They posted a table at a previous Member's forum of the process (And to members via e-mail, I got one) and that is too where Brewer suggested the coach would be announced/sorted early June (Glad they've shown some flexibility there!)! IIRC, with that complicated table and process as organised and run by a consultancy firm 'IIRC' - IIRC they were from the UK even, had worked with football clubs before? Or were they local? Anyway, 'IIRC' an external third party HAVE been hired to undertake this process, but ofcourse the final decision still lays with the club.

Fair play to Glory, for atleast under doing a thorough process with apparent due diligence, let's hope the guidance is indeed wise and suitable to an ambitious A-League club moving forward in this ever more competitive league, so this club can become the next Brisbane Roar or atleast Adelaide United, Melbourne Victory or the like, rather than more ad-hoc fixes. I stay optimistic at this point!

Edited by GloryPerth: 30/3/2014 11:06:45 PM

Interesting ATE, surprised to not see more of these kinds of posts, though perhaps we did just I missed them earlier... but with all the doom and gloom past few months it's always the opportunity for we fans to formulate our best ways for the team on the park, moving forward.

Almost totally concur with your post, except some minor details - Clisby and O'Neill were excellent today and while they could be exposed against other opponents, they brought a very promising dimension to this side. Clisby's technique and capability on the overlap was a delight and O'Neill reflects the qualities of a modern CB indeed, even if he still on the smaller side. The 'tactical flexibility' of those two is important for not only this side going forward, but their first team opportunities - Jamieson will be back soon enough and that will naturally move Clisby back into the CB rotation. There is sounder logic than most of us know/are aware as to why Edwards 'envisioned' O'Neill at CB and given what we saw this arvo, he didn't disappoint?

Unfortunately DDS has since departed, but atleast we received very worthy remuneration for it - a pleasant change for this league!! Marinkovic, rightly or wrongly, seems 'the man' in that #10 possie going forward and next season will be his make or break. He and Griffiths are a legacy of Lowe we will have to suffice, but here I have hope/optimistism in Lowe's eye there and we already well know Griffiths' quality and while he's yet to show it proper, perhaps a good pre-season under a quality regime, may do that. As with Marinkovic and some others too, perhaps?

Edited by GloryPerth: 30/3/2014 11:18:28 PM

fraction of his talent? I like O'Neil and hope he gets more game time, but that's simply a ridiculous statement.

Not only that, but isn't O'Neil an out and out DM? Neither of the Edwards brothers are out and out DM's. And at JBFC, you don't see much of a run as a DM.

Edited by GloryB: 30/3/2014 11:22:53 PM

*sledges Cameron Edwards*

Hey Edwards, how does it feel to not have your daddy set up the team's game plan based on you and your style of play? Daddy's boy!

It worked for Lindsay and Andrew Gaze, not you and your bro :D

Coach Alistair->

I said Off season,FFS so stop with the crap.

how much game time did he give Duncan?

How much of a fair go did O'Neill and Clisby get?

Plenty game time for MD and RW as they were covering long term injuries to Risso and jamieson.

you can try and dress things up as much as you like but the plain facts are Ryan and Cameron were given much more game time than any other player outwith injury cover.

No Begbie, this is old ground and you know you've been beaten on these same points before. We've gone over it repeatedly and you are wrong, and everyone else in this thread knows it. We are not going to rehash these beliefs so that you can one day bore us all into not responding so that you can then make a meaningless claim of victory when decent people can't be stuffed copy-pasting the old arguments and ignore you.

You're the intellectual equivalent of a mud-bog, you offer nothing and just get people stuck in waste and this whole thread has been lessened by your presence. You offer nothing of value here.

As a neutral you really have an irrational hate complex for Edwards and his sons.As soon as Edwards became manager it was clear he favoured youth in his team.This was prior to signing his sons.Davis,Clisby,McLaren and Ryan Edwards all had a good run.Cameron far less,along with a few others.Other positions were dominated by experienced older players and experienced younger players .
I have no idea what you are suggesting the Perth lineup should have been.More age?If more youth.Which older players would you drop?Edwards tried to drop Burns.

Ferguson, Edwards, and Lowe have all dropped McGarry out of their side for periods too.

Fergie had his players that he played week in, week out.
Edwards had his players that he played week in, week out - and one happened to be his son Ryan.
Lowe has his players that he plays week in, week out.

It's a feature - and in many cases justifiable criticism - of all managers.

And the son he played was the one who belongs to a Championship div side, Cam only got spots off the pine by and large, so its not like he was blind as to who the talented one in the family was.

I am not the one rehashing old myths it is you guys, maybe you think if you repeat things long enough.........



for the last time (until someone tries to again claim different) at the start of the season edwards prefered 11 were

Vuka

Risden, Gallas, Twaite, Jaimieson
Mcgarry Burns, Redwards
Nagia, Smeltz, Sidnie



At team bursting with young local talent?

Bench????

There's five players you left out.

Spence, De Silva, Cedwards, Clisby, Zahra.

Young enough???

#-o

Gallas wasn't there at the start of the season, either... I feel it's also important to note that Edwards backed young players from the youth team to replace senior guys, rather than play another senior guy out of position. Granted it was questionable to retrain O'Neil as a CB, but he committed to that from the pre-season and we can judge it on its merit.

And Risdon the Bunbury boy ain't exactly grey-haired.

Yes Gallas wasn't there as Ali signed that West Aussie youngster Ljubo Milicevic didn't he?


Risdon, would that be Fergies signing?

Yep, and going after Ljubo was a silly risk and was always going to be a gamble if not a disaster.

Hey, I can look at something from two perspectives! Thought I'd share this novel discovery with you Begbie, there's a whole other dimension in here!

Of course things aren't one dimesional, that's what I am trying to tell you. Just because people on here believe Ali was doing it all for WA youngsters the reality is he was not, no matter what window dressing you try.

lol



I see where you come from, but he DID finally give Clisby a few starts, back end of his initial interim gig, as too DDS a few appearances around that time. O'Neill featured alot in pre-season, albeit, yes, at CB. O'Neill didn't feature under Edwards during his f/t tenure and that may or may not have been due to Cameron Edwards (Never mind those old folks McGarry and what's that guy's name - it Burns my mind!)!! Edwards still laid the groundwork if you like and just their still being there is a legacy of Edwards' regime, where if it were Fergie, Mitch or that ilk they'd have arguably already departed!

Granted with the full backs too, BUT - CONTEXT - Fergie and co's back ups to the full backs etc.. were the likes of Dean Heffernan. This is where Edwards starkly differed and this is the core of it - while it some of the changes may not have been immediately apparent or impacting, it was more clear as day looking at the wider squad and the wider squad equalled the immediate rotation. And THAT'S it - where before the best the ONLY 2-3 boys under 22 in the squad could hope for was NYL, now they were first cab off the rank - I knew before it even happened, looking at the squad and even queried it - Davies and Woodcock were our only clear and obvious back-ups, deputies, to Jamieson and Risdon, post the clear out and that's come to roost through experience - our bad luck losing both our #1 FBs for periods but plenty of opportunity came much sooner for the 'deputies' than even Edwards' would've expected.

Where before, even Glory's rotation was filled with veterans and eastern states boys like Heffernan (Who was even utilised by Fergie upfront!!), Zahra (Still there) and many others, now it's populated with more local young talent than we've ever seen and that seems set to remain for the time being and further more this club is finally attracting and even securing our best young talent in this state and that's further reflected by our bountiful rewards for DDS, after snapping him up early, giving him that early chance and now we reap the big reward when Europe finally/inevitably came calling again. Heck, the last time Glory saw that kind of transfer offer, LET ALONE for a local young talent, was way back Ivan Ergic days perhaps?!

Edited by GloryPerth: 31/3/2014 11:40:44 PM

What of the eras before Edwards? Coming from that base - it was literally a revolution and it was inpart due to that rapid change and how he was exacting that - including the manner of Pantalidis' departure - that was one of the main triggers for the usurpers.

Yeah, it may 'seem' we over-state the youth revolution a little or perhaps give him too much credit... though he wasn't the in the job long enough to really kick into gear, it was already becoming a squad of his making. And again, wider squad depth - all the back ups, are youngsters, most of them, young locals. That's the change. He and even Lowe, have faith in the young talent to come in and do the job, should the Jamieson's, Smeltz's, Gallas', Vukovic's etc... be absent. Mitch, Fergie era, this just couldn't be the case, given O'Neill and his 1-2 fellow West Aussies under 23 in the squad, never looked like getting a look in and that's why Jesse Makarounas left in a huff.

Reversing that trend is what Edwards and now Lowe (And Glory thankfully now), seek to do. It's been a long time coming, but, instigated by Edwards, Glory are now on board with bringing through the top local young talent, for once in forever!

Also, it's logical that the core line up, XI, was still largely experienced, proven, pros and, 'fully fit' Glory's XI under Edwards was still largely 'all pros' - Smeltz, Sidnei, Nagai, McGarry, Burns, Jamieson, Thwaite, Gallas, Risdon, Vukovic. Yeah, the only spot free was AM and instead of DDS he went for Ryan Edwards... But that's hardly a 'young' team either, is it? But it would've been foolish and unnecessary to clear out any further or more baby out with the bathwater that time - it's only evident now how the form/standard of Smeltz, Burns, McGarry and some others have dropped and the new regime will need to assess and respond to that. But again, plenty of opportunities for MacLaren (Smeltz), Harold (Nagai), Davies and Woodcock (FBs), Clisby and co during this season and that's due to the squad that Edwards largely formed...

... that was the purpose of his design.

Edited by GloryPerth: 31/3/2014 11:51:55 PM

But the process was already in place before Edwards


Risdon
Jamieson
O'Neill
Clisby
Harold
Zarah

all brought in by Ferguson


add to that other young players added but now left

Maketchi
Makarounus
Nagai
Italiano


but people will never give in to the idea that Ferguson was reducing the squads average age as per Hatt review.

He also signed Dodd, Mehmet, Smeltz, Miller, Pantelidis, Van de Brink and let Taggart, Makarounas, Babalj and Neville go.

I don't think it was unreasonable to let Neville go. I think we all rate him but he'd fallen behind Risdon in the pecking order, wanted more money and was too good to be a squad player. Better for him and probably the club. Opened up a spot for Davies.

Wouldn't you have liked to keep Miller?

I really do tend to agree that it's a bit of a myth that Ali Edwards was trying to build a first-team full of youngsters.

A much younger squad? Yes. A younger first team? No. Of the youngsters to get a go this season Davies and Woodcock only really got games because Risdon and Jamieson were out injured. Maclaren also probably wouldn't have started many games under AE if Smeltz had started the season fit. Where there was an actual choice between a youngster and an older player, the older players tended to win out (Burns vs O'Neill, Pantelidis vs Clisby, Sidnei vs Zahra, Vukovic vs Duncan, and even you could argue REdwards vs DDS.... all examples of experience tending to have won out over youth under AE).

Of course, one could imagine that by the end of the season those youngsters might've worked their way into the first-team under Edwards. But that's not the point. The point is that it's not like Lowe came in and DROPPED all the youngsters and that's why we started losing... in fact a number of youngsters have probably got a better look-in under KL.




It seems after initial scepticism that maybe Glory have a better chance of making a good coaching appointment for next season than we initially judged... 4 foreign candidates still being considered (originating from Spain, England and Serbia I believe?) and Sage has suggested he is *not* involved in the selection process, which is being run independently as we knew but apparently by a panel of "football people" including Mark Bosnich.

If this information is genuine and Sage is going to back in the recommendations of football people not tied to the club, it's A) unusual but also B) positive and gives me hope that we might get a capable international coach. Of course... on past form even if Glory gets the appointment right something will blow up mid season again and the wheels will fall off for the 10th time in 10 seasons.

Of the 6 'older players' you name the only one you could possibly argue against not improving the club playing stock would be Travis Dodd,

The others all added considerable quality, even Pants who could and did play many positions.

Smeltz all time A-League goal scorer, Van dev Brink excellent CB, Memhet power up front and Miller head and shoulders above any other player Glory has ever had and oh how we miss him now.

Taggart and Neville were both offered new contracts but chose to leave, Makarounus's performances for the youth team (and I saw many) did not warrant first team selection and he has yet to make any impact in melbourne.

Babalj was never let go by Fergie, this another one of the urban myths that get used alot by Glory fans., He was a Glory youth player whilst still at school and moved to Australian Institutue of Sport long before Fergie ever took over, after finishing 'Uni" he decided to move to Melbourne.

Perth Glory coaching selection panel:

Two advisory board,
Jason Brewer,
2 former players ( 1 confirmed Bozza),
Sports executive recruitment group
An independent

Why would you need Brewer plus two board members? Especially in light of Sage saying the other day, "what would I know about picking a coach?"


Surely you would let the independent body draw up very short list and then present top 3 recommendations to the board based on what their requirements were?

The People's Game this week, wearing the gold and black?

Did anyone pre-order this strip per the mention in Glory Fanatical email not long ago?
Or more to the point, has anyone pre-ordered and will receive it by Saturday?
The cynic in me says the match was deferred a week or so in case no new strips turned up, but who knows - or cares.

It'll be purple as usual for me and dress-up number 13 out of 13 home games.
[That alas became my goal for the season pretty early on unfortunately, that and blending unnoticed back into the Northbridge crowd after each game]

There was a bloke wearing the new gold&black in the grandstand at Sundays match, so it must be available.

I've had it in Kalgoorlie for two days now. It's definitely available. The quality is pretty good. One thing I can't fault Glory on this year is the kits.

It's lighter than the normal home kit that I have. That one has the plastic like logos, sponsors and such printed on it. I think this one is sublimated? All of the printing is 'in' the material.

Just be aware - on my XL, the neck and arms feel a little tighter, though the sizing seems the same otherwise.

Have they said how many of the new shirt they've ordered?

I don't buy into the whole "Ljubo was a risk" thing. He's a proven HAL CB (one of the best) and was a great return signing for Perth IMO. It wasn't his fault that he saw the Burns/Sage/Edwards thing unfolding, and when he brought it up as a problem no one would listen to him. And the club are quite clearly paying for the mess now, and still will be. None of it was Ljubo's fault.