavily invested by private companies until he got the Peter boys (Gazprom) beliving in football's potential. If only the game had adminstrators like him. I suppose thats the Lowy acceptable side of "Effnik clubs"
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“Can you imagine a governing body that potentially will ignore the will of most of its clubs around right across Australia,
to what, either protect the member feds or protect A-League franchises?
And that’s what we’re talking about here.” https://roundballaustralia.com.au/south-melbourne-president-doubles-down-on-fa-criticism-as-crucial-nst-meeting-set-to-be-held-in-sydney/
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+xIt’s looking like FA are prioritising saving the A leagues over establishing the NST. 24.5 votes for APL clubs, 9 votes for "Womens football" and 42.7 votes for state federations that are actively AGAINST any form of second division.... its a miracle this thing was even considered, albeit briefly .... Football Australia CongressAs of 23 November 2021, the congress of Football Australia consists of 100 votes exercised by the following 28 members in general meeting: | | State Body Members | Votes |
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| 1 | Football Queensland Ltd | 6.1 | | 2 | Northern NSW Football Limited | 6.1 | | 3 | A.C.T. Football Federation Ltd | 6.1 | | 4 | Football NSW Limited | 6.1 | | 5 | Football Federation Northern Territory Incorporated | 6.1 | | 6 | Football Federation Victoria (FFV) Inc. | 6.1 | | 7 | Football Federation Tasmania Ltd | 6.1 | | 8 | Football Federation SA Incorporated | 6.1 | | 9 | Football West Limited | 6.1 | | | A-League Club Members | | | 1 | Adelaide United Football Club Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 2 | Brisbane Roar Football Club Pty Limited | 3.5 | | 3 | Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 4 | Melbourne City FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 5 | Melbourne Victory Ltd | 3.5 | | 6 | Okewood Pty Ltd t/a Perth Glory | 3.5 | | 7 | Sydney Football Club Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 8 | Western Sydney Wanderers FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | | Players’ Member | | | 1 | Beau Busch and Kathryn Gill | 7 | | | Women’s Football Council Members | | | 1 | Dr. Deidre Anderson (Chair) | 1 | | 2 | Alyssar Narey | 1 | | 3 | Erin Clout | 1 | | 4 | Fran Sankey | 1 | | 5 | Gabriela Garton | 1 | | 6 | Jada Whyman | 1 | | 7 | John Sugunananthan | 1 | | 8 | Nikki Drost | 1 | | 9 | Selina Holtze | 1 | | 10 | To be confirmed | 1 |
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+x+xIt’s looking like FA are prioritising saving the A leagues over establishing the NST. 24.5 votes for APL clubs, 9 votes for "Womens football" and 42.7 votes for state federations that are actively AGAINST any form of second division.... its a miracle this thing was even considered, albeit briefly .... Football Australia CongressAs of 23 November 2021, the congress of Football Australia consists of 100 votes exercised by the following 28 members in general meeting: | | State Body Members | Votes |
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Overkill. That list is what holds football back in this country.
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I think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around.
The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’.
I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward.
I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from.
Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction.
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+x+x+xIt’s looking like FA are prioritising saving the A leagues over establishing the NST. 24.5 votes for APL clubs, 9 votes for "Womens football" and 42.7 votes for state federations that are actively AGAINST any form of second division.... its a miracle this thing was even considered, albeit briefly .... Football Australia CongressAs of 23 November 2021, the congress of Football Australia consists of 100 votes exercised by the following 28 members in general meeting: | | State Body Members | Votes |
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| 1 | Football Queensland Ltd | 6.1 | | 2 | Northern NSW Football Limited | 6.1 | | 3 | A.C.T. Football Federation Ltd | 6.1 | | 4 | Football NSW Limited | 6.1 | | 5 | Football Federation Northern Territory Incorporated | 6.1 | | 6 | Football Federation Victoria (FFV) Inc. | 6.1 | | 7 | Football Federation Tasmania Ltd | 6.1 | | 8 | Football Federation SA Incorporated | 6.1 | | 9 | Football West Limited | 6.1 | | | A-League Club Members | | | 1 | Adelaide United Football Club Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 2 | Brisbane Roar Football Club Pty Limited | 3.5 | | 3 | Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 4 | Melbourne City FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 5 | Melbourne Victory Ltd | 3.5 | | 6 | Okewood Pty Ltd t/a Perth Glory | 3.5 | | 7 | Sydney Football Club Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | 8 | Western Sydney Wanderers FC Pty Ltd | 3.5 | | | Players’ Member | | | 1 | Beau Busch and Kathryn Gill | 7 | | | Women’s Football Council Members | | | 1 | Dr. Deidre Anderson (Chair) | 1 | | 2 | Alyssar Narey | 1 | | 3 | Erin Clout | 1 | | 4 | Fran Sankey | 1 | | 5 | Gabriela Garton | 1 | | 6 | Jada Whyman | 1 | | 7 | John Sugunananthan | 1 | | 8 | Nikki Drost | 1 | | 9 | Selina Holtze | 1 | | 10 | To be confirmed | 1 |
Overkill. That list is what holds football back in this country. Im not so much fussed by the number of members in congress more so the weight of balance of votes.... 8 "clubs" hold sway over 1/4 of the boards decisions.....???????
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+xI think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around.
The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’.I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward. I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from. Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction. Yeah, I always thought that the "fight" would be for who gets the "affections" of FA and its seems the APL has been strategic in promising key people in shit federations the right "incentives" to tow the line... looks like franchise football has won the battle, again... oh well back to obscurity for another 4-5 decades.... :(
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+xI think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around. The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’. I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward. I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from. Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction. yep we always thought JJ was in a corner trying to get light at the end of tunnel. Real shame where its leading to by the look of it, nothing seems to change in this back water but the constant barriers keep standing in the way. I couldn't agree entirely Matildas are the main FA dollar earners, sure a damn good one but so is the Roos, Qatar bonus $$ and the recent games at the G keep bringing more $$ to the coffers as well. Its a win win.
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+x+xI think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around. The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’. I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward. I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from. Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction. yep we always thought JJ was in a corner trying to get light at the end of tunnel. Real shame where its leading to by the look of it, nothing seems to change in this back water but the constant barriers keep standing in the way. I couldn't agree entirely Matildas are the main FA dollar earners, sure a damn good one but so is the Roos, Qatar bonus $$ and the recent games at the G keep bringing more $$ to the coffers as well. Its a win win. If JJ does nothing today then fark himtoo mate... 7-8 months agio he was all bluster, this was going to go ahead, "unite the pyramid" this and "aspirational clubs" that..... what a load of bullshit.... This comp could launch tomorrow but he is going to throw another 140 mill away on a plastic garbage dump... ffs.
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+x+x+xI think JJ is caught between a rock and a hard place, trying to spread the dollars around. The APL , through its total incompetence, are now wanting FA to bale them out adding to the ‘voices’ clamouring for ‘this or that’. I have been wanting and hoping for the pyramid to get off the ground and the NST seemed to be the way forward. I don’t think the comment from @smfcmike is fair, FA’s promotion of the Matildas is reasonable and that is where the dollars are coming from. Let’s hope that something can be sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction. yep we always thought JJ was in a corner trying to get light at the end of tunnel. Real shame where its leading to by the look of it, nothing seems to change in this back water but the constant barriers keep standing in the way. I couldn't agree entirely Matildas are the main FA dollar earners, sure a damn good one but so is the Roos, Qatar bonus $$ and the recent games at the G keep bringing more $$ to the coffers as well. Its a win win. If JJ does nothing today then fark himtoo mate... 7-8 months agio he was all bluster, this was going to go ahead, "unite the pyramid" this and "aspirational clubs" that..... what a load of bullshit.... This comp could launch tomorrow but he is going to throw another 140 mill away on a plastic garbage dump... ffs. At the end of the day, JJ is kinda powerless. If the board doesn't want something to happen then JJ has to follow that direction. My guess is that the NST has gathered way more steam than the board had ever expected. I reckon they hoped it would fizzle out with all the speed humps they put in the way. Then when the reality hit and this thing was actually looking likely to happen, that's when all the backroom shenanigans begin happening.
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Let’s see what happens after today’s meeting before we get too carried away. I think one of the things that the APL will be looking for from FA is to offload the ALW so for that reason JJ will have to look closely at it. With the Matildas needing generational change the A League Women and NPLWs will be the providers.
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Would love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens?
You need a minimum of 8 clubs willing to put themselves out there as directly affronting the fa and giving up on any diplomatic solution. Are the 8 ceos in that basket? Then for p and r to happen you need some state feds on board. 2 is enough to start. But that means you need 10 people to make it work in some form
I hope souths have legal and political recourse, because if not that is a bridge burning interview. Does anyone know if they do?
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+xWould love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens? You need a minimum of 8 clubs willing to put themselves out there as directly affronting the fa and giving up on any diplomatic solution. Are the 8 ceos in that basket? Then for p and r to happen you need some state feds on board. 2 is enough to start. But that means you need 10 people to make it work in some form I hope souths have legal and political recourse, because if not that is a bridge burning interview. Does anyone know if they do? I don’t think we need another breakaway league, look at what’s happening to the one we’ve got.
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+xWould love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens? You need a minimum of 8 clubs willing to put themselves out there as directly affronting the fa and giving up on any diplomatic solution. Are the 8 ceos in that basket? Then for p and r to happen you need some state feds on board. 2 is enough to start. But that means you need 10 people to make it work in some form I hope souths have legal and political recourse, because if not that is a bridge burning interview. Does anyone know if they do? Bill Papastergiadis – Chairman of SMFC is a lawyer. Nick Galatas - Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) Chairman is also lawyer.
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+xWould love a breakaway league as a backup plan, but what are the odds that actually happens?
Absolutely zero. It was 7 years ago when the AAFC said the "second division would happen with or without the FFA". That's how long ago it was, the FA was still the FFA. Nobody wants to take on the operating of the NST except the FA. It could be done, but it would only be worth doing if the league was recognised by FIFA. The FA would not have to be involved in the operations but they would have to approve the league for that to happen. It would effectively be like the APL is now. A private entity that pays some form of license fees to the FA to operate the league. Then the AAFC would run into the same issues as the APL are now. It would be a business, so it would need seed money and the it would need to make money to stay afloat. Whereas the FA is not-for-profit so if they are running things it doesn't need to make money and doesn't have the same pressures. The reality (right now) is the NST needs to be operated by the FA for it to happen.
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