Eh, people on the sidelines (a lot of the time) can't even fathom us not raising our flag until the offside player actually does something to warrant being offside (in comparison to other players who are onside and can play the ball).

+ I hate how the linesman can’t raise his flag until the play ends even if the player is two meters offside. Every player knows it’s a dead play..

So stupid.. we have wasted half a decade of good football with this garbage. 

Get rid of it - it’s done enough damage. It doesn’t suit a free flowing sport like football.

its madness that goals are disallowed because someone somewhere guesses when the pass is made and adds imaginary lines to show a player is 1mm offside. Absolutely crazy that we allowed this stupid thing in our game.

Correction, it's the clowns who *wanted* it

As most people say, VAR is not the problem, it's the clowns using it.

That’s a very good point imo as well…..

Muz not sure your a Optus sport subscriber But for the epl many times at HT with Owen and the other ex playing comm guests there is actually many times over VAR decisions or calls a cross over to another ex top retired ref explaining the break down of the slow motion replay and why the decision was made.
This has been going on for sometime because of the usual controversy etcetc so it’s good to hear the understanding why.

Well, seeing as though I'm a fan of celebrating a goal when it actually happens in real time, I can live without VAR.

I have experience hosting panels as a uni project, jussayin 

Start a thread up called 'Ask a ref' and we can all have a crack at various match incidences as they come up during the year.

He's a seppo so of course he gets grief simply for being American from overseas idiots but he knows his stuff.

And if you go against what he's saying and explain why or ask a question in the comments he's very respectful. Seems like a nice bloke.

I just wish they'd occasionally say something like 'great advantage by the ref there' or 'great call that he just made there, that we're now seeing in slow motion'.

Just anything like that would be good. Instead it's farking crickets.

I remember watching the NRL GF last year. The ref has to make his call and only if it's obviously wrong do they overturn him in the bunker. He made about 8 decisions from when they went over for a try or an incident that was challenged and got EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. THEM. RIGHT and not once did the flogs commentating say 'well done there'.

So it's not just football that suffers from these talking bonces behind the mike that don't have a clue.

Love that guy

Well getting someone on that knows the laws has definitely got merit. That's something I'd like to see too. I'd imagine costs to have a ref sitting there on the off chance something needs checking would be cost prohibitive for a budget set up like the A League but I see the EPL coverage has an ex ref on the panel sometimes.

I know you're saying you don't want a written report but a browse through the first 10 comments on any incident on FB or IG and 7 of them will blokes calling for an inquiry, a royal commission and a crucifixion.

I follow some blokes on IG that have good ref content. There's an American bloke that goes by the name refsneedlovetoo. He's quite good with bringing up the laws and quoting from them to explain what's going on if that sort of thing floats your boat.

This lad.  https://www.instagram.com/refsneedlovetoo/

Here's an example. https://www.instagram.com/p/C6cIQFHuYBh/

I'm not sure about in depth reporting especially for public eyes. If we could get past breaking up every sequence of play and build a culture of getting on with the game then hopefully people won't want to scrutinize every little thing. et refs focus on the big stuff and the little stuff is only every seen by fewer eyes anyway.

Yep, Terrible idea

Reports should only be for those who need to see them.  ie those who are in charge of Referee Development and those who are in charge of Appointments

Same for Managers turning up a Pressers and calling them Cheats.  They get to submit reports that should be confidential, that's the place for setting out evidence of anything that really needs addressing.

Was more saying a report on any key decisions (cards, penalties, disallowed goals, etc) especially when there is VAR intervention. Not so much a report about the refs performance on the day.
What am I chasing is a better knowledge of the rules, interpretations, etc from the refs point of view. We rarely get to hear from them at the professional level. On a side note, I actually think it's a bit of a shame we never see them go into the media side of things after retirement. They clearly love the game. Have plenty of knowledge. Have incredibly thick skin. A ref with a bit of personality could make a fantastic commentator.  
Often times as fans our frustrations are based in ignorance. We may not know the intricacies of a certain rule. Maybe a rule has changed slightly and we were unaware. Simple report stating why a red card was given or overturned would be beneficial to many of us.

Why?

Exactly what are you chasing? Something to belt the referee over the head with for his 'error'.

'Look, I knew that FK should have gone the other way, that's why my team (insert name here) was dudded'.

Assessments and reports of referees performances are usually geared around positioning, correct interpretations, consistency, player and situation management.

Not, 'at the 25th minute you let a tug of the shirt go when at the 18th minute you blew a FK, why?'. 

here's some intel I read from one of the UK football forums I frequent talking about those running VAR incl the FA for eg over there and this helps to cover what someguyfc asked re what occurs OS you bolded NCB.....

       "Right, so what happened was that originally, referees were classed as amateurs and they just got a match fee from the FA. They usually held down other jobs at the same time as being referees.   When the PL started this arrangement continued, but as the sums in football got bigger and bigger, it was decided to professionalise referees in 2001. But because the FA is a charity and it would have a conflict of interest in both setting the exams to pass and employing the referees, they set up an external company called "Professional Game Match Officials Ltd" (PGMOL) which is contracted to provide professional officiating services to the Premier League and EFL.   Their accounts are filed at Companies House, but there's no visibility in terms of who they ultimately report to, other than the FA. We know they have dialogue with clubs, but this seems to be informal and limited at best, rather than set out in any clear terms.   The only oversight is from the FA, but we don't actually know what that oversight amounts to because nobody will tell us."

So someguyfc hence I presume why this is on the EPL FA AGM agenda.
Even there the Clubs are in the dark re reports and the PGMOL is protected as well.
By the way for those familiar with UK officials main guy in the PGMOL is Howard Webb long time EPL ref.

Good input so far guys why I wanted to start the thread with the smart folk in here even though its been done toi death but now its bubbling to the top in the biggest league.. 

Could talk about this for hours but I won't.

I hate, absolutely hate, when VAR gets involved when no one has even appealed. If you go looking for a foul you'll find one.


But anyway the reason we have it was because people couldn't accept the refs made mistakes and everyone from the average fan to the players, commentators, pundits and managers screamed 'WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, WHY DON'T WE USE IT!!!!'

If you can work out a way to stop that then sure, get rid of VAR. 

Well agreed on everything there.
as for referee reports - I'm only basing this off NPL level here, but reports generally only exist for when issuing a red-card, or other extreme circumstances. We also do a self-assessment, but not sure if this would be the case at A-League level, but that would be the closest thing. These self-assessments are more centred around the following:

• Things we felt we did well during the match
• Things we felt we did poorly and could improve on
• Behaviour and attitude of the players
• Behaviour and attitude of the technical area
• Behaviour and attitude of the fans/parents (really only applicable at grassroots level)

Yep pretty much. It's the absolute minute things like mm offsides, accidentally stepping on an opponent's foot that leads to a red and a player gets a red for turning quickly and poking their opponent in the eye. 

Players have also milked it more. If they go down hurt they know there will be a check and refs oblige when nothing would've happened 10 years ago. There's a lot more open sole or stomping these days. 

Those who are completely against VAR will be the first to moan if something goes against their team once it's removed. The pundits and journalists who spend their entire post game angle on referee calls are just bad at their job and can't talk tactics or football. Get rid of VAR then get ready for more injustice ala Grosso, Henry, Lampard. And no, football emotion isn't built on big mistakes. 

Very much in complete agreement with every above jc....  well said.

If top of the pile Epl drops it the others should too. Would save some bucks for AL if dropped here.
no way fifa will remove it from Euros/Wcup though 

I think for many it's the implementation not the principle that is the problem. We all want a fair competition. I think in general the problem is that VAR trying to do way too much.
I think most people are fine with certain things. If the on-field ref gives a straight red, I'm fine for the VAR to confirm it. If the on-field ref points to the spot, I'm fine for the VAR to confirm it. Both of those are major decisions and refs are human. There is usually plenty of stoppage during those scenarios anyway. If a player throws an errant elbow that connects with the face of an opposition player away from play and the on-field refs miss it because they are focused on where the ball is, this would be an example of good use of VAR.
I feel it's all the minor technical and interpretation rubbish that the fans (and players/coaches) hate. If a goal scorer was 2mm offside and the linesman doesn't pick it up, I don't want VAR to intervene. As a fan I'd rather have the 'you win some / you lose some' attitude to those situations. When it takes 4-5 minutes to decide whether some minor contact in the box was enough for a foul then it becomes more about interpretation rather than a erroneous initial decision. 
Maybe a time limit on VAR would be good idea. If a consensus cannot be reached within 60-90 seconds, then it's automatically play-on or decision upheld (depending on the scenario). Clear an obvious errors should be clear and obvious.
I'd also like to see a more open reporting of decisions. Not sure if they do it in other countries, but I don't see why Football Australia couldn't post the referees reports for each game. I'd be very surprised if some form of report doesn't already exist, don't see why it can't be made public.

World Cup does it well.  Everywhere else ....shit.

Get rid of it 

Media and fans have opened the can of worms on this, so... will need to reap what we sow I guess.

If I had my way (or if I ever somehow got to be a professional referee with VAR implemented), I would be very strict on the usage of "clear and obvious".
If a referee is called to the screen and can't be told in 15 seconds how it was a clear and obvious error they made, then it's obviously not clear and obvious.

Big end of season EPL AGM coming up.......this could influence many leagues IF they drop it OR what becomes improving it.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/epl-news-2024-premier-league-teams-to-vote-on-scrapping-var-next-season-wolves-submission-latest-news-updates/news-story/f47585b391569edf6e8034760c48b68a
https://www.espn.com.au/football/story/_/id/40152426/premier-league-clubs-vote-scrapping-var-wolves-next-season