I know there is position clashes etc but you can build a good team for the future around these players. If only.

Anywho this season as pretty much killed all my passion for the club after it was reinvigorated at the start of the Edwards campaign.

Agree with you (probably again) and f1dave that this was an obvious problem with Ali Edwards' squad. Thought at the time we were skinny on passing players. He may have been naive enough to think that 1) his young players and in particular his sons could sort that and that 2) he could get Burns and McGarry going a bit more (and if not, could drop them a bit more for the younger brigade). None of which turned out.

It was also unfortunate for Edwards that Maclaren got the yips/didn't come up. Despite the problems you mention, Maclaren saw quite a bit of the ball in decent positions early in the season, but really struggled to turn his defender or get a good shot in on goal.

Burns and Glory in full damage control on SBS World News. Interview with both Burns and Lowe. Only caught it part way through. Burns saying that people who know him think differently of him compared to those he plays against.

SBS then cut to scene of Aloisi abusing Burns as he walks off. LOL.

Burns says he plays the game hard, trying to contribute to the team, competitive etc... , teams have turned their performance around at different times of the season so Glory can too. Lowe saying "Burns is top notch, joked about him being hard in training and has about six yellows from training too. Quite a long piece.

But still, get rid of them both and start afresh next year.

anyone who attended the fan forum on wednesday remember the name of the company glory have employed to find its new coach?

I would question based on not just the performance of Edwards's Glory team but also a number of other sides around this country (youth international teams in particular) whether it was that Edwards thought his boys would get the job done in midfield, or whether there is a fundamental flaw in the "football curriculum" style of 4-2-3-1 being promoted in this country.

I think there is a genuine belief that teams should deploy 2 deeply-positioned defensive midfielders to give the 3 attacking midfielders the "freedom" to lurk higher on the pitch and use their skills in more dangerous areas.

In reality, the best teams don't actually do this and will tend to only deploy 1 defensive midfielder who is also capable on the ball behind 2 guys who will get up and down the pitch and constantly get on the ball. The abundance of wing options in the team tends to enhance the likelihood that they were meant to be the "drivers" of the team under Ali, rather than merely the creators in the final 3rd.

Of course we all saw that the strategy just did not work because the wingers were receiving the ball in less than ideal positions and less often than required because of a lack of central midfielders... the problem was compounded by the presence of Ryan Edwards as the AM because he basically played the position in a defensive manner marking up on opposition playmakers and not really getting on the ball enough himself.

Compare the way MV, Brisbane, Adelaide or Heart play... they're all doing the same thing we're doing, but are (to varying levels) much better at it than we are. And in each case the difference is some combination of better central midfielders and the presence of a CF being willing to track back and link up with the midfield rather than merely being in the team as a goalscorer.

Wasn't there, but is it Sage Advice?

Bovs - I think you can have two deeper [note I didn't say deep] midfielders still, it's just that one of them has to be very proactive if the other is going to be a sheet anchor.

The problem for Glory is that Burns and McGarry don't really have the physical or technical attributes to play in that proactive role - maybe Steve is close but I think he too is beginning to suffer from tired legs. You really need a guy who can push further up and link play, and too often Burns and McGarry are both found far too deep to do that.

Also, Harnwell has applied for the Glory job.

I think that would be terrible. I love Jamie, he's a legend, but that's exactly why he shouldn't apply. He's not ready yet from a tactical point of view AND an experience point of view and will be sucked up into more Sage drama and ruin what could go onto be a decent career.

Needs more time with the W-League team and maybe coach one of the NPL sides for some experience.

And really, it looks like the corporate environment is pretty toxic, and if you're not hardened to that sort of thing, it can eat you up.

Please, no.

Coaching men is way worse than women. :shock:

He'll get chewed up and spat out faster than Edwards. But I guess he'll be able to lay a few punches on the way out. :lol:

But seriously, after seeing what Gombau has done for AU, that has to be the way to go.

Also, seeing what Arnold did for CCM with a good mix of local youth and experience, that is also the way to go.

When was the last time Glory dominated and won 5-1???? Watching AU now is a joy.

They were crap at the start of the seasn (but still beat Glory 3-1 in the first game) and now they are untouchable in some games.

But I have a sad feeling that Harnwell or Lowe are odds on to get the gig thanks to money saving Sage.

I'm waiting for the end of season whine about having to save money, letting players go and signing Harnwell or Lowe because they offer value for money (meaning they don't cost much but costs the club many times over in the long run).

Harnwell doesn't seem to fit the selection criteria for the coach position (contained in the presentation materials from the fan forum emailed out to members last night). States they are looking for an experienced coach with a track record that shows sustained success over time. Three seasons in the W League, only one of which could be said to be successful shouldn't meet this requirement.

Worryingly, one of the key responsibilities of the coach position is to:
"Support the reduction of the playing staff budget and playing staff number in accordance with directions from the CEO and the Club's Board".

How we are supposed to compete with clubs like Brisbane (how do they keep under the cap with Berisha, Miller, North, Franjic etc?) when we are not even going to meet the cap ourselves?

Although this was put up on the screen at the forum, it was impossible to read at that time or I'm sure there would have been questions.

Harnwell will still be an in-house promoting. Yes Sage's Glory/FW Glory but it's still under the same title.

I don't want him to get it. I wan't either the best foreign candidate we can hoodwink, or the best of the Aussies left that haven't taken up a FT position yet (eg Stubbins, Rudan).

Not Harnwell/Coyne.

Also in a 4-2-3-1 wingers aren't attacking mids and you can still have a #6 and a #8. Glory's problem is with three #6's (four if you include O'Neill) and really only one #8 (Cam)

Can't believe they're shifting the GFU/other FOTS based groups to the southern stand.

Somewhat crazily, because the Glory 500 reserved seats are in the way on the first tier, we'll be up in the second tier.

Brisbane keep under the cap because they a) barely have any room to move under it b)have a shallow first team.

Whereas Glory on the otherhand, had about a max of 26 at one stage.

So basically because they are a better run club than we are. Now it makes complete sense

I don't necessarily mind have a full squad. Part of that is because we're using the 3 NYL-pro contracts (Davies, Woodcock, O'Brien) and since 2/3 of those have worked rather well I think it's a good way to list manage having extra youth in the team outside the mandatory requirements in the first team's 23.

Makeche gone.



Edited by libertarian: 28/2/2014 07:42:05 PM

FMD

And Kenny Lowe does? It also mentions if there is failures, the coach must give good reasons for said failures. Once again I can't see how Kenny fits this part.

The main Criteria should read must come cheap. If not do not apply.

My observation:

GFU try to base themselves in the Shed in different parts and get bagged out or find tough opposition over a number of years. So they move.

GFU move to the front of the Shed, get good results but start getting bagged and find tough opposition. So they move again.

It seems as soon as they find it tough instead of bunking down and fighting for position they move on. God knows where they will go next if they find it tough in the South stand.

Edited by rockypigs: 28/2/2014 09:34:05 PM

FMD

Makeche the next Jukic

fucked up club.

https://soundcloud.com/thegloryguerillaspodcast/series-2-episode-21?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

Makeche gone...

This is soo dis-orientating...

Who went to the Glory Fan Forum?! I was growing in keen-ness but had a work shift and in reading the e-mail from the club about it, was pleased that those attended had answered all the questions I would hope would be asked to the details/nuances I had hoped - EXCELLENT!

But one of the responses from Brewer - They will take due diligence, learning from the past, won't appoint the coach till... 1 June!!! OMG, I wonder if some pricked up at that?! IMHO That seems too late - And that reminds, one question that wasn't listed, iirc, was the concern from many of us over player contracts being negotiated, squad being sorted, ALREADY and in danger of already being 'set' well before the new regime has been appointed??! IMHO Go through your process, that's fine, but it shouldn't need to take 6-7 fn months! And shouldn't be so as to set up the next regime for failure.

And IF it's going to be 'Lowe all along' then blow me fn down! What a fn joke that would be - waste of fn time. IMHO Lowe is starting to prove that he is NOT, the man for the job! The apathy grows through his initial comments to his latest ones and talk of his behaviour on the sidelines and other PR remarks are just tending towards the 'unprofessional'. It's the last thing this undisciplined, shambles of a squad, needs!

It's a growing mess, ever losing direction, confidence and belief. Yeah, some of that is a natural product of failure, but some of it's cultural, attached to the club and borne from the circumstances surrounding Edwards' departure and the lingering fall-out since. Not JUST the in-fighting, but that kind of 'apathy' and 'low morale'.

So many players NEED to go for the sake of the team, going forward.

Lowe's post-game remarks annoy further - Same old - 'We had 7 players Under 21 facing quality, experienced, players at Roar!' FFS! NO! NO! NO!

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Our TEAM, Our LINE UP, still has a spine, a core, of EXPERIENCE, so-called 'class', of Veterans, just like fn Roar, but NOT 'just-like' - CLEARLY - But they get the ESCAPE CLAUSE again, DO THEY Lowe?!

FFS - AT FAULT are NOT the young-ins, though, yes, O'Neill fluffed one (But what was worse, he or Gallas last week - O'Neill following Gallas example?!), but the fn awful centre midfield were GD fn awful again and who comprises that?!

Booo-urns! McGarry! And failed fn imports brought in by Lowe, like Sernas, Marinkovic etc!

Harold and Sidnei isolated again and they and the full backs left clueless, either through personal fault, wider tactics, lack of support from others or whatever! But the lofted balls in all night - fn infuriating and the only time we actually showed some patience we got punished via a Roar counter.

and AGAIN, no excuses, spine of:

Gallas, Burns, McGarry, Sernas, Marinkovic, Smeltz as too likes of Griffiths!!

Don't fn tell us that's inexperience, lacking the so-called quality and if so - well, squad shake up time!

G Damnit, we need a proper, higher level, class coach, who has the guts to run the wringer and really carry out the revamp this squad sorely needs. Ali Edwards was already well under way and the rug was pulled. Will it be second time lucky or have the club given up the ghost and given in to 'Jacob Burns FC'? Lowe is showing he likely doesn't have what it takes - yeah, he's right, he can only play with cattle he has - but he keeps starting McGarry over De Silva. His mid-season recruits have let him down, so far, too.

Start De Silva over McGarry next game, PLEASE! We need to build for next season, RIGHT NOW! And so grooming those, set for next season, RIGHT NOW, should be the goal? Not continuing to play likely/SHOULD BE off-season departures like McGarry and Burns (Smeltz and Gallas will be gone too, but we have little choice but to play them, given lack of options?), for instance!

Edited by GloryPerth: 1/3/2014 12:07:32 AM

Ooo just noticed we're now officially last.

We weren't altogether terrible against the Roar despite the scoreline... indeed I think that if we swapped McKay and Miller for Burns and Griffiths we probably would've dominated the game.

The difference between the 2 sides was Roar being able to constantly recycle possession, make probing attacks and if it's not getting through retreat and push into a different part of the pitch, and build up play so that their 3 forwards had the time to make useful runs rather than the only run available.

Yes the Brisbane attack probably had a little bit more quality than ours with Broich that bit better than Sidnei. But the gulf in class comes from that midfield... we just don't do *anything* in the middle of the park.

At least f1dave has got someone's attention now maybe he can use it to his advantage and fix things :-"