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+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Japan especially, are another level, I think they are about to hit the elite level. This is what happens when you have a population of 150 million & you spend money on football, they have government backing & a long term vision. I don’t think the size of the population is a major factor but the other three are. I think Population plays a part, if a country had a large population, reasonable economy & strong footballing infrastructure Spain, Germany, France, England. If Brazil with 280M people has the same economy & footballing infrastructure, they would nearly be unbeatable.
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Not really. Brazil got funded in football and got all infrastructures they need. Every kids playing street football in every corners. They couldn't get much better than they are now. Money isn't the issue there.
Imagine if USA didn't have NFL and soccer is their number 1 sport there. USA will rule the football world. Also, if Australia plays soccer instead of AFL. Average attendance of the league would be over 3-40,000 per game and how much stronger the Socceroos could be.
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Obviously we were missing McGree, but Roberston has been one of the top players in League 1 this season, the same as what Luongo was being lauded last year when everyone was calling for him....except Alex is much younger and more mobile imo. He needs to be playing games for us.
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+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Mat Ryan no chance?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Mat Ryan no chance? Or Souttar?
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+xNot really. Brazil got funded in football and got all infrastructures they need. Every kids playing street football in every corners. They couldn't get much better than they are now. Money isn't the issue there. Imagine if USA didn't have NFL and soccer is their number 1 sport there. USA will rule the football world. Also, if Australia plays soccer instead of AFL. Average attendance of the league would be over 3-40,000 per game and how much stronger the Socceroos could be. I agree with you on both the US & Australia, we are first world nations & lots of monies is spent on sport. Brazil is a 3rd world nation, they are struggling in this strong professional era. They have not looked like winning the world cup since 2006, they have great players & still produces more great players than anyone else but as far as national team goes they are struggling. They went 24 years with winning world cup between 1970 & 1994 but was ripped off in 1978, was the best attacking teams in 1982 & 1986. By the time next WC, it will be 24 years & since 2002, they have not gone close, only 2006 were they a chance.
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+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Very interesting? Very sage point made, Enzo. A bit frightening for us, if Kyogi Furahashi hasn't been able to make the Japanese first eleven until recently.
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+x+x+xI get that we usually struggle in the Middle East but that was an underwhelming performance, outside of Souttar's big presence in the box we struggle to create clear cut chances and we know these become a premium against more harder opposition. No taking away Palestine's heartening performance but they are ranked 98th in the world and we should be doing better at controlling games...and that's with the ball and not just without it! We have a midfield 3 but they dont seem to function well in possession especially Irvine and Baccus who are exponents of it of being too safe, Metcalfe is decent but this is where Luongo should come into the team or a healthy Genreau as they able to help us play through the middle and get our wingers more active. Of course an McGree and Hrustic will help with attacking and creativity from the later in the No.10 slot too. And speaking of wingers, not a single minute played by Silvera, either it's tactical where he's not a left footed winger on the left or Arnie doesnt rate him whatsoever as a dribbling and creative threat because our front 3 did very little to penetrate or create anything reasonable to test Palestine's defence and that's why players like Silvera become important as he offers something different to them. Once Borrello came on we looked a bit better but overall we didn't create alot in the game and against better defences its something to keep an eye especially where there is a heavy reliance on Souttar from set pieces. Overall a win is a win but I felt we should have done more with what we got which wasn't used in this game at all. Got cut off after 60 min. Only saw the first 60 min of the game. In our midfield triangle the midfielders Metcalfe, Irvine and Baccus, were often too far from each other. Irvine was at the base with Baccus at times to play out when we gained possession deep in our own half. Given Palestine's quality pressing, Baccus was often too static. He needed to do some checking - feinting in one direction, and moving in another to shake his marker and create space. Metcalfe was often too far forwards towards Duke when we were trying to build up deep in our own half. There wasn't enough movement off the ball when we had possession in the first 60 mins. All of these factors enabled a compact Palestinian team to close down Aus's passing lanes when we had the ball. Constantly Soccerooo midfielders and forwards were receiving the ball with their body position facing back towards our own goal. We need them facing forwards. Things ever evolve on football. Goodwin had some poor touches by his own standards. Did Bos replace him at LW or Behich at LB? Did Borrello replace Boyle at RW? That's why a midfielder like Luongo or Genreau would have been handy to use, these players are able to play between the lines and connect the midfield to attack more effectively. And Yes Bos replaced Goodwin and didnt do that much different to Goodwin, a player like Silvera who have been useful so its a surprise he wasnt used at all. Is Arnie's coaching too rigid? Or does he need to be more flexible with the players he has available? I think against teams that play more proactively against us, often highly ranked, Arnie has recently put out some sage selections on the pitch, accompanied with a game plan of an increased frequency of accelerated attacks than normal. However, against teams that sit back a bit more, although Palestine to their credit didn't, Arnie needs a few more creative and skilful players on the pitch - despite their comparative lack of defensive qualities. We need to break down these compact defences more effectively. Hard working players, with a lower level of skill, won't necessarily do this.
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+xObviously we were missing McGree, but Roberston has been one of the top players in League 1 this season, the same as what Luongo was being lauded last year when everyone was calling for him....except Alex is much younger and more mobile imo. He needs to be playing games for us. I'm not surprised Robertson has been one of the best in League 1. Although I was worried about a player with his classy technical qualities playing in this league. It would have been be preferable him playing in one of the more technically adept teams in the Championship, top divs in Belgium or Netherlands, or even Switzerland or Denmark.
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+x+x+x+xI get that we usually struggle in the Middle East but that was an underwhelming performance, outside of Souttar's big presence in the box we struggle to create clear cut chances and we know these become a premium against more harder opposition. No taking away Palestine's heartening performance but they are ranked 98th in the world and we should be doing better at controlling games...and that's with the ball and not just without it! We have a midfield 3 but they dont seem to function well in possession especially Irvine and Baccus who are exponents of it of being too safe, Metcalfe is decent but this is where Luongo should come into the team or a healthy Genreau as they able to help us play through the middle and get our wingers more active. Of course an McGree and Hrustic will help with attacking and creativity from the later in the No.10 slot too. And speaking of wingers, not a single minute played by Silvera, either it's tactical where he's not a left footed winger on the left or Arnie doesnt rate him whatsoever as a dribbling and creative threat because our front 3 did very little to penetrate or create anything reasonable to test Palestine's defence and that's why players like Silvera become important as he offers something different to them. Once Borrello came on we looked a bit better but overall we didn't create alot in the game and against better defences its something to keep an eye especially where there is a heavy reliance on Souttar from set pieces. Overall a win is a win but I felt we should have done more with what we got which wasn't used in this game at all. Got cut off after 60 min. Only saw the first 60 min of the game. In our midfield triangle the midfielders Metcalfe, Irvine and Baccus, were often too far from each other. Irvine was at the base with Baccus at times to play out when we gained possession deep in our own half. Given Palestine's quality pressing, Baccus was often too static. He needed to do some checking - feinting in one direction, and moving in another to shake his marker and create space. Metcalfe was often too far forwards towards Duke when we were trying to build up deep in our own half. There wasn't enough movement off the ball when we had possession in the first 60 mins. All of these factors enabled a compact Palestinian team to close down Aus's passing lanes when we had the ball. Constantly Soccerooo midfielders and forwards were receiving the ball with their body position facing back towards our own goal. We need them facing forwards. Things ever evolve on football. Goodwin had some poor touches by his own standards. Did Bos replace him at LW or Behich at LB? Did Borrello replace Boyle at RW? That's why a midfielder like Luongo or Genreau would have been handy to use, these players are able to play between the lines and connect the midfield to attack more effectively. And Yes Bos replaced Goodwin and didnt do that much different to Goodwin, a player like Silvera who have been useful so its a surprise he wasnt used at all. Is Arnie's coaching too rigid? Or does he need to be more flexible with the players he has available? I think against teams that play more proactively against us, often highly ranked, Arnie has recently put out some sage selections on the pitch, accompanied with a game plan of an increased frequency of accelerated attacks than normal. However, against teams that sit back a bit more, although Palestine to their credit didn't, Arnie needs a few more creative and skilful players on the pitch - despite their comparative lack of defensive qualities. We need to break down these compact defences more effectively. Hard working players, with a lower level of skill, won't necessarily do this. Yep good points, ok against strong teams where we will have less of the ball and control of the game but we need to do more against teams where we are expected to win (pardon the Arnie quote when he was at Sydney FC lol).
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+x+xObviously we were missing McGree, but Roberston has been one of the top players in League 1 this season, the same as what Luongo was being lauded last year when everyone was calling for him....except Alex is much younger and more mobile imo. He needs to be playing games for us. I'm not surprised Robertson has been one of the best in League 1. Although I was worried about a player with his classy technical qualities playing in this league. It would have been be preferable him playing in one of the more technically adept teams in the Championship, top divs in Belgium or Netherlands, or even Switzerland or Denmark. I think this comment is 12 months out of date. England had been transforming its lower leagues. Last season the average game had 450 passes per game, this season around 600 with more than half your teams playing a very modern style. A few years ago the second division underwent a similar change (you mentioned nottingham as a vangaurd team) im wondering how long before this trickles up to the english national team.
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Arnie knew that Palestine would be a tough test for a number of reasons.He was cautious in his selection of the run on team,relying on players who have got the job done before in pressure games.Hence no Circati or Silvera given game time.He did start with Strain but the injury gave Miller his chance early.He also started with Baccus,Irvine and Metcalfe who were overrun in the midfield.I would have brought on Luongo in place of Baccus early or would have started him.Irvine had one of his anonymous games and O'Neill offers more in the long term.
Goodwin had probably his worst game in Socceroos colours and Bos should have been on much earlier.
As already mentioned without Mooy particularly and Rogic to a lesser extent our midfield sometimes lacks potency.Luongo,McGree and hopefully Genreau can do the job with O'Neill at the base.
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+x+x+x+x+xI get that we usually struggle in the Middle East but that was an underwhelming performance, outside of Souttar's big presence in the box we struggle to create clear cut chances and we know these become a premium against more harder opposition. No taking away Palestine's heartening performance but they are ranked 98th in the world and we should be doing better at controlling games...and that's with the ball and not just without it! We have a midfield 3 but they dont seem to function well in possession especially Irvine and Baccus who are exponents of it of being too safe, Metcalfe is decent but this is where Luongo should come into the team or a healthy Genreau as they able to help us play through the middle and get our wingers more active. Of course an McGree and Hrustic will help with attacking and creativity from the later in the No.10 slot too. And speaking of wingers, not a single minute played by Silvera, either it's tactical where he's not a left footed winger on the left or Arnie doesnt rate him whatsoever as a dribbling and creative threat because our front 3 did very little to penetrate or create anything reasonable to test Palestine's defence and that's why players like Silvera become important as he offers something different to them. Once Borrello came on we looked a bit better but overall we didn't create alot in the game and against better defences its something to keep an eye especially where there is a heavy reliance on Souttar from set pieces. Overall a win is a win but I felt we should have done more with what we got which wasn't used in this game at all. Got cut off after 60 min. Only saw the first 60 min of the game. In our midfield triangle the midfielders Metcalfe, Irvine and Baccus, were often too far from each other. Irvine was at the base with Baccus at times to play out when we gained possession deep in our own half. Given Palestine's quality pressing, Baccus was often too static. He needed to do some checking - feinting in one direction, and moving in another to shake his marker and create space. Metcalfe was often too far forwards towards Duke when we were trying to build up deep in our own half. There wasn't enough movement off the ball when we had possession in the first 60 mins. All of these factors enabled a compact Palestinian team to close down Aus's passing lanes when we had the ball. Constantly Soccerooo midfielders and forwards were receiving the ball with their body position facing back towards our own goal. We need them facing forwards. Things ever evolve on football. Goodwin had some poor touches by his own standards. Did Bos replace him at LW or Behich at LB? Did Borrello replace Boyle at RW? That's why a midfielder like Luongo or Genreau would have been handy to use, these players are able to play between the lines and connect the midfield to attack more effectively. And Yes Bos replaced Goodwin and didnt do that much different to Goodwin, a player like Silvera who have been useful so its a surprise he wasnt used at all. Is Arnie's coaching too rigid? Or does he need to be more flexible with the players he has available? I think against teams that play more proactively against us, often highly ranked, Arnie has recently put out some sage selections on the pitch, accompanied with a game plan of an increased frequency of accelerated attacks than normal. However, against teams that sit back a bit more, although Palestine to their credit didn't, Arnie needs a few more creative and skilful players on the pitch - despite their comparative lack of defensive qualities. We need to break down these compact defences more effectively. Hard working players, with a lower level of skill, won't necessarily do this. Yep good points, ok against strong teams where we will have less of the ball and control of the game but we need to do more against teams where we are expected to win (pardon the Arnie quote when he was at Sydney FC lol). This just shows the contrasting styles of football philosophy from our 2 most prominent coaches in Ange & Arnie. Arnie is more pragmatic and builds his team on structure building, a strong squad & having a strong mentality. He has been very successful as an A-League coach & the Socceroos coach. This holds him in good stead against teams that are better than his, the mentality he has instilled in his team & the structure he sets up is strong, they are bale to stay in the game without the ball. However even at SFC when he had the creative genius of Ninko, he would frustrate the fans by being pragmatic of putting Matt Simon on in the last 15 minutes to shut up shop & win 1or 2 nil. Arnie does struggle with his structure against teams who sit back. Ange is more expansive, he is an innovator, he encourages his team to do better. His Brisbane Roar side changed football in this country, yes helped that he had Broich, but he's continued to do that with the Socceroos, Yokohama, Celtic & now Spurs. This makes his teams entertaining to watch because he encourages & doesn't penalise creativity, he does well against lesser teams. Against better teams, he plays the same way & gets criticise for it, with Socceroos, he didn't have the cattle, with Celtic, he couldn't do it in the Champions league, for Spurs, he was suicidal playing the high line against quality opposition. As far as creativity goes, we in this country struggles to produce world class creative players, see above about Japan. That is why Luongo (since Mooy & Rogic retired) is so important to us until Hrustic recovers from injury, Robertson meets his potential or Volpato gets his Socceroos chance.
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Are there any better LB and RB for us ?
We now know Strain & Miller couldn't dribble and will struggle against tough Asian opponents like Japan/Korea/Uzbekistan/Iran/Saudis and more. Is Geria or Deng suitable as alternate options?
LB >> Bos is fine but Behich with unnecessary backpass & sideway when there was space to run is frustrating. Davidson /Brad Smith/Gerbach won't be called up no more. Are there any good one out there that is not Joel King or Grant ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Mat Ryan no chance? yer he may force his way in against their GK's for they are going through a phase if read right with 2 young GK's under 25yrs and one 29yrs just called up. 2 play in JL the youngest in Belguim league. As for BT mentioning Souttar, I actually doubt he'd start up. Their backline consist of regular Bundas1 defenders x 3, we know Tomiyasu for Arsenal, 1 for Huddersfield, 1 in Erevidise. LIke seriously he's be neck and neck with one or 2 but on the bench and would he have the mobility and skill alike to some of them ? Be interesting to see him play off with them. Overall Enzo is right imo I agree, hardly any would get into their NT same applies to SK pretty much. mark 000 i can't see Deng lift and play the perfect 90min defensive game needed against those tough opponents you mention. Maybe Davo could meet the challenge ? but. Real shame about Gersbach, showed alot of promise. Had hope after Smith showed that little promise at LFC but they were happy to move him on and despite he gaining a MLS title if I recall right you just don't hear of him. Is no press good ? I don't know. King is way too soft and once tunred he's done, Grant is done. Bos impress's me of late but he's more attacker no ? than a defensive player. So seems we're light for a good LB.
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+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Disagree profoundly with this. They are ranked only slightly above us and our games are always close. We play a totally different style so you're comparing apples with satsumas.
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its never apples with apples comparing NT's (barring the exceptions similar play from europe and latinos) but you can see on the pitch close or not....... Profoundly disagreeing means moot I'm afraid. Different styles is a given but IF you think we are near as good overall in a 90min game I must be watching another game. Those close games they would have had double the amount of near chances created not taken compared to us, let alone we may have had our few chances not taken as well. We haven't beaten them since 2009 (Internationals) ! Point is to Win, close doesn't get bragging rights, they know they have it over us as long as they play their game of skill/possession/movement. https://www.11v11.com/teams/australia/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Japan/Just review AFC Club results for more comparing, I'm sure you know let alone what leagues most their players are in compared to ours.
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+xits never apples with apples comparing NT's (barring the exceptions similar play from europe and latinos) but you can see on the pitch close or not....... Profoundly disagreeing means moot I'm afraid. Different styles is a given but IF you think we are near as good overall in a 90min game I must be watching another game. Those close games they would have had double the amount of near chances created not taken compared to us, let alone we may have had our few chances not taken as well. We haven't beaten them since 2009 (Internationals) ! Point is to Win, close doesn't get bragging rights, they know they have it over us as long as they play their game of skill/possession/movement. https://www.11v11.com/teams/australia/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Japan/Just review AFC Club results for more comparing, I'm sure you know let alone what leagues most their players are in compared to ours. I was excited about this new Socceroos team would be something special until I saw that game against Palestines. Forget about tactic , score and everything else. Our players first touch are shockingly bad I mean terrible. And we got none of creativity in midfield. It is like Arnie drew the tactic on the board and tell you to go out and play. Jet lag isnt an excuse as Japan did the same thing playing Syria and their teamworks/ basic first touch are night and day from the Socceroos. They got Kubo from Real Sociedad in LaLiga and we got Baccus (who wasnt even creative @st Miller) as our main man. They got RB and LB who would run & push forward and beat in any 1 on 1 situation. We got Behich who turned back and killed any transition going forward. Then we have RB (strain & Miller) whose body are as big as Harry Macguire and can't dribble in a 1 on 1 with bad first touch.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Mat Ryan no chance? Never been a fan of Ryan TBH. I've always seen Langerak as the better keeper. Japan's number 3 keeper is a 21 year old on Man United's books currently on loan to the Belgian top flight, the same league as Ryan's peak.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Disagree profoundly with this. They are ranked only slightly above us and our games are always close. We play a totally different style so you're comparing apples with satsumas. They beat both Germany and Spain at the last WC. We haven't beaten them in 14 years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI just watched Japan 5-0 and Korea 3-0 China. Their players basic first touch and pass and move were a mile ahead of us. None of our players (apart from Souttar) would be even close to making their team. Goodwin lost possession everytime he touched the ball, Irvine & Behich looked up then scared then passed it backwards. Miller/strain didn't have ability to dribble. Baccus almost zero creativity and problems every where in that team and Arnie tactic. Other than Souttar maybe G Kuol and Irankunda have enough to make Japan or Sth Korea squads - but know what you mean. Skill differences aside the Roos really didn’t have a good game at all tbf Kuol is a bench warmer for a relegation tier side in holland,and irankunda is unproven at the elite level. They aren't going near any of those sides atm. Kuol and Irankunda have the touch and technical skills like some Japanese and Korean players though which Roos are lacking by comparison. Kuol can bring down a ball with soft touch and get a shot on target against Argentina at Wcup at least Kyogo Furuhashi has been top scorer for 2 years and current player of the year in the SPL where many of our players are. He hasn't been been able to make the starting eleven for Japan till recently. NONE and I mean NONE our players get a look in playing for Japan. Disagree profoundly with this. They are ranked only slightly above us and our games are always close. We play a totally different style so you're comparing apples with satsumas. They beat both Germany and Spain at the last WC. We haven't beaten them in 14 years. Not just last world cup. FIFA Day last month Japan 4-1 Germany in Germany then they beat Turkey (Team that top of the group in Euro qualified) 4-2. They are unbeaten in 6 games also beat El Salvador 6-0, Canada 4-1, Peru 4-1 and Tunisia 2-0
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+x+xits never apples with apples comparing NT's (barring the exceptions similar play from europe and latinos) but you can see on the pitch close or not....... Profoundly disagreeing means moot I'm afraid. Different styles is a given but IF you think we are near as good overall in a 90min game I must be watching another game. Those close games they would have had double the amount of near chances created not taken compared to us, let alone we may have had our few chances not taken as well. We haven't beaten them since 2009 (Internationals) ! Point is to Win, close doesn't get bragging rights, they know they have it over us as long as they play their game of skill/possession/movement. https://www.11v11.com/teams/australia/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Japan/Just review AFC Club results for more comparing, I'm sure you know let alone what leagues most their players are in compared to ours. I was excited about this new Socceroos team would be something special until I saw that game against Palestines. Forget about tactic , score and everything else. Our players first touch are shockingly bad I mean terrible. And we got none of creativity in midfield. It is like Arnie drew the tactic on the board and tell you to go out and play. Jet lag isnt an excuse as Japan did the same thing playing Syria and their teamworks/ basic first touch are night and day from the Socceroos. They got Kubo from Real Sociedad in LaLiga and we got Baccus (who wasnt even creative @st Miller) as our main man. They got RB and LB who would run & push forward and beat in any 1 on 1 situation. We got Behich who turned back and killed any transition going forward. Then we have RB (strain & Miller) whose body are as big as Harry Macguire and can't dribble in a 1 on 1 with bad first touch. Mr Cleansheets profoundly disagrees And I expect Mr D2 will come in beat the drum with stats and we’ve qualified last 5cups And Arnie is sensational we made it passed the grp. Kudos to Arnie no doubt about the achievement much like SA beating the argies a one off scenario. I agree we are no where near a well oiled playing machine let alone individuals with brilliant touch. We are fighters working to a game plan as long as they can hold it together for 90mins. That game in melb the other week should have been 10min against utter minnows all due respect to them.
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I wonder how a midfield of better ball players such as Genreau, Luongo and O'Neill would go. I still feel O'Neill's Ecuador performance was something of a level we've not seen for a good while. Baccus has been fairly good. Irvine is a weird one. He lifts against bigger opponents but gets complacent when it's apparently lighter.
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Asian Cup can have a big bearing on seeding for the next stage:
1554.88 is our current points now (after the Round of 16)
Defeat Korea in normal or extra time is + 19.65 points
in penalties its + 9.5ish points
Assuming Jordan is the opponent in the semi final, that's calculated a further addition of 10.25pts (a penalty shoot win however is only worth 0.25pts)
Essentially battling Korea to stay in Pot 1 as things stand, but winning Asian Cup could see us all the way into second (depending how far Iran and Japan go as well). Prior to the their round of 16 matches, Iran are currently 1,589.33 and Japan 1,607.08
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Ok, so I was going to look at those remaining in the Asian Cup and how this can affect the rankings leading into the next stage of WCQ assuming that 'favourites' (by FIFA Ranking) win without penalties - which means Japan defeats Australia in the final, will look like this AFTER the Asian Cup., with points breakdowns etc. The reason why I have gone for this is because.. well it's the most likely way the bigger teams bag bigger points, and is a bit more realistic. But.. the way it currently stands is the way it will be if that happen, as the way the FIFA Rankings points system is structured, now that we are in a knockout stage, is that countries cannot lose points, only gain points. I'll still include the match by match points breakdown below though, but from what I gather, the only match that will drastically change anything in the pots is anything Tajikistan or Jordan can manage to do, and the result of Australia v Korea (whichever side wins should end up in 3rd, and therefore Pot 1) POT 1 - Japan, Iran, AustraliaPOT 2 - Korea, Qatar, SaudiPOT 3 - Iraq, Uzbekistan, UAEPOT 4 - Oman, Jordan, BahrainPOT 5 - China, Syria, PalestinePOT 6 - Tajikistan, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan
In contrast, the rankings prior to the Asian Cup would have had this as the pots: POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Korea POT 2 - Australia, Saudi, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, China, Bahrain POT 5 - Jordan, Syria, Vietnam POT 6 - Krygyzstan, Palestine, India Obviously this is only taking the rankings into account, and not the actual group structure of the WCQ, As I'm assuming that there is some match ups that will prevent all the top 18 reaching the next stage solely based off the current FIFA Rankings favourites EDIT: Which I am now going to do. So below is the pots above, but using the groupings for qualifying - POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Australia/Korea POT 2 - Australia/Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, Jordan, Bahrain POT 5 - China, Syria, Palestine POT 6 - India, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam MATCH BY MATCH BREAKDOWNQUARTER FINALS
Tajikistan defeats Jordan = 22.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan = 17.08 pts
Tajikistan defeats Jordan in penalties = 12.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan in penalties = Jordan 7.08 pts, Tajikistan 2.92 pts
Australia defeats Korea = 19.65 pts
Korea defeats Australia = 20.35 pts
Australia defeats Korea in penalties = Australia 9.65 pts, Korea 0.35 pts
Korea defeats Australia in penalties = 10.35 pts
Iran defeats Japan = 20.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran = 19.01 pts
Iran defeats Japan in penalties = 10.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran in penalties = Japan 9.01 pts, Iran 0.99 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan = 17.21 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar = 22.79 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan in penalties = Qatar 7.21 pts, Uzbekistan 2.79 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar in penalties = 12.79 pts
SEMI-FINALS
Obviously the points change, so I'm going to use the assumption that in the quarters the favourites all win before penalties in the calculating the next scenarios (which essentially means a repeat of 2011)
Australia defeats Jordan = 10.76 pts
Jordan defeats Australia = 29.24 pts
Australia defeats Jordan in penalties = Australia 0.76 pts, Jordan 9.24 pts
Jordan defeats Australia in penalties = 19.24 pts
Japan defeats Qatar = 13.8 pts
Qatar defeats Japan = 26.2 pts
Japan defeats Qatar in penalties = Japan 3.8 pts, Qatar 6.2 pts
Qatar defeats Japan in penalties = 16.2 pts
FINAL
Australia defeats Japan = 22.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia = 17.6 pts
Australia defeats Japan in penalties = 12.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia in penalties = Japan 7.6 pts, Australia 2.4 pts
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+xOk, so I was going to look at those remaining in the Asian Cup and how this can affect the rankings leading into the next stage of WCQ assuming that 'favourites' (by FIFA Ranking) win without penalties - which means Japan defeats Australia in the final, will look like this AFTER the Asian Cup., with points breakdowns etc. The reason why I have gone for this is because.. well it's the most likely way the bigger teams bag bigger points, and is a bit more realistic. But.. the way it currently stands is the way it will be if that happen, as the way the FIFA Rankings points system is structured, now that we are in a knockout stage, is that countries cannot lose points, only gain points. I'll still include the match by match points breakdown below though, but from what I gather, the only match that will drastically change anything in the pots is anything Tajikistan or Jordan can manage to do, and the result of Australia v Korea (whichever side wins should end up in 3rd, and therefore Pot 1) POT 1 - Japan, Iran, AustraliaPOT 2 - Korea, Qatar, SaudiPOT 3 - Iraq, Uzbekistan, UAEPOT 4 - Oman, Jordan, BahrainPOT 5 - China, Syria, PalestinePOT 6 - Tajikistan, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan
In contrast, the rankings prior to the Asian Cup would have had this as the pots: POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Korea POT 2 - Australia, Saudi, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, China, Bahrain POT 5 - Jordan, Syria, Vietnam POT 6 - Krygyzstan, Palestine, India Obviously this is only taking the rankings into account, and not the actual group structure of the WCQ, As I'm assuming that there is some match ups that will prevent all the top 18 reaching the next stage solely based off the current FIFA Rankings favourites EDIT: Which I am now going to do. So below is the pots above, but using the groupings for qualifying - POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Australia/Korea POT 2 - Australia/Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, Jordan, Bahrain POT 5 - China, Syria, Palestine POT 6 - India, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam MATCH BY MATCH BREAKDOWNQUARTER FINALS
Tajikistan defeats Jordan = 22.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan = 17.08 pts
Tajikistan defeats Jordan in penalties = 12.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan in penalties = Jordan 7.08 pts, Tajikistan 2.92 pts
Australia defeats Korea = 19.65 pts
Korea defeats Australia = 20.35 pts
Australia defeats Korea in penalties = Australia 9.65 pts, Korea 0.35 pts
Korea defeats Australia in penalties = 10.35 pts
Iran defeats Japan = 20.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran = 19.01 pts
Iran defeats Japan in penalties = 10.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran in penalties = Japan 9.01 pts, Iran 0.99 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan = 17.21 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar = 22.79 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan in penalties = Qatar 7.21 pts, Uzbekistan 2.79 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar in penalties = 12.79 pts
SEMI-FINALS
Obviously the points change, so I'm going to use the assumption that in the quarters the favourites all win before penalties in the calculating the next scenarios (which essentially means a repeat of 2011)
Australia defeats Jordan = 10.76 pts
Jordan defeats Australia = 29.24 pts
Australia defeats Jordan in penalties = Australia 0.76 pts, Jordan 9.24 pts
Jordan defeats Australia in penalties = 19.24 pts
Japan defeats Qatar = 13.8 pts
Qatar defeats Japan = 26.2 pts
Japan defeats Qatar in penalties = Japan 3.8 pts, Qatar 6.2 pts
Qatar defeats Japan in penalties = 16.2 pts
FINAL
Australia defeats Japan = 22.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia = 17.6 pts
Australia defeats Japan in penalties = 12.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia in penalties = Japan 7.6 pts, Australia 2.4 pts SK , China, Thailand are in the same group. 1 of them won't make the next round
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+x+xOk, so I was going to look at those remaining in the Asian Cup and how this can affect the rankings leading into the next stage of WCQ assuming that 'favourites' (by FIFA Ranking) win without penalties - which means Japan defeats Australia in the final, will look like this AFTER the Asian Cup., with points breakdowns etc. The reason why I have gone for this is because.. well it's the most likely way the bigger teams bag bigger points, and is a bit more realistic. But.. the way it currently stands is the way it will be if that happen, as the way the FIFA Rankings points system is structured, now that we are in a knockout stage, is that countries cannot lose points, only gain points. I'll still include the match by match points breakdown below though, but from what I gather, the only match that will drastically change anything in the pots is anything Tajikistan or Jordan can manage to do, and the result of Australia v Korea (whichever side wins should end up in 3rd, and therefore Pot 1) POT 1 - Japan, Iran, AustraliaPOT 2 - Korea, Qatar, SaudiPOT 3 - Iraq, Uzbekistan, UAEPOT 4 - Oman, Jordan, BahrainPOT 5 - China, Syria, PalestinePOT 6 - Tajikistan, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan
In contrast, the rankings prior to the Asian Cup would have had this as the pots: POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Korea POT 2 - Australia, Saudi, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, China, Bahrain POT 5 - Jordan, Syria, Vietnam POT 6 - Krygyzstan, Palestine, India Obviously this is only taking the rankings into account, and not the actual group structure of the WCQ, As I'm assuming that there is some match ups that will prevent all the top 18 reaching the next stage solely based off the current FIFA Rankings favourites EDIT: Which I am now going to do. So below is the pots above, but using the groupings for qualifying - POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Australia/Korea POT 2 - Australia/Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, Jordan, Bahrain POT 5 - China, Syria, Palestine POT 6 - India, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam MATCH BY MATCH BREAKDOWNQUARTER FINALS
Tajikistan defeats Jordan = 22.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan = 17.08 pts
Tajikistan defeats Jordan in penalties = 12.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan in penalties = Jordan 7.08 pts, Tajikistan 2.92 pts
Australia defeats Korea = 19.65 pts
Korea defeats Australia = 20.35 pts
Australia defeats Korea in penalties = Australia 9.65 pts, Korea 0.35 pts
Korea defeats Australia in penalties = 10.35 pts
Iran defeats Japan = 20.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran = 19.01 pts
Iran defeats Japan in penalties = 10.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran in penalties = Japan 9.01 pts, Iran 0.99 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan = 17.21 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar = 22.79 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan in penalties = Qatar 7.21 pts, Uzbekistan 2.79 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar in penalties = 12.79 pts
SEMI-FINALS
Obviously the points change, so I'm going to use the assumption that in the quarters the favourites all win before penalties in the calculating the next scenarios (which essentially means a repeat of 2011)
Australia defeats Jordan = 10.76 pts
Jordan defeats Australia = 29.24 pts
Australia defeats Jordan in penalties = Australia 0.76 pts, Jordan 9.24 pts
Jordan defeats Australia in penalties = 19.24 pts
Japan defeats Qatar = 13.8 pts
Qatar defeats Japan = 26.2 pts
Japan defeats Qatar in penalties = Japan 3.8 pts, Qatar 6.2 pts
Qatar defeats Japan in penalties = 16.2 pts
FINAL
Australia defeats Japan = 22.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia = 17.6 pts
Australia defeats Japan in penalties = 12.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia in penalties = Japan 7.6 pts, Australia 2.4 pts SK , China, Thailand are in the same group. 1 of them won't make the next round I know I wrote a lot in the post, but I did already allude to that
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+x+x+xOk, so I was going to look at those remaining in the Asian Cup and how this can affect the rankings leading into the next stage of WCQ assuming that 'favourites' (by FIFA Ranking) win without penalties - which means Japan defeats Australia in the final, will look like this AFTER the Asian Cup., with points breakdowns etc. The reason why I have gone for this is because.. well it's the most likely way the bigger teams bag bigger points, and is a bit more realistic. But.. the way it currently stands is the way it will be if that happen, as the way the FIFA Rankings points system is structured, now that we are in a knockout stage, is that countries cannot lose points, only gain points. I'll still include the match by match points breakdown below though, but from what I gather, the only match that will drastically change anything in the pots is anything Tajikistan or Jordan can manage to do, and the result of Australia v Korea (whichever side wins should end up in 3rd, and therefore Pot 1) POT 1 - Japan, Iran, AustraliaPOT 2 - Korea, Qatar, SaudiPOT 3 - Iraq, Uzbekistan, UAEPOT 4 - Oman, Jordan, BahrainPOT 5 - China, Syria, PalestinePOT 6 - Tajikistan, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan
In contrast, the rankings prior to the Asian Cup would have had this as the pots: POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Korea POT 2 - Australia, Saudi, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, China, Bahrain POT 5 - Jordan, Syria, Vietnam POT 6 - Krygyzstan, Palestine, India Obviously this is only taking the rankings into account, and not the actual group structure of the WCQ, As I'm assuming that there is some match ups that will prevent all the top 18 reaching the next stage solely based off the current FIFA Rankings favourites EDIT: Which I am now going to do. So below is the pots above, but using the groupings for qualifying - POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Australia/Korea POT 2 - Australia/Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, Jordan, Bahrain POT 5 - China, Syria, Palestine POT 6 - India, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam MATCH BY MATCH BREAKDOWNQUARTER FINALS
Tajikistan defeats Jordan = 22.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan = 17.08 pts
Tajikistan defeats Jordan in penalties = 12.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan in penalties = Jordan 7.08 pts, Tajikistan 2.92 pts
Australia defeats Korea = 19.65 pts
Korea defeats Australia = 20.35 pts
Australia defeats Korea in penalties = Australia 9.65 pts, Korea 0.35 pts
Korea defeats Australia in penalties = 10.35 pts
Iran defeats Japan = 20.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran = 19.01 pts
Iran defeats Japan in penalties = 10.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran in penalties = Japan 9.01 pts, Iran 0.99 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan = 17.21 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar = 22.79 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan in penalties = Qatar 7.21 pts, Uzbekistan 2.79 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar in penalties = 12.79 pts
SEMI-FINALS
Obviously the points change, so I'm going to use the assumption that in the quarters the favourites all win before penalties in the calculating the next scenarios (which essentially means a repeat of 2011)
Australia defeats Jordan = 10.76 pts
Jordan defeats Australia = 29.24 pts
Australia defeats Jordan in penalties = Australia 0.76 pts, Jordan 9.24 pts
Jordan defeats Australia in penalties = 19.24 pts
Japan defeats Qatar = 13.8 pts
Qatar defeats Japan = 26.2 pts
Japan defeats Qatar in penalties = Japan 3.8 pts, Qatar 6.2 pts
Qatar defeats Japan in penalties = 16.2 pts
FINAL
Australia defeats Japan = 22.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia = 17.6 pts
Australia defeats Japan in penalties = 12.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia in penalties = Japan 7.6 pts, Australia 2.4 pts SK , China, Thailand are in the same group. 1 of them won't make the next round I know I wrote a lot in the post, but I did already allude to that Thanks so much for putting in the hours on this mate, it makes it very clear....
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+x+x+x+xOk, so I was going to look at those remaining in the Asian Cup and how this can affect the rankings leading into the next stage of WCQ assuming that 'favourites' (by FIFA Ranking) win without penalties - which means Japan defeats Australia in the final, will look like this AFTER the Asian Cup., with points breakdowns etc. The reason why I have gone for this is because.. well it's the most likely way the bigger teams bag bigger points, and is a bit more realistic. But.. the way it currently stands is the way it will be if that happen, as the way the FIFA Rankings points system is structured, now that we are in a knockout stage, is that countries cannot lose points, only gain points. I'll still include the match by match points breakdown below though, but from what I gather, the only match that will drastically change anything in the pots is anything Tajikistan or Jordan can manage to do, and the result of Australia v Korea (whichever side wins should end up in 3rd, and therefore Pot 1) POT 1 - Japan, Iran, AustraliaPOT 2 - Korea, Qatar, SaudiPOT 3 - Iraq, Uzbekistan, UAEPOT 4 - Oman, Jordan, BahrainPOT 5 - China, Syria, PalestinePOT 6 - Tajikistan, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan
In contrast, the rankings prior to the Asian Cup would have had this as the pots: POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Korea POT 2 - Australia, Saudi, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, China, Bahrain POT 5 - Jordan, Syria, Vietnam POT 6 - Krygyzstan, Palestine, India Obviously this is only taking the rankings into account, and not the actual group structure of the WCQ, As I'm assuming that there is some match ups that will prevent all the top 18 reaching the next stage solely based off the current FIFA Rankings favourites EDIT: Which I am now going to do. So below is the pots above, but using the groupings for qualifying - POT 1 - Japan, Iran, Australia/Korea POT 2 - Australia/Korea, Saudi Arabia, Qatar POT 3 - Iraq, UAE, Uzbekistan POT 4 - Oman, Jordan, Bahrain POT 5 - China, Syria, Palestine POT 6 - India, Kyrgyzstan, Vietnam MATCH BY MATCH BREAKDOWNQUARTER FINALS
Tajikistan defeats Jordan = 22.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan = 17.08 pts
Tajikistan defeats Jordan in penalties = 12.92 pts
Jordan defeats Tajikistan in penalties = Jordan 7.08 pts, Tajikistan 2.92 pts
Australia defeats Korea = 19.65 pts
Korea defeats Australia = 20.35 pts
Australia defeats Korea in penalties = Australia 9.65 pts, Korea 0.35 pts
Korea defeats Australia in penalties = 10.35 pts
Iran defeats Japan = 20.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran = 19.01 pts
Iran defeats Japan in penalties = 10.99 pts
Japan defeats Iran in penalties = Japan 9.01 pts, Iran 0.99 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan = 17.21 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar = 22.79 pts
Qatar defeats Uzbekistan in penalties = Qatar 7.21 pts, Uzbekistan 2.79 pts
Uzbekistan defeats Qatar in penalties = 12.79 pts
SEMI-FINALS
Obviously the points change, so I'm going to use the assumption that in the quarters the favourites all win before penalties in the calculating the next scenarios (which essentially means a repeat of 2011)
Australia defeats Jordan = 10.76 pts
Jordan defeats Australia = 29.24 pts
Australia defeats Jordan in penalties = Australia 0.76 pts, Jordan 9.24 pts
Jordan defeats Australia in penalties = 19.24 pts
Japan defeats Qatar = 13.8 pts
Qatar defeats Japan = 26.2 pts
Japan defeats Qatar in penalties = Japan 3.8 pts, Qatar 6.2 pts
Qatar defeats Japan in penalties = 16.2 pts
FINAL
Australia defeats Japan = 22.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia = 17.6 pts
Australia defeats Japan in penalties = 12.4 pts
Japan defeats Australia in penalties = Japan 7.6 pts, Australia 2.4 pts SK , China, Thailand are in the same group. 1 of them won't make the next round I know I wrote a lot in the post, but I did already allude to that Thanks so much for putting in the hours on this mate, it makes it very clear.... Well, you know what they say about public servants working from home... :Whistling:
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