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+x+x+x+xJust another single opinion thrown into the NSD black hole. Not just any opinion Qld Coach of the Year for a club that's won the NPLQ 2 years running, but for some reason didn't apply for NST Didnt get coach of the year finishing 7th with -4GD this year surely? ????? Knights not United https://x.com/FootballQLD/status/1822228929723150603 Yeah I realised after,... sorry had a long lunch. with a client... shouldnt drink and type ....
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+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable?
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+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? Second Divison isnt being run by the APL, infact they have NOTHING whatsoever to do with it ... apart from do their best to make sure it never happens.
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+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction.
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+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction. Exactly this... And if anything, being forced, through State feds, to take on increasingly exorbitant costs to comply with the "Clogball Curriculum".
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+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction. Thankyou - I'm start losing it when I keep seeing those kind of quotes.
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+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? It may not be, we'll have to wait and see. However the bar is way lower than the A-League so they don't have the same challenges. Smaller venues, mean they don't need to get too many through the gates to cover the venue costs. Already established fan bases to grow from. Lower price point for fans. Membership and ticket prices being lower could attract new fans easier as the buy-in is less than the A-League. Seeing as they all own their IP, FA won't be able to take the bulk share of merch sales. (From memory A-League clubs only took $10-12 from every shirt sale, the rest went to FFA).Many NST clubs have alternative revenue streams (ie social clubs) which are already established and will get boosted by the interest generated from the NST. I'm sure there are many more factors, but this was just some of my initial thoughts.
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+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? It may not be, we'll have to wait and see. However the bar is way lower than the A-League so they don't have the same challenges. Smaller venues, mean they don't need to get too many through the gates to cover the venue costs. Already established fan bases to grow from. Lower price point for fans. Membership and ticket prices being lower could attract new fans easier as the buy-in is less than the A-League. Seeing as they all own their IP, FA won't be able to take the bulk share of merch sales. (From memory A-League clubs only took $10-12 from every shirt sale, the rest went to FFA).Many NST clubs have alternative revenue streams (ie social clubs) which are already established and will get boosted by the interest generated from the NST. I'm sure there are many more factors, but this was just some of my initial thoughts. ... and yet, the conversation ALWAYS comes around to ... We cant have NST until the Aleague recovers from blowing 140 million dollars on????? what was it again a song and a website or something?
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+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? Probably by not shooting off every toe in its feet year in year out. AL can FOAD
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+x+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? It may not be, we'll have to wait and see. However the bar is way lower than the A-League so they don't have the same challenges. Smaller venues, mean they don't need to get too many through the gates to cover the venue costs. Already established fan bases to grow from. Lower price point for fans. Membership and ticket prices being lower could attract new fans easier as the buy-in is less than the A-League. Seeing as they all own their IP, FA won't be able to take the bulk share of merch sales. (From memory A-League clubs only took $10-12 from every shirt sale, the rest went to FFA).Many NST clubs have alternative revenue streams (ie social clubs) which are already established and will get boosted by the interest generated from the NST. I'm sure there are many more factors, but this was just some of my initial thoughts. ... and yet, the conversation ALWAYS comes around to ... We cant have NST until the Aleague recovers from blowing 140 million dollars on????? what was it again a song and a website or something? Think also the paid junket to Qatar world cup for everyone and their dog ran into the millions
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+x+x+xheard from a very reliable source today the NSD will not be happening next year, nor ever. Just not enough money in the game. every rumour of that sort I've heard has been someone well connected with an a league club or the apl. Curious if this is similar my connection is one of who is on the board of a particular AL club To be fair the confidence could be justified given how many votes apl members have on the fa board directly or indirectly. Vote down every option as 'unviable' then claim u have no blame
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+x+x+x+xheard from a very reliable source today the NSD will not be happening next year, nor ever. Just not enough money in the game. every rumour of that sort I've heard has been someone well connected with an a league club or the apl. Curious if this is similar my connection is one of who is on the board of a particular AL club To be fair the confidence could be justified given how many votes apl members have on the fa board directly or indirectly. Vote down every option as 'unviable' then claim u have no blame And the City Football Group sit in their dark tower and giggle ... Ah the "good of the game ... these poor Aussies are so gullible" ...
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+x+x+x+x+xheard from a very reliable source today the NSD will not be happening next year, nor ever. Just not enough money in the game. every rumour of that sort I've heard has been someone well connected with an a league club or the apl. Curious if this is similar my connection is one of who is on the board of a particular AL club To be fair the confidence could be justified given how many votes apl members have on the fa board directly or indirectly. Vote down every option as 'unviable' then claim u have no blame And the City Football Group sit in their dark tower and giggle ... Ah the "good of the game ... these poor Aussies are so gullible" ... Interestingly city are one of the only clubs whose ceos havent said anything negative about the nst Their business model is to buy and sell players from zillions of clubs and all their other clubs play in connected pyramids so i doubt they would care of city end up in a pyramid. They might be one of the only clubs not hostile to an nst
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+x+x+x+x+x+xheard from a very reliable source today the NSD will not be happening next year, nor ever. Just not enough money in the game. every rumour of that sort I've heard has been someone well connected with an a league club or the apl. Curious if this is similar my connection is one of who is on the board of a particular AL club To be fair the confidence could be justified given how many votes apl members have on the fa board directly or indirectly. Vote down every option as 'unviable' then claim u have no blame And the City Football Group sit in their dark tower and giggle ... Ah the "good of the game ... these poor Aussies are so gullible" ... Interestingly city are one of the only clubs whose ceos havent said anything negative about the nst Their business model is to buy and sell players from zillions of clubs and all their other clubs play in connected pyramids so i doubt they would care of city end up in a pyramid. They might be one of the only clubs not hostile to an nst  https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EPL/The-smoking-gun-emails-that-could-prove-Manchester-City-did-cheat-Premier-League-FFP-rules/2652344
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+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction. 70% of these clubs have been on there knees for years. Is using Junior Fees a viable solution to paying player wages, i don't think so.
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+x+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction. 70% of these clubs have been on there knees for years. Is using Junior Fees a viable solution to paying player wages, i don't think so. We dont have evidence junior fees are playing senior player wages. Im trying to track down the budget of npl clubs. A former socceroo claims his npl club makes a loss on youth players due to all the expenses (mandatory minimum number of full time coaches, insurance etc).
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Meeting on today in Sydney... Another blah blah fest or some news?.... we wait and see.
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They should've been having fortnightly meetings from the start. Previously having no contact for months hasn't helped move this along.
Sounds like this meeting might be the final input from FA before a decision is made. It can't possibly drag out much longer. Fingers crossed for a good result.
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+xThey should've been having fortnightly meetings from the start. Previously having no contact for months hasn't helped move this along. Sounds like this meeting might be the final input from FA before a decision is made. It can't possibly drag out much longer. Fingers crossed for a good result. The Melbourne foundation club board members have forked out from their own pocket for a whole seasons worth of NST travel in the past 12 months alone.... If FA is just stringing them (us) along that is just shit. NPL on Planes indeed :)
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+xMeeting on today in Sydney... Another blah blah fest or some news?.... we wait and see. No threats from South Melbourne today ? or have they been put in the naughty corner ? or have they some clever strategy going on here ?
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+x+xMeeting on today in Sydney... Another blah blah fest or some news?.... we wait and see. No threats from South Melbourne today ? or have they been put in the naughty corner ? or have they some clever strategy going on here ? No looks like we are letting all the other foundation clubs actually give a fark for once.....
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+x+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? The NST teams have survived for the last 20 years without any help from A-League. That's the definition of viability If you've been convinced that because the Westfield model has failed, nothing else can survive, then maybe you should rethink your conviction. 70% of these clubs have been on there knees for years. Is using Junior Fees a viable solution to paying player wages, i don't think so. Especially when the petrobenefactor has soooo much money to burn https://melbournecityfc.com.au/football-school/faq/
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+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? It may not be, we'll have to wait and see. However the bar is way lower than the A-League so they don't have the same challenges. Smaller venues, mean they don't need to get too many through the gates to cover the venue costs. Already established fan bases to grow from. Lower price point for fans. Membership and ticket prices being lower could attract new fans easier as the buy-in is less than the A-League. Seeing as they all own their IP, FA won't be able to take the bulk share of merch sales. (From memory A-League clubs only took $10-12 from every shirt sale, the rest went to FFA).Many NST clubs have alternative revenue streams (ie social clubs) which are already established and will get boosted by the interest generated from the NST. I'm sure there are many more factors, but this was just some of my initial thoughts. Can I do two things first acknowledge your points are valid.... BUT so what .... Second its in everybody's interest that Football do well in all areas.... I would yell and scream for joy if teams like South Melbourne increased their crowds, sponsors and got more media.... equally I want the same success for A-League teams to grow and expand.... I am so so so so so so over, the infighting.... and dick measuring ... In an idea world we would have a full FIFA model, alas I can't see that happening in the foreseeable future .... what we can do is unite behind everyone in Football and build up revenue streams enough to support a full FIFA model over time and still have a strong professional league along the journey...
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Any news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road?
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+xAny news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road? Even a mood check would be something Did they feel happy after the meeting? Angry? Sad? Hungry?
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+xAny news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road? kicked it down a long steep hill.
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+x+x+x+xThe FFA (before they split off from Aleague), the PFA and the APL have been fighting against this for 7+ years now...... 7 years!!!!!! They have had 20 years to become "financially viable", 20 years of free reign and access to fans, sponsors, partnerships and funding that has never before been seen in the game and STILL they are fighting to keep the 99% of us out of the sport..... So if they had 20 years to become financially viable with ten teams, and failed, how is a second division supposed to be financially viable? It may not be, we'll have to wait and see. However the bar is way lower than the A-League so they don't have the same challenges. Smaller venues, mean they don't need to get too many through the gates to cover the venue costs. Already established fan bases to grow from. Lower price point for fans. Membership and ticket prices being lower could attract new fans easier as the buy-in is less than the A-League. Seeing as they all own their IP, FA won't be able to take the bulk share of merch sales. (From memory A-League clubs only took $10-12 from every shirt sale, the rest went to FFA).Many NST clubs have alternative revenue streams (ie social clubs) which are already established and will get boosted by the interest generated from the NST. I'm sure there are many more factors, but this was just some of my initial thoughts. Can I do two things first acknowledge your points are valid.... BUT so what .... Second its in everybody's interest that Football do well in all areas.... I would yell and scream for joy if teams like South Melbourne increased their crowds, sponsors and got more media.... equally I want the same success for A-League teams to grow and expand.... I am so so so so so so over, the infighting.... and dick measuring ... In an idea world we would have a full FIFA model, alas I can't see that happening in the foreseeable future .... what we can do is unite behind everyone in Football and build up revenue streams enough to support a full FIFA model over time and still have a strong professional league along the journey... If you are so over the dick measuring mate then why do you still support the ONLY faction in football Australia that is actively working AGAINST any form of unification? A-league clubs can only expand and grow if there is no other alternative for football fans to follow, you cant say you want football to grow AND want the Aleague to prosper, its one or the other, no matter how you slice it and dice it. To use your example, South Melbourne cant increase their crowds , sponsors and media without being able to participate in a national competition .... but if that where to happen the APL couldnt make revenue through selling participation licenses to imaginary geographic areas like "Western" something or other.... You cant see anything happening in the "foreseeable future" (and I agree with you on that for what its worth) because the current so called "professional league" will NOT ALLOW anything to happen in the "foreseeable future" through sheer self preservation... It really IS that black and white Im afraid.
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+xAny news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road? Nothing Ive heard yet..... probably another snooze fest blah blah session.
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+x+xAny news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road? kicked it down a long steep hill. Simon Hill or David Hill?
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+x+xAny news from the meeting in Sydney. Surely they are kicking the can down the road? Even a mood check would be something Did they feel happy after the meeting? Angry? Sad? Hungry? Not even a vague FA statement that makes us to try to solve the Da Vinci Code….
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