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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... Yeah I mentioned that above, the idea is to "level up" clubs, not play a knockout. But if EACH club could play 3-10 extra matches at a better national level for one year, why not? It's better than nothing and better than just NPL. I want a proper league, but if even the clubs can't agree with each other then we're a bit screwed. At least find a middle ground for a season. I'm not surprised they're threatening each other with legal after agreement, but hopefully there's a peaceful outcome instead. Unbelievably frustrating. And reserves/youth teams should not be on planes, absolutely no need. APL should not be looking at that. Hey matey, no the clubs arent threatening each other legally, its the FA they have a beef with... The clubs that are unhappy with the latest CL garbage have spent money and signed contracts based on an agreement and acceptance by the Football Federation of Australia to participate in a national home and away season next year.. IF that does NOT go ahead in some for or another they have the right to recoup some of the monies already spent AND protect themselves from their own independent contracts with sponsors and players.... 3-10 extra matches next year is NOT going to appease a sponsor who has paid money to be "front of shirt" for example with the anticipation of reaching a national audience over a full season... Nor is it going to recover sign on bonuses for new staff and players already signed up that will now be "surplus to requirements" in the same old NPL state league. Ohhhh... I'm sure I read on here that the clubs were going after each other. Never mind then haha. Totally right about recouping losses... unless there was something already in the contract about IF the NST goes ahead? It wouldn't surprise me. Is there anything stopping them from going with an 8 team league just for one season? A-League did it for the first four seasons, it really was a drag in the end. But one year should be ok.
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+x+x+xthe very sad thing is Football in Australia cannot generate enough revenue or support to operate the way many want it to operate. IMO the even sadder thing thing is so many people believe the answer is both simple and easy to do.... there is no simple solution never has been.... the belief that their is this magical solution out there IMO stops other thoughts and ideas. I'd try a simple solution first Full Pyramid Every Decision at Every Club can be then based on a solid Structure where Every Club can find their own level thanks you are obviously right... its so simple... no other issues... nothing else matters ... nothing else will work... again thanks for stating the obvious solution that solves all problems... Mid, it solves the MAIN problem though... The ability/drive of as many clubs as possible to professionalise and therefore increase the amount of professionally trained players for our national teams playing pools.... NOTHING ELSE MATTERS before this. Yes the hurdles are complex, yes there are more than one ways to tackle the problem but dont you agree that the very very very very FIRST step to finding a "solution" is to establish what the outcome every one wants is? There are two possible end games at play here, each with a fairly different need to move forward 1) Football as a "for profit" exercise needs, by its nature, to make money for those willing to invest because if it doesn't quite simply there will be no investors.... (See Basketball in Australia, and AFL and NRL as examples of this, or NFL, MLB, NBA and MLS if your more inclined to the US of A) 2) Football as a pure sport, at ALL levels (even the franchise one we have now) needs CLUBS, CLUBS and more CLUBS.... to develop players and increase popularity so we as a nation can improve our selves in comparison to other nations around the world ... this side of things would almost immediately see a benefit from pro/rel... NOT financial, but in the building towards financial.... (See EVERY single other country on the planet)
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+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... IF this is one of the stumbling blocks that the FA is trying to appease this bloody rotten cancer in our game I hope Lowy having started it and now the APL burn in hell.....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... Yeah I mentioned that above, the idea is to "level up" clubs, not play a knockout. But if EACH club could play 3-10 extra matches at a better national level for one year, why not? It's better than nothing and better than just NPL. I want a proper league, but if even the clubs can't agree with each other then we're a bit screwed. At least find a middle ground for a season. I'm not surprised they're threatening each other with legal after agreement, but hopefully there's a peaceful outcome instead. Unbelievably frustrating. And reserves/youth teams should not be on planes, absolutely no need. APL should not be looking at that. Hey matey, no the clubs arent threatening each other legally, its the FA they have a beef with... The clubs that are unhappy with the latest CL garbage have spent money and signed contracts based on an agreement and acceptance by the Football Federation of Australia to participate in a national home and away season next year.. IF that does NOT go ahead in some for or another they have the right to recoup some of the monies already spent AND protect themselves from their own independent contracts with sponsors and players.... 3-10 extra matches next year is NOT going to appease a sponsor who has paid money to be "front of shirt" for example with the anticipation of reaching a national audience over a full season... Nor is it going to recover sign on bonuses for new staff and players already signed up that will now be "surplus to requirements" in the same old NPL state league. Ohhhh... I'm sure I read on here that the clubs were going after each other. Never mind then haha. Totally right about recouping losses... unless there was something already in the contract about IF the NST goes ahead? It wouldn't surprise me. Is there anything stopping them from going with an 8 team league just for one season? A-League did it for the first four seasons, it really was a drag in the end. But one year should be ok. I honestly dont think so... but like I said its all under a cloak of secrecy at the moment... The clubs will ALWAYS be arguing amongst each other, that what happens in football the world over... I understand it is very much a state v state thing at the moment with some hold outs... but the overriding push from the clubs is tog et something going... its what it looks like that they cant seem to agree with... The ones pushing for a delay seem to have been overly ambitious as to how much of a "war chest" they could put together and want to delay the start to get more time, NOBODY wants a 3 game CL in its place though... at least I dont think so...
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... IF this is one of the stumbling blocks that the FA is trying to appease this bloody rotten cancer in our game I hope Lowy having started it and now the APL burn in hell..... Hahaha its like in a football match mate, the APL are 1-0 down and trying to score in time added on .... :)
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So did u say 3 clubs want a cl model? Thats annoying
Any rumour on whether the fa will be more flexible with entry requirements
Also the rumour on sponsorship, apparently 14mil a year according to smmike and 3xy radio
Some on twitter including death to the nsl claim the sponsor is someone shady and provided a link to some group id never hears of that had allegedlt been involved in football
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... Yeah I mentioned that above, the idea is to "level up" clubs, not play a knockout. But if EACH club could play 3-10 extra matches at a better national level for one year, why not? It's better than nothing and better than just NPL. I want a proper league, but if even the clubs can't agree with each other then we're a bit screwed. At least find a middle ground for a season. I'm not surprised they're threatening each other with legal after agreement, but hopefully there's a peaceful outcome instead. Unbelievably frustrating. And reserves/youth teams should not be on planes, absolutely no need. APL should not be looking at that. Hey matey, no the clubs arent threatening each other legally, its the FA they have a beef with... The clubs that are unhappy with the latest CL garbage have spent money and signed contracts based on an agreement and acceptance by the Football Federation of Australia to participate in a national home and away season next year.. IF that does NOT go ahead in some for or another they have the right to recoup some of the monies already spent AND protect themselves from their own independent contracts with sponsors and players.... 3-10 extra matches next year is NOT going to appease a sponsor who has paid money to be "front of shirt" for example with the anticipation of reaching a national audience over a full season... Nor is it going to recover sign on bonuses for new staff and players already signed up that will now be "surplus to requirements" in the same old NPL state league. Ohhhh... I'm sure I read on here that the clubs were going after each other. Never mind then haha. Totally right about recouping losses... unless there was something already in the contract about IF the NST goes ahead? It wouldn't surprise me. Is there anything stopping them from going with an 8 team league just for one season? A-League did it for the first four seasons, it really was a drag in the end. But one year should be ok. I honestly dont think so... but like I said its all under a cloak of secrecy at the moment... The clubs will ALWAYS be arguing amongst each other, that what happens in football the world over... I understand it is very much a state v state thing at the moment with some hold outs... but the overriding push from the clubs is tog et something going... its what it looks like that they cant seem to agree with... The ones pushing for a delay seem to have been overly ambitious as to how much of a "war chest" they could put together and want to delay the start to get more time, NOBODY wants a 3 game CL in its place though... at least I dont think so... Really appreciate the news, mate. Let's hope they can sort it out this week, assuming they're having meetings. NST might have to be top 4 most significant events in Australian football in the last 20 years. A-League launch, 2006 World Cup, 2023 World Cup at home, and this.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... Yeah I mentioned that above, the idea is to "level up" clubs, not play a knockout. But if EACH club could play 3-10 extra matches at a better national level for one year, why not? It's better than nothing and better than just NPL. I want a proper league, but if even the clubs can't agree with each other then we're a bit screwed. At least find a middle ground for a season. I'm not surprised they're threatening each other with legal after agreement, but hopefully there's a peaceful outcome instead. Unbelievably frustrating. And reserves/youth teams should not be on planes, absolutely no need. APL should not be looking at that. Hey matey, no the clubs arent threatening each other legally, its the FA they have a beef with... The clubs that are unhappy with the latest CL garbage have spent money and signed contracts based on an agreement and acceptance by the Football Federation of Australia to participate in a national home and away season next year.. IF that does NOT go ahead in some for or another they have the right to recoup some of the monies already spent AND protect themselves from their own independent contracts with sponsors and players.... 3-10 extra matches next year is NOT going to appease a sponsor who has paid money to be "front of shirt" for example with the anticipation of reaching a national audience over a full season... Nor is it going to recover sign on bonuses for new staff and players already signed up that will now be "surplus to requirements" in the same old NPL state league. Maybe they should. If the original 1 or 2 of the original 8 (who knew the conditions) are backing out now the other 6 or 7 should be looking at them. The FA also entered into arrangements based on those original 8 signing up. Should they be threatening the recalcitrants with legal action? Time to knock a few heads together in a room instead of playing out the problems on social media.
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Reading some old articles. This quote from Johnson four years ago might be insightful:
Johnson conceded much more "number-crunching" was needed, but an equilibrium had to be found between the positions of different stakeholders, who hold contrasting opinions on what should be required financially from clubs in a second tier.
"There's two views - obviously we need to be pragmatic and set the player costs and the running of a club at a lower level so that more matches can be played. Then there's another view which is we need to set it at a higher level because we need a higher product," he said.
"On one hand, we don't want to create a competition that's not going to add any value - it needs to be quality. But we don't want to set the bar so high that we can't do it, because the reality is the vast majority of countries around the world have a second-tier competition. Why is it that we can't?"
Also interesting reading that Melbourne Knights wanted pro/rel with the NPLs straight away, but also a summer NST. Not sure how the timings work with that.
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+x+x+x+xthe very sad thing is Football in Australia cannot generate enough revenue or support to operate the way many want it to operate. IMO the even sadder thing thing is so many people believe the answer is both simple and easy to do.... there is no simple solution never has been.... the belief that their is this magical solution out there IMO stops other thoughts and ideas. I'd try a simple solution first Full Pyramid Every Decision at Every Club can be then based on a solid Structure where Every Club can find their own level thanks you are obviously right... its so simple... no other issues... nothing else matters ... nothing else will work... again thanks for stating the obvious solution that solves all problems... Mid, it solves the MAIN problem though... T According to those that believe it will. My issue and remember I want P & R....IMO P & R is part of the problem but not the main issue....
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Box2Box - Nick Galatas & AAFC’s response to NSD delay The whole podcast is great  chat. From 14'-30' I discuss NSD devts & issues. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/box2box-nick-galatas-aafcs-response-to-nsd-delay-mark/id1059308562?i=1000662974685
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Looks like the updates is he is still hopeful about a h and a launch and the wobbles from clubs was in part due to the short timeline since the rfp proposal has taken forever. We again hear tha Nick wants more flexible criteria for entrants but not word on whether that is likely to be approved
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Sounds like member feds are still an issue.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLooking at the past couple of pages of this thread I got to ask: Why is it do bedwetters and perl cluchers never remember THE A-LEAGUE STARTED OUT AS A KO TOURNAMENT ? We won't be playing six matches in a KO tournament. And I think a KO tournament of any length would be a complete waste of time (unless following a group stage). They idea is to "level up" clubs. That won't happen by playing one match then out. If we're stuck with Champions League for a year, there could be anywhere between 3 and 10 matches for each club. As far as I'm aware, FA would pay for travel and accomodation, and those costs are similar in comparison to a 12 team league season (as we would be including Perth and possibly more clubs for the CL). The real reduction with the CL model would be in other running costs for FA and the clubs for not having to run a full season of professional football (more like one-third of time for a CL). Without club support, there's nothing. They've said no to group format. It's either a proper league or it's fallen over unfortunately 😕 Yeah, I understand the stance. But why wouldn't they want to play the extra matches anyway? CL is still more prestigious than just NPL. But really, let's just go ahead with the 8 clubs! Why isn't that on the table? For the same reason the NPL "Championship" was scrapped... The drive behind a second division is NOT TV content or 8 more matches, its to structure a WHOLE second tier of clubs, players, administrators, tech depts, fans, referees, etc etc etc ... APL just wants to make sure their NPL sides get included in a make believe Champions league because they cant afford a Youth league and they don't want the second division to EVER be established... Yeah I mentioned that above, the idea is to "level up" clubs, not play a knockout. But if EACH club could play 3-10 extra matches at a better national level for one year, why not? It's better than nothing and better than just NPL. I want a proper league, but if even the clubs can't agree with each other then we're a bit screwed. At least find a middle ground for a season. I'm not surprised they're threatening each other with legal after agreement, but hopefully there's a peaceful outcome instead. Unbelievably frustrating. And reserves/youth teams should not be on planes, absolutely no need. APL should not be looking at that. Hey matey, no the clubs arent threatening each other legally, its the FA they have a beef with... The clubs that are unhappy with the latest CL garbage have spent money and signed contracts based on an agreement and acceptance by the Football Federation of Australia to participate in a national home and away season next year.. IF that does NOT go ahead in some for or another they have the right to recoup some of the monies already spent AND protect themselves from their own independent contracts with sponsors and players.... 3-10 extra matches next year is NOT going to appease a sponsor who has paid money to be "front of shirt" for example with the anticipation of reaching a national audience over a full season... Nor is it going to recover sign on bonuses for new staff and players already signed up that will now be "surplus to requirements" in the same old NPL state league. Maybe they should. If the original 1 or 2 of the original 8 (who knew the conditions) are backing out now the other 6 or 7 should be looking at them. The FA also entered into arrangements based on those original 8 signing up. Should they be threatening the recalcitrants with legal action? Time to knock a few heads together in a room instead of playing out the problems on social media. so you think it wise to consider going after the 2 clubs having issues is a approach to consider..... Seriously pj thats not a good call at all that just causes harm amongst the NPL side of life. You work the situation out not take offensive action despite anything that was signed, a far more pragmatic approach. More so banging heads is towards the Feds.
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“APIA Leichhardt have had no issues with the recent conversations with the FA over the Second League, a lot of what is going around is disingenuous and deceptive,” he said. “If the league has to wait another year and start later, it only means the clubs care enough about the league that we want to do it right, more time for sponsorship deals, more time to build the league and talk to Football Australia about the future, I don’t see any of this as a bad process. “With extra preparation, I’m confident more clubs can reach the standard to join the league. In my opinion, a team in Queensland, South Australia, Tasmanian and another in Melbourne is a must and possible. “Our expectations for this league and the impact it’ll have on Australian football have not diminished.”
https://www.soccerscene.com.au/apia-leichhardt-president-tony-raciti-calls-for-calm-as-national-second-tier-speculation-emerges/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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+x+x+x+x+xthe very sad thing is Football in Australia cannot generate enough revenue or support to operate the way many want it to operate. IMO the even sadder thing thing is so many people believe the answer is both simple and easy to do.... there is no simple solution never has been.... the belief that their is this magical solution out there IMO stops other thoughts and ideas. I'd try a simple solution first Full Pyramid Every Decision at Every Club can be then based on a solid Structure where Every Club can find their own level thanks you are obviously right... its so simple... no other issues... nothing else matters ... nothing else will work... again thanks for stating the obvious solution that solves all problems... Mid, it solves the MAIN problem though... T According to those that believe it will. My issue and remember I want P & R....IMO P & R is part of the problem but not the main issue.... OK, fair enough. Would you let me know what you think the MAIN ISSUE is then? What is the #1 limitation on growing and improving the more than 1000 clubs and a million participants of football in this country?
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+xReading some old articles. This quote from Johnson four years ago might be insightful: Johnson conceded much more "number-crunching" was needed, but an equilibrium had to be found between the positions of different stakeholders, who hold contrasting opinions on what should be required financially from clubs in a second tier. "There's two views - obviously we need to be pragmatic and set the player costs and the running of a club at a lower level so that more matches can be played. Then there's another view which is we need to set it at a higher level because we need a higher product," he said. "On one hand, we don't want to create a competition that's not going to add any value - it needs to be quality. But we don't want to set the bar so high that we can't do it, because the reality is the vast majority of countries around the world have a second-tier competition. Why is it that we can't?" Says who ?
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+x+x+x+xthe very sad thing is Football in Australia cannot generate enough revenue or support to operate the way many want it to operate. IMO the even sadder thing thing is so many people believe the answer is both simple and easy to do.... there is no simple solution never has been.... the belief that their is this magical solution out there IMO stops other thoughts and ideas. I'd try a simple solution first Full Pyramid Every Decision at Every Club can be then based on a solid Structure where Every Club can find their own level thanks you are obviously right... its so simple... no other issues... nothing else matters ... nothing else will work... again thanks for stating the obvious solution that solves all problems... name a problem 
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+x“APIA Leichhardt have had no issues with the recent conversations with the FA over the Second League, a lot of what is going around is disingenuous and deceptive,” he said. “If the league has to wait another year and start later, it only means the clubs care enough about the league that we want to do it right, more time for sponsorship deals, more time to build the league and talk to Football Australia about the future, I don’t see any of this as a bad process. “With extra preparation, I’m confident more clubs can reach the standard to join the league. In my opinion, a team in Queensland, South Australia, Tasmanian and another in Melbourne is a must and possible. “Our expectations for this league and the impact it’ll have on Australian football have not diminished.”
https://www.soccerscene.com.au/apia-leichhardt-president-tony-raciti-calls-for-calm-as-national-second-tier-speculation-emerges/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtATF-gMGx4So old mate Raciti, STILL hasnt found a major sponsor (now aiming for 100k when last year it was 250k per year)? And Still hasn't sold 2,500 memberships..... and still hasn't sold the 20 ownership shares (in what is a ground breaking Bayern Munich and Wimbledon AFC style ownership model only HE could have envisaged in Australia). hahahahaah In November it was 2025 or bust, now its, "The A league licenses expire in 2034 so we should be up and running by then" Spare me...
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I'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss:
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+xI'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss: Dont be mate its either gonna happen next year or it never will... Sadly, if we cannot manage to get an even bare bones second division up and running by March 2025 then the football pyramid will remain exactly as it is now for at least another 2-3 decades when somebody tries again. South and maybe Wolves and Marconi will eventually be "invited" to join the Aleague (I am hearing the APL has already started sending flowers and chocolates) with the hope of boosting club numbers but that is far, far off and not something I or anyone else I know is interested in so will just keep following the U23s in winter if it happens....
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+x+xI'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss: South and maybe Wolves and Marconi will eventually be "invited" to join the Aleague (I am hearing the APL has already started sending flowers and chocolates) with the hope of boosting club numbers Any club they can suck in makes forming an NST harder If licenses are going for $1, killing the competition is the next best option.
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Macarthur have lost their stadium deal last week, definitely expect Wollongong Wolves being in discussions with the APL soon.
Macarthur will not be able to afford 2.5mil loss over 4-5 years, obviously unless an injection or new consortium comes in.
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+xMacarthur have lost their stadium deal last week, definitely expect Wollongong Wolves being in discussions with the APL soon. Macarthur will not be able to afford 2.5mil loss over 4-5 years, obviously unless an injection or new consortium comes in. Should add that the 2.5mil estimated loss is on top of any other loss Macarthur currently have.
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+x+xI'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss: Dont be mate its either gonna happen next year or it never will... Sadly, if we cannot manage to get an even bare bones second division up and running by March 2025 then the football pyramid will remain exactly as it is now for at least another 2-3 decades when somebody tries again.South and maybe Wolves and Marconi will eventually be "invited" to join the Aleague (I am hearing the APL has already started sending flowers and chocolates) with the hope of boosting club numbers but that is far, far off and not something I or anyone else I know is interested in so will just keep following the U23s in winter if it happens.... It needs to happen in 2025. The APL will add another team next year (maybe Canberra but others have indicated they could move forward a year if needed). And probably 2 more the year later. This is the window and it needs to be taken now.
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+x+xI'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss: South and maybe Wolves and Marconi will eventually be "invited" to join the Aleague (I am hearing the APL has already started sending flowers and chocolates) with the hope of boosting club numbers but that is far, far off and not something I or anyone else I know is interested in so will just keep following the U23s in winter if it happens.... I reckon for that to even be considered there would need to be either a dramatic reduction of the license fee or the A-League would need to improve 10 fold in every measurable metric. In no reality do any of those clubs fork out $25M for an A-League license. I reckon even if they waived the license fee, clubs would be still putting their hand up to pay $1.7M in player salaries just to meet the salary floor as the grant money is so low. Add to that all the staffing requirements. It simply wouldn't make sense for any of those clubs to join the A-League.
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+x+x“APIA Leichhardt have had no issues with the recent conversations with the FA over the Second League, a lot of what is going around is disingenuous and deceptive,” he said. “If the league has to wait another year and start later, it only means the clubs care enough about the league that we want to do it right, more time for sponsorship deals, more time to build the league and talk to Football Australia about the future, I don’t see any of this as a bad process. “With extra preparation, I’m confident more clubs can reach the standard to join the league. In my opinion, a team in Queensland, South Australia, Tasmanian and another in Melbourne is a must and possible. “Our expectations for this league and the impact it’ll have on Australian football have not diminished.”
https://www.soccerscene.com.au/apia-leichhardt-president-tony-raciti-calls-for-calm-as-national-second-tier-speculation-emerges/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtATF-gMGx4So old mate Raciti, STILL hasnt found a major sponsor (now aiming for 100k when last year it was 250k per year)? And Still hasn't sold 2,500 memberships..... and still hasn't sold the 20 ownership shares (in what is a ground breaking Bayern Munich and Wimbledon AFC style ownership model only HE could have envisaged in Australia). hahahahaah In November it was 2025 or bust, now its, "The A league licenses expire in 2034 so we should be up and running by then" Spare me... Yep, doesn't seem to have secured anything as yet, all 'great ideas'. 40 years in the role is a great achievement, however that also invites questions that I don't want to ask as I am not involved at all with the club. Kicking the can down the road is not a solution we need now. It will never be perfect conditions to start, even if we 'planned' for 2026. We need Leadership ie real courage from FA, Foundation Clubs and Federations to push for 2025 in a H and A format irrespective of the number of teams.
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+xMacarthur have lost their stadium deal last week, definitely expect Wollongong Wolves being in discussions with the APL soon. Macarthur will not be able to afford 2.5mil loss over 4-5 years, obviously unless an injection or new consortium comes in. As I read it, Stadium deal is for 15 years with 7 at a discount (til 2026)  It's the $500k per annum Sponsorship request for 2025 onwards that has been recommended to be turned down  . . . .  https://www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au/files/sharedassets/public/v/2/council-and-councillors/documents/meetings-and-minutes-2024/may-2024/ordinarycouncilmeetingagenda-14may2024.pdf
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+x+x+xI'm at a loss with all this spin :Whistling::discuss: South and maybe Wolves and Marconi will eventually be "invited" to join the Aleague (I am hearing the APL has already started sending flowers and chocolates) with the hope of boosting club numbers Any club they can suck in makes forming an NST harder If licenses are going for $1, killing the competition is the next best option. NST is done - until 2030 anyway, not enough clubs with sufficient backing/resources. Souths will be invited to A-Liga. Wolves don't have funding, unless they find new major backer will not be in A-Liga, however could be fast tracked with some compromise if MacArthur go bust. Marconi will not be invited.
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+x“APIA Leichhardt have had no issues with the recent conversations with the FA over the Second League, a lot of what is going around is disingenuous and deceptive,” he said. “If the league has to wait another year and start later, it only means the clubs care enough about the league that we want to do it right, more time for sponsorship deals, more time to build the league and talk to Football Australia about the future, I don’t see any of this as a bad process. “With extra preparation, I’m confident more clubs can reach the standard to join the league. In my opinion, a team in Queensland, South Australia, Tasmanian and another in Melbourne is a must and possible. “Our expectations for this league and the impact it’ll have on Australian football have not diminished.”
https://www.soccerscene.com.au/apia-leichhardt-president-tony-raciti-calls-for-calm-as-national-second-tier-speculation-emerges/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Sounds like he is still committed to delaying
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