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[size=8]Plans to transform Canberra sporting venues[/size]  This proposal to create a unique sporting precinct at Bruce would cost $300-$350 million.  An artist's impression of what a fully redevelopment Manuka Oval could look like. The proposal would cost $70-$100 million. Canberrans are being urged to have their say on the future of Manuka Oval and Canberra Stadium. A number of master plan options have been unveiled for the two sporting facilities. The proposals for Canberra Stadium include upgrading the existing complex to include extra seating and a new roof for the west, south and east stands. The Manuka Oval proposals involve rebuilding existing stands and expanding the venue. Another option is to build a new 40,000 seat stadium alongside Canberra Stadium for rugby and soccer. Under this option AFL and cricket games would be moved from Manuka Oval to a refurbished Canberra Stadium. Manuka Oval would then be transformed into a community ground. But the proposals come with hefty price tags. The ideas for Canberra Stadium would cost between $60 million and $350 million while the Manuka Oval proposals would cost $10 - $100 million. Sports Minister Andrew Barr says the Government's preferred option is to build a new stadium at Bruce but it will depend on funding arrangements with the Commonwealth and private sector. "It would mean the ACT could comfortably host AFL matches, cricket matches of international status as well as providing a world class home for the Raiders and the Brumbies and an A-League team in future competitions," he said. Mr Barr says the proposals would ensure Canberra can host world-class sporting events into the future. "Major sporting events are important because they not only provide great entertainment for the people of the ACT, they also attract thousands of visitors from interstate, helping to support local tourism operators and local tourism jobs," he said. Canberrans have until late June to comment on the proposals. Improvements welcome The Canberra Raiders say they would welcome the construction of a new stadium at Bruce for rugby league and other codes. Raiders chief executive Don Furner says a new stadium would help attract more fans and sponsors. "Canberra Stadium's a great stadium, our visiting teams that come here think it's great," he said. "Certainly now it's nearly 40 years old, certainly the west end is 40 years old, any improvement can help spectator comfort, can help with the sponsorship and can help the team when the facilities get better would be a great improvement and I know our team would love it." http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009 ... tion=sport
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Canberra - a 2015 Asian Cup venue?
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I love the name - Manuka Oval!!! :lol:
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I wouldn't hold your breath, money is tight....
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GloryPerth
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This is coming from the Govt. though and the Brumbies are leading the push as they're keen for a bigger and better venue too, obviously. The ACT govt. are obviously keen for these things (Unlike *Cough* SA and WA govts.), because it makes Canberra more attractive if we get A-League sides there (Hence their partial funding of the A-League bid) and their looking into these stadium ideas.
Canberra is unique too, as obviously they have the A.I.S. so these developments as it seems, might relate to the AIS and it's needs too?
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LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, HOPE WA AND SA GOVERNMENTS FOLLOW...
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Canberra will almost certainly be a World Cup venue, this announcement is definitely part of the WC Bidding plan.
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Benjamin
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I believe the phrase I am looking for sounds something along the lines of "clucking Bess"
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schimch
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love it, the bid will benifit from this IMO
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Pretty big BUMP, but: Quote:It is believed the proposed venues will include two new stadiums -- in Sydney's west at Campbelltown and in Canberra.
The other venues will be at existing grounds in Perth (at Subiaco Oval), Adelaide Oval, Geelong (Skilled Stadium), the Gold Coast Stadium, Newcastle, Townsville, the Sydney Football Stadium, and Brisbane's Suncorp Stadium, which will all require substantial multi-million-dollar facelifts. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/world-cup-bid-still-needing-a-home-for-its-finale/story-e6frg7mf-1225862763904Edited by Proud2BeCanberran: 6/5/2010 09:34:25 PM
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isn't this a bit old, i thought they proposed a new stadium last year or the year b4?
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i would prefer it to look more like this 
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:i would prefer it to look more like this Jizz :cool:
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Benjamin
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:i would prefer it to look more like this Most of that is fantastic, but I think the far end is bloody hideous. This...  Much better.
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lol guys those stadiums are WAY overlarge for Canberra/ACT region's market, then again, they ARE proposing a 40k venue, which isn't far off some of those stadiums.
They new stadium doesn't need to be soo expensive or elaborate, but indeed it does need to be of a decent standard, as meeting FIFA's minimum requirements, as too that Canberra's codes require, post WC.
I think you can see in the above proposal, it may be something of a more simple plan/design, but it depends whether it's on the $60M or $350M end of that scale.
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WC and AC bids aside. A good stadium in Canberra is crucial for future WC qualifing matches in the future. Even though Canberra isn't the biggest city, I think the FFA need to be more cunning in the placement of WCQs. In June/July, Canberra is below zero degrees in the evening. Imagine a team coming from a middle eastern summer straight into a Canberra winter for a match.
Other nations do it to us, so it is about time we are a little smarter and a little bit more cunning in the placement and timing of our future WCQs.
Of course, the same can also be said about tropical Townsville in the right circumstances.
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Benjamin
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spado wrote:WC and AC bids aside. A good stadium in Canberra is crucial for future WC qualifing matches in the future. Even though Canberra isn't the biggest city, I think the FFA need to be more cunning in the placement of WCQs. In June/July, Canberra is below zero degrees in the evening. Imagine a team coming from a middle eastern summer straight into a Canberra winter for a match.
Other nations do it to us, so it is about time we are a little smarter and a little bit more cunning in the placement and timing of our future WCQs.
Of course, the same can also be said about tropical Townsville in the right circumstances. =d> =d> =d> Too bloody right.
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Benjamin wrote:spado wrote:WC and AC bids aside. A good stadium in Canberra is crucial for future WC qualifing matches in the future. Even though Canberra isn't the biggest city, I think the FFA need to be more cunning in the placement of WCQs. In June/July, Canberra is below zero degrees in the evening. Imagine a team coming from a middle eastern summer straight into a Canberra winter for a match.
Other nations do it to us, so it is about time we are a little smarter and a little bit more cunning in the placement and timing of our future WCQs.
Of course, the same can also be said about tropical Townsville in the right circumstances. =d> =d> =d> Too bloody right. I agree whole heartedly with this propostion, extracting fair advantage is crucial to international success!
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IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this?
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Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? Shhhhhhh. Questions like that invalidate about 70% of our bid!
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Benjamin wrote:Gooner4life_8 wrote:i would prefer it to look more like this Most of that is fantastic, but I think the far end is bloody hideous. what are you on about, the far end is what makes it look awsome
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Just to let everyone know the stadium will be reduced down to around 27K after the world cup as said in an article when this first came out.
so pretty much perfect size for an a-league team, so there's at least one legacy that will come out of this because canberra stadium as is without a roof can't generate a great atmosphere unless there 20K there.
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A-League stadiums shouldn't be ranked on size, but on how they improve the outlook of their team.
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Benjamin wrote:Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? Shhhhhhh. Questions like that invalidate about 70% of our bid! There is only 1.5 million in Qatar. They will have 40,000 seater stadiums in towns with less than 40,000 people!
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Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? As Schmich said, it will be scaled back to the capacity suitable for the market. But tbh that whole stadium is as much for Rugby Union and League (Who are both screamed for a new stadium in that region) aswell as the prospects of hosting World Cup games, more Socceroos fixtures and even it's own A-League side, in the future. Earlier this decade the Brumbies (Super 15) were packing out Bruce Stadium when they went on to win the, then, Super 12. But don't underestimate the ACT region - The Canberra/Queanbeyan Urban Region currently has 450k people and is amongst the faster growing capital cities. By the time of this World Cup, if we get it, that population should be over half a million. And that is just the 'immediate region,' but as part of the wider Greater Southern NSW region, including the nearby Riverina region, totals 700k people or so. Also, the ACT govt. had a $1B proposal for a light rail scheme, though that was pre-GFC. And there HAVE been 'Very Fast Train/TGV' (Like the ones in Europe and Japan) proposals linking Sydney to Canberra. If such a connection was built it would be seen as the first stage of a High Speed Rail link between Sydney and Melbourne, with Canberra seen as a destination inbetween. tying to such proposals/ideas, are things like Sydney's urban sprawl concerns and the congestion at Sydney Airport. A second Airport has been/is in the planning I think, but at one stage Canberra's airport was mooted as a possible 'second airport for Sydney,' IF the airport was connected to Sydney via a TGV train. Such a train could travel from Canberra to SW Sydney/Wollongong and Sydney CBD, within 45 minutes or so. Heck, here's another recent proposal bringing up the proposed VFR Link between Sydney and Melbourne, again! http://www.theage.com.au/environment/greens-to-push-40bn-fastrail-link-to-sydney-20100422-tfvj.htmlIt's clear if/when Australia does get it's own TGV train, that a Sydney-Canberra route would be the first line established. Edited by GloryPerth: 7/5/2010 09:40:54 PM
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Let's not forget participation in football is growing at 9% per year according to the Sweeney report...the market is there and growing...what other sport in Australia is showing participation growth rates anywhere near 9%?
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Benjamin
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spado wrote:Benjamin wrote:Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? Shhhhhhh. Questions like that invalidate about 70% of our bid! There is only 1.5 million in Qatar. They will have 40,000 seater stadiums in towns with less than 40,000 people! The Qatari argument doesn't help as the Qatari bid is a joke.
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schimch
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 this is after it's reduced to 30K post world cup
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Also there was an article today in the Canberra times confirming that Canberra was one of the 12 stadium there was a lot of other stuff too, I'll post it when the article comes up on the canberra times
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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/lo ... torypage=1 Barr prefers one 'super' stadium BY CHRIS DUTTON 08 May, 2010 10:05 AM ACT Sport Minister Andrew Barr wants to overlook recommendations of the Canberra Stadium and Manuka Oval masterplan in favour of building one super stadium at Bruce. In a twist to the redevelopments of the capital's two venues, Barr said building a 30,000 seat multi-sport venue for cricket, AFL, soccer, rugby union and rugby league was his preferred option for a new sport hub. The masterplan commissioned by the ACT Government last year at a cost of $750,000 has four options to update Canberra's premier sporting grounds. However, a decision on which option will not be made until after December when FIFA rules on whether Australia will host the 2018 or 2022 World Cup. Australia has six days to finalise its bid and Canberra will be one of the 12 proposed tournament venues. Should either bid be successful, Barr wants a multi-sport stadium with moveable stands a similar design to ANZ Stadium in Sydney to be added to a list of possibilities for redesigning Canberra's sporting landscape. ''In an ideal world you'd have one 30,000 seat stadium with lights that could accommodate all of the codes in Canberra,'' Barr said. ''But to do that you need to be able to move the seating for it to be rectangular for some sports and an oval shape for others. ''But they do it [in Sydney], so you think they could do that with a smaller configuration of 30,000 seats that's the ideal outcome for Canberra, one great stadium. ''It would be the most cost-effective way.'' The current options vary from upgrading both venues to meet standards required by different codes, to a $350million overhaul of the Bruce precinct. That would involve turning Manuka Oval into a community ground while moulding Canberra Stadium into an oval to host AFL and cricket. A new rectangular stadium would then be built next door for rugby league, rugby union and soccer. Barr has not ruled out any option. Instead, he is waiting to hear if the developments will be jointly funded by the Commonwealth Government. Australia loses its World Cup bid, the Commonwealth Government is unlikely to help fund developments. The new multi-sport venue would need to have 45,000 seats to meet FIFA requirements. But Barr said that would be reduced to a 30,000 capacity after the World Cup. ''Whatever the case, we'll still be hosting matches at Manuka and Canberra Stadium for the rest of this decade unless we win the 2018 World Cup bid,'' Barr said. ''We need to have a look at the logistics of [the multi-sport stadium] and if you can have moveable seating or change the shape of the ground. ''It's not just about the World Cup, it's the legacy afterwards, we need to look at a design that can give us maximum flexibility. I know it's challenging to replace turf and have seats that move, but I don't think it's beyond the wit of our stadium designers.'' Barr has been negotiating with new AFL franchise, Team GWS, about hosting as many as four matches in the capital from 2012. He has also been talking to Cricket Australia about Canberra's possible inclusion in an expanded national Twenty20 competition. The longevity of both cricket and AFL in Canberra require a major upgrade at Manuka Oval with an increased capacity and lights or revamping the Bruce precinct. For more on this story, pick up a print copy of today's Canberra Times
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Barr is a terrible sports minister.. dont think he is even interested in sport.. the way he spat the dummy after the last a-league license was granted was unprofessional aswell
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Andrew Barr is an idiot ( non football supporter ) full stop.... We need a rectangular stadium. I dont have the inclination or the literate talents to dissect what this imbecile says. Read my avatar Barr
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schimch
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You can't doubt Barr's commitment to football though here IMO
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schimch
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Also just noticed on the pic, that the second tiers post downsize are at the ends which is good IMO
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ANZ is barely big enough for AFL, and they only use it as a novelty for cricket.
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schimch wrote:You can't doubt Barr's commitment to football though here IMO I disagree... he is an idiot... see here http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/act-shelves-world-cup-support/1659991.aspx?storypage=0
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Barr understands that with the GWS team coming on board, Canberra has a chance to have a similar deal like Tasmania, with three or four games per annum, and that won't be achieved via the use of Manuka.
So he really has to leave that option open, of a multi-use stadium (which Bruce used to be before Carnell pissed $100 million up the wall just to get a few games of Olympic soccer - all of which were duds.
The other thing he is weighing up is that the WC bid is unlikely to be successful, that means zero Federal funding.
Once you remove the federal funding - what choice is the ACT left with?
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Mister Football wrote:Barr understands that with the GWS team coming on board, Canberra has a chance to have a similar deal like Tasmania, with three or four games per annum, and that won't be achieved via the use of Manuka.
So he really has to leave that option open, of a multi-use stadium (which Bruce used to be before Carnell pissed $100 million up the wall just to get a few games of Olympic soccer - all of which were duds.
The other thing he is weighing up is that the WC bid is unlikely to be successful, that means zero Federal funding.
Once you remove the federal funding - what choice is the ACT left with? I'm sorry bout how do you know the bid likely to be unsuccessful? The bookmakers whose job it is to make money off betting on things seem to think that we are in with a better chance that all but the England bid, and that's just for 2018, and then there's 2022 for which we are front runners. How about you STFU, Grow up, and stop being such a 'big man' coming on a football forum and talking about AFL and your "600,000" members. Your sport is so minor in this wide world that if you go anywhere else in the world and ask them about it they wouldn't know what it is. For fucks sake some people on the NSW north coast and people don't know shit about it. Grow up On the note of the stadium. The Brumbies deserve an upgraded stadium and i think even if it is just the 5k extra after the world cup then so be it, but people are talking about downgrading after the world cup, its 12 years away! who knows if we will need to down grade the stadiums? I can talk from personal experience with EAS in Newcastle that they will upgrade to 33k and then when we get the world cup it will be upgraded to 45 with temporary seating. I would like to see them just pump it up to 45k permanently and it will be used as Newcastle grows and the sports that use it grow. its 12 years people, think of how far we have come in 5, i think that in another 12 we will need bigger stadiums Edited by Blackmac79: 9/5/2010 09:18:10 AM
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Just for the record this 600,000 members claim by Mister football is a myth...in the AFL you can sign your pet up as a member for a nominal fee, you can also buy 2 and 3 game memberships...for example you can buy a membership in Tasmania to go and see the 2 or 3 or 4 games Hawthorn play there each season.
And why do Hawthorn play in Tassie? Because they desperately need the cash...why do AFL clubs sell home games if they are so successful?
As per usual, what Mister Football states as fact, doesn't quite bear up to closer scrutiny....
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Yeh i knew about Hawthorn.
and just flicking through yesterday and i saw a game at etihad.
I believe it was the bombers vs Port.
anyway looked emptier than most victory games did.
scared off maybe?
(EDIT: Just went to look up the crowd yesterday.... surprise, surprise... its not released! well done AFL hide the low ones)
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I did the same thing...the AFL website does not have crowds listed, nor do the AGE or the Herald Sun
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yep. the stadium, from the look of the tv broadcast would have been less than half full.
but no media picks up on this and slams it into the ground.
bias pricks
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Joffa and BlackMac
There are many things to choose from if you want to criticise the AFL.
But to choose memberships and attendances, I mean, honestly...
Joffa describes the 600,000 memberships claim as a myth, and then goes on to describe how they got there, i.e. obviously the number itself is not a myth!!
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
As I said, if you want to criticise something, steer clear of memberships and attendances - they are amongst the very, very best in the world.
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Swing and a miss there Mr Football
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Alf only gets better crowds than epl because the epl stadiums aren't big enough for demand
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Mister Football wrote:Joffa and BlackMac
There are many things to choose from if you want to criticise the AFL.
But to choose memberships and attendances, I mean, honestly...
Joffa describes the 600,000 memberships claim as a myth, and then goes on to describe how they got there, i.e. obviously the number itself is not a myth!!
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
As I said, if you want to criticise something, steer clear of memberships and attendances - they are amongst the very, very best in the world. Don't feed the troll
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Joffa wrote:Just for the record this 600,000 members claim by Mister football is a myth...in the AFL you can sign your pet up as a member for a nominal fee, you can also buy 2 and 3 game memberships...for example you can buy a membership in Tasmania to go and see the 2 or 3 or 4 games Hawthorn play there each season.
And why do Hawthorn play in Tassie? Because they desperately need the cash...why do AFL clubs sell home games if they are so successful?
As per usual, what Mister Football states as fact, doesn't quite bear up to closer scrutiny.... What are you saying? you can get memberships for Perth Glory where they don't even Include game day tickets at all.
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spado wrote:Benjamin wrote:Tommycash wrote:IS there enough people in Canberra to warrant this? Shhhhhhh. Questions like that invalidate about 70% of our bid! There is only 1.5 million in Qatar. They will have 40,000 seater stadiums in towns with less than 40,000 people! Wow. Why bid?
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Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being.
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Tommycash wrote:Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being. Well said! Alot of football fans follow several codes whether AFL, League, Union or even Cricket so I suggest moving on from this BS arguement. Obviously some people have to much time on there hands.
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Tommycash wrote:Joffa wrote:Swing and a miss there Mr Football Ummmmmm, Wait what? Don't be an idiot Joffa the man is 100% correct. The game with Hawthorn probably still had a ton of people compared to most A-league games. Theres a difference between being an AFL fantatic and a realist. You cannot argue that the AFL has one of the best average attendance figures in the world. Live with it you idiot. The A-league is awesome and Football is a great sport but so is AFL. Just because it has no International appeal it doesn't mean anything. The NFL is huge and is only in the USA. Nobody is dumb enough here to argue it's dominance of the US sport scene. Let's not Be close minded people because it's the very thing you all convict AFL people of being. Thanks for the insults, I would be interested for you to show where i commented on the AFL's attendances in a positive or negative way in this thread? I believe my only comment in that regard is that the attendance figures were not listed on the AFL, Herald Sun or Age websites. I think if you're looking to call people idiots you might need to look a bit closer to home. And as for my comments about the AFL membership figures...please indicate where exactly, I said something that was incorrect.
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Mister Football wrote:
With average attendances, they are around the 40,000 mark this year, higher than the EPL.
Every EPL team has its own stadium not some artificial central stadium... how many AFL teams have a waiting list?
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Come back Mister Fumbleball, we miss you...
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:i would prefer it to look more like this i love Seattle's stadium. \:d/ what's the stadium that Benjamin posted?
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AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all.
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Road_to_Victory wrote:AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all. Definately... i was shocked at the prices for AFL games when i heard it recently... also the point on stadiums is quite important... look at craven cottage... of course i doubt mr fumbleball will be back to this thread...
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Road_to_Victory wrote:AFL attendances are bloated rather largely by the fact that Melbourne based teams are generally fixtured to play each other twice. The MCG is big enough to fit both sets of fans in it, Let's not also forget that the price of AFL tickets are possibly the lowest in the developed world of any football competition - and this for the world's #1 Australian Rules competition.
Just imagine what sort of attendances the EPL would get if it used AFL's formula - every single London Derby played at Wembley, every single clash with Liverpool/Manchester United played at Wembley against London teams, borh Liverpool/Man U games played at Old Trafford etc etc. Throw in $21 general admission tickets and I would daresay that attendances in the EPL would be 10 times that of the AFL, if stadia allowed it. Yes the AFL has good attendance figures on paper - but when you look at all of the factors, it isn't that great at all. I think the A-league prices for General admission is about the same for AFL if you get shitty seats at the AFL. I don't get it though? Okay so there ticket prices are way cheaper. That just shows how financially efficient they are, Your merely pointing out again that games sustainability as opposed to the english game where all the clubs are in debt up to their ears and are constantly in danger of being swallowed by receivers. The fact the AFL can afford to sell it's tickets on the cheap is in no way a bad thing for them. I'm only pushing the AFL so hard because HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THEM TO RESPECT US IF WE GIVE THEM NO RESPECT? Accept the fact that it is Australias number one game for attendances, it's undeniable. We should use them as templates to work out how we can make the A-league better rather then letting a severe case of tall poppy syndrome get in the way of good, sound judgment. I hate to say it but I guess it's just the Australian way.
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Benjo wrote:what's the stadium that Benjamin posted? It's the Zentralstadion in Leipzig. A particularly apt venue to mention on an Australian World Cup thread as it was built specifically for the world cup, with no realistic expectation of being used to capacity after the finals. It's current occupants are a couple of lower division sides who rarely get more than 2 or 3k to games. Here's another shot of it...  Edited by Benjamin: 10/5/2010 01:03:20 AM
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+xBenjo wrote:what's the stadium that Benjamin posted? It's the Zentralstadion in Leipzig. A particularly apt venue to mention on an Australian World Cup thread as it was built specifically for the world cup, with no realistic expectation of being used to capacity after the finals. It's current occupants are a couple of lower division sides who rarely get more than 2 or 3k to games. Here's another shot of it... Edited by Benjamin: 5/10/2010 01:03:20 AM Seven years on from your post...   I guess Red Bull really does give you wings.
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StadiArena wants Canberra as 'flagship' indoor-outdoor venue for new Civic stadiumA multi-purpose stadium consortium is keen to make Canberra its "flagship site" for an indoor-outdoor venue, adamant the versatile model can generate enough revenue in the first 10 years to cover its costs. StadiArena Australia licensee Richie Williams is keen to work with the ACT government to build a state of the art 30,000-seat stadium in Civic which can be sectioned off as a smaller 7000-seat indoor arena.  An artists impression of an indoor-outdoor stadium in Civic. Photo: SuppliedThe government is still weighing up options to reinvigorate the capital's stadium landscape after Chief Minister Andrew Barr said it could scrap plans for a $350 million venue in the city. The government is pushing ahead with negotiations on a naming-rights sponsorship deal for Canberra Stadium despite ongoing uncertainty surrounding the ageing venue's future. The government is keen to buy the Canberra Stadium site at Bruce to either redevelop the rectangular ground or bulldozing it and selling the land to a developer to fund a Civic overhaul. The Australian Sports Commission's asset review and national sports plan could be delayed until the halfway through 2018, putting Canberra Stadium in a holding pattern. GIO Insurance's naming-rights partnership with the government ends this year, but the organisation has an option to extend the deal.  StadiArena designs for a new stadium in Canberra. Photo: Supplied Mr Barr used a Legislative Assembly inquiry into a new convention centre proposal to flag the prospect of building a small indoor arena on the site of the Civic Pool instead of a new stadium. He also said the government was willing to investigate an indoor-outdoor stadium to meet requirements for a range of events. StadiArena says an indoor-outdoor arena could generate revenue within three to five years because if its ability to transform from a rectangular stadium into an indoor sport, concert and exhibition area. "It would be massive for Canberra. We see an opportunity to make Canberra that flagship site and the first in Australia for a lifestyle precinct," Mr Williams said. "The costs of building a stadium are rather exorbitant for the number of times it is used. But if you put the arena in it as well, you can generate revenue to cover the cost. "If there is an arena as well, you can have conferences, expos, concerts, indoor sports as well as outdoor events for the [ACT] Brumbies, Canberra Raiders and A-League soccer. "We've got models where you can pay off a stadium within six or seven years. It depends on location, but Canberra is an ideal spot for us. "The real benefit is driving an economic hub around the stadium-arena, building an internal economy in the CBD." StadiArena recently build a indoor-outdoor stadium in India and has interest from Asia and Scotland. The company says its design can be transferred from a stadium to an arena in six minutes. Relocating the Civic Pool, the orientation of a rectangular stadium and the type of grass used for a playing surface are still the major stumbling blocks for a venue in the city. "Over the course of the public debate on the stadium issue, there have been proposals put forward that combine a stadium and arena but sealing off one end and creating a 7500-seat facility indoors," Mr Barr said. "It would still allow you to have an outdoor playing field. There are models in the United Kingdom that operate in that way." The ANU is building a pool, which could open the door for a partnership with the government. But the government is keen to build a rectangular stadium with a roof as an east-west orientation while the Brumbies and Raiders have a preference for the field to run north-south, which would require major reconstruction of Parkes Way.  The Brumbies and Raiders still play at Canberra Stadium. Photo: Sitthixay Ditthavong The government has agreed to pay $350,000 per year to rent Canberra Stadium until the end of 2024. However, that arrangement could change if the ACT can strike a deal with the sports commission, a federal government agency, to buy the stadium. The federal government owns the Canberra Stadium land and would also need to agree to a deal. "[Canberra Stadium] is well past its time," Mr Williams said. "It doesn't service the core population of Canberra at its current location. Having it in Civic would create an accelerator effect. "It's got potential for an enormous return on investment. Canberra was my ideal spot to have a red-hot crack at this form of stadium purely because it's the centre of attention of Australia."
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So not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area.
That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen.
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+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use.
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bohemia
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+x+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use. +x+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use. For all of those Canberra sporting events with over 23k in attendance. May as well weld those garage doors shut and let people enjoy craning their necks for those indoor events. Over engineered rubbish looking for a problem to solve.
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+x+x+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use. +x+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use. For all of those Canberra sporting events with over 23k in attendance. May as well weld those garage doors shut and let people enjoy craning their necks for those indoor events. Over engineered rubbish looking for a problem to solve. I'd have a partially retractable pitch and a wall to close over that section so the seating can stay in place, or moved for flat floor events like expos. The sightlines for the top tier do seem out of whack to have a stage where the seating would be, unless it's raked even higher. Automated removable seating is actually pretty achievable with the right engeneering, even plush interior designs. The idea definitely has merit, but I think it needs a bit more work.
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+x+xSo not only do you get to sit a mile from the action you also get some massive columns in the way. And in indoor mode if you are anywhere but the middle bay your orientation is toward the far corners of the performance area. That is hands down the shittest multi-useless stadium proposal I have seen. There is a video on the article. The rails for the shutters are retractable and fold up for football use. How often do Telstra dome use their retractable? Fuck all. It's as if it is like pulling teeth to use the function.
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Shame redbull have decided to sponsor AFL team next year
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8 years in the making,
patience is required
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We're going to get inevitably screwed again. Building a new stadium for their most popular sports is too hard because they don't have an A-League team but it's all fine to throw money at Manuka oval with no Big Bash team and 4 AFL games featuring a club hated in their own city as well as a indoor arena for a fkn womans basketball team. They should be doing exactly what Christchurch is currently planning. Build a permanently roofed 20-25k Stadium with a retractable pitch so events can be held frequently without impacting the main tennants.
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+xWe're going to get inevitably screwed again. Building a new stadium for their most popular sports is too hard because they don't have an A-League team but it's all fine to throw money at Manuka oval with no Big Bash team and 4 AFL games featuring a club hated in their own city as well as a indoor arena for a fkn womans basketball team. They should be doing exactly what Christchurch is currently planning. Build a permanently roofed 20-25k Stadium with a retractable pitch so events can be held frequently without impacting the main tennants. I'm sure that will happen....eventually. Right now the ACT Govt is stretched with a billion dollar investment in a tram line and fixing up the Mr Fluffy debacle. The new stadium is effectively third in line (and that's assuming nothing else pokes its head up in the meantime).
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