you are dead right here mate.

think of it this way. by the book if a referee wants to red card a player he must immediately blow the foul and send the player off. there is no such thing as playing advantage and then sending a player off (when referring to the laws of the game violent conduct must be immediately dealt with). [This obviously doesn't include when an incident happens in backplay and the linesman has to signal the referee etc]

the referee in this case, has two options.

1. the referee must play the advantage, award the goal, and yellow card the offending player

OR

2. blow the foul, disallow the goal, send off the offending player and award a penalty.

it's easy to see which a decent referee would choose.

Edited by anth: 7/8/2009 11:05:18 AM

Alternatively, you can do the Paul McGrath trick... Stand at the side smoking a cigarette and watching the others training.

"So long as I can see the ball, I'm fit enough." As he once said.

EDIT - I understand Ledley King is using the same training regime, less the cigarette.

Edited by Benjamin: 7/8/2009 10:29:18 AM

A first-offence foul to be a red-card offence must involve violent conduct. Always in the opinion of the referee of course.

The term "professional foul" in football signifies a deliberate foul commited with the intention of stopping play.

This offence in itself is and always has been a yellow card offence.

An intentional (or professional) foul becomes a red card offence when the offending player is the last defender and deprives his opponent of a scoring opportunity, or when there is violent conduct involved in the intentional offence which could cause serious injury to the fouled player.





Edited by ton.of.bricks: 7/8/2009 03:27:46 PM

Of course endurance is very important.

But you'll agree endurance is gained in the first stage of pre-season training, where EVERYTHING revolves around long sustained running at a steady pace.

But, there comes a time when long steady-pace running comes to an end in pre-season and the fast and shorter work begins with or without the ball.

Endurance training is not interval fitness training. In endurance training an athlete is teaching his body to use oxygen only (which is a slow-burning fuel) for energy, just like the marathon runners do.

In sprinting the body uses different chemicals stored in the body for energy plus ogygen especially near the end of the sprint.

Since a football player must have endurance and also be able to execute very fast sprints constantly throughout the game and be able to recover as quickly as possible, he needs to teach his body to produce, store and quickly replace those fast-burning chemicals the body uses for fuel in the sprints and hard runs as well as teaching his body how to be a more and more efficient ogygen-burning machine. Providing early and steady long running has helped a player gain endurance, inteval training during the rest of the season helps him get and remain fit.

Running players hard and long without breaks during the season proper is akin to disaster for fitness. This is the period the players must be kept fresh and just below 100% percent fitness so they don't peak too early. This is not the period for long running without rest breaks, particularly long, hard running.

Doing warm-ups with the ball, some stretching, some skill drills, playing a conditioned game and then a free game, then doing some sprints with rest breaks followed by a winding-down jog and stretching is more than enough to keep the players fit and fresh and a good training session.

Same here and the FIFA one i got is from 2007 so fairly new. And i thought a proffesional foul was a red card offense no matter what.

In terms of fitness, as TOBs says, you'll get more out of 5 minutes of chase-ball (3 on 1 passing) than you'll get from 20 minutes of slogging around the outside of the pitch. A series of such drills is a far more effective similation of the intensity of a match situation.

Endurance is important in any sport,it is vastly different playing 36 holes of golf socially than playing 36 holes for money.

Playing in the park for eight hours playing five a side with jumpers as posts is still easier than running for ninety minutes in a formal game.
Perhaps the running without a ball business is for this reason,to simulate a real game.
In training good players tend to become great, and fit players tend to become super human Fitoids.
But on match day nerves or tightness comes to the fore,perhaps the endless running without the ball helps replicate these white line crossing conditions?
Oh and never run in tracksuits I was told, what about never run in shin pads?
In training and running around the oval surely all kids should wear shin pads and the boots they will wear matchday?
Shin pads boots they are a factor.

=d> =d> =d>

Add morale to the last sentence as well. No kid wants to do cross-country or laps... Give them a ball to chase and they'll run all night.

I've never gone much into the science of it.

I learned in a senior fitness course the importance of teaching the body how to use oxygen for energy efficiently by using interval training and I applied those basic principles in a simple and practical sense and it always worked.

The idea was to start early in the season with a ratio of 1 to 3 of interval training and slowly progress to 1 to 2, if possible.

I know that you know, but I'll mention it anyway. The ratio 1 to 3 means, 1 part of hard work at maximum effort and 3 equal parts of rest.

A simple example to show how this could work in an exercise with the ball for young players is a 3v1 passing game in a 10x10 yard square. The 3 players spread out and pass the ball to each other and the single player is in the middle of the grid and tries to intercept the ball. The defender here must work at full pace and run in all directions as hard as he can chasing the ball for a set period, let's say 30 seconds. Then he changes places with another player and so on until everyone has had a go at being the hard working chaser in the middle. In this way every player had one part of hard work in the middle chasing the ball and 3 parts of rest or very easy work on the ourtside passing the ball. In 10 minutes of doing this exercise the players have had plenty of interval training for fitness and practiced their passing skills as well.

What I'm trying to say is, you don't have to do just sprints at the end of a session for interval training reasons. You can make interval fitness training part of a normal practice game with the ball.

The reason I try to explain this at length (and I might be boring you) is that I still drive past training grounds during the week and see coaches running young players into the ground trying to get them fit. If they only knew the damage a prolonged and endless hard run without rest periods does to a young player's fitness, they wouldn't be doing it I suppose.

Edited by ton.of.bricks: 3/8/2009 12:24:24 PM

To measure the recovery rate of an athlete, one must take his pulse immediately after a consistent period of exercise (the beep test or 5 minutes of steps for example), then allow him to sit for 5 minutes and take his pulse again.

The difference between the two measurements is then entered into a calculation along with the athlete's height and weight to gain his rating/score.

Unfortunately, I've no idea what the actual formula is.

I can tell you that mine was 43.8 when I was 21 - I was 182cm and 72kg at the time if that helps anyone to calculate anything! The other guys tested at the same time as me scored in the high 30s. 45 was the mandatory pass mark to gain entry to the fire brigade (and that's why I'm not a fireman!)

Just saw that you said 'judge' not 'measure'. What you said makes more sense then.

The way I understand it, in this sense "recovery" means a player has recovered enough to be able to repeat that run at full speed.

I assume 'recovery' means their pulse returns to their resting heart rate?

Let's move on. As a first step, let's just try to show a little more respect towards each other and see how we go. I never enjoy making enemies. There's a big fundamental difference between our beliefs about what's right and what's not for the future of australian football, but we can always agree to disagree in a more civilised and less provocative manner, right? Let's see how we go in the future.

Here are my answers:

1) In football the term "hole" is used to describe space created in midfield under particular circumstances for the team in possession of the ball. Describe what constitutes a "hole". What does the term mean in football?
If a player in possession of the ball in midfield has 2 opponents ahead of him, the free space behind and between those opponents is called the "hole".

2) During the course of a game, possession of the ball changes constantly between teams because of actions like tackles, mistakes etc. More than 70% of the time a team will regain possession of the ball through what means?
Through interception of the ball.

3) In fitness, when we judge a player's fitness, we measure how quickly he does what?
We measure how quickly he recovers after running at full pelt.

4) When we use the term "the first defender" in football and in particular when we're explaining the principles of the game to young players, who do we refer to as being "the first defender?"
The first defender is the player closest to the ball when his team loses possession. (His job, even though it wasn't part of the question, is to delay the opposition moving the ball forward so his teammates can re-organise)

5) An attacker is professionally fouled inside the opposition penalty area by the last defender who is the opposing goalkeeper. The attacker falls to the ground and loses control of the ball. But before the referee can blow the whistle, the goalkeeper accidentally knocks the ball into his own net. Apart from awarding the goal what other action must the referee take here and why?
Show the goalkeeper a yellow card for professional foul. He doesn't send him off because he did not deny the opponent a scoring opportunity since a goal was scored.

6) A goalkeeper is practicing catching high balls from crosses during the warm-up before a game. Which particular goalkeeping skill is he mainly practicing here?
He's practicing mainly moving to the right position from which he can jump as high as he can and catch the ball at the highest point possible with arms and hands fully extended.

7) There are mainly 2 types of headers in football. Name them and describe their execution.
There are 2 headers, the attacking and the defensive. In both cases the neck muscles are locked, eyes are open and mouth is shut. The power comes from arching the back and then heading ball with a big forward follow-through. In the attacking header the player tries to get over the top of the ball and head it down towards the ground. In the defensive header the player heads the ball as high and as long as he can (heading the ball back in the direction it came from helps gain maximum distance).

8) Whenever you kick a ball, pass a ball or perform a tackle using a particular foot, how should the ankle of that foot be?
The ankle joint is locked.

9) A striker has just dribbled past an opposing defender and now the road is clear all the way to the opposing goal. What is the next thing he should do?
He should step behind the defender as he runs towards the goal, so he can cut off the defender's ground of recovery.

10) The "one-two" or "wall-pass" was primarily designed and is used for to penetrate a particular defensive formation? Which is it?
The wall-pass is used to get behind a square defence.


Maybe we can do some more in the future. FFT has very knowledgeable members for sure.:lol:

OK, so attempting the answers without repeating what mk's said so he doesn't accuse me of being an 'echo' ](*,)
I just read mk's quote as I was writing in the quick reply. Here's an idea mk, GO FUCK YOURSELF. I haven't seen your post.


Edited by afromanGT: 30/7/2009 03:19:31 AM

That one about the professional foul is a very interesting one. I think a goal after a pro foul and a yellow card is fair enough, but TBH I don't think I've seen that.

After a professional foul and goal, I think I have only ever seen two of the three outcomes.

*The ref gives the goal and lets the foul slide OR

*It was a few years ago and I think it was a player from Fulham who attempted to block a goalbound header with his hands, but he only succeeded in pushing it in. The goal was given and so was a red card.

Edited by MidfieldMaestro: 29/7/2009 01:35:45 PM

By the way - there's an olive branch. If you want to settle differences. Agree that we disagree on the past but agree on the future, etc.

He doesn't resort to tactics like that does he?:d

Im pretty good. Whats the bet afro comes in and changes up the words to the correct answers and gets 10/10?

According to the FIFA rule book I have from my reffing days it is still a send off.

I should add at this point that I read "retain the ball" rather than "regain the ball" for question 2.

Answer to question 1.

The space behind and between two opposing players is called the "hole."

Imagine a midfielder in possession of the ball around the halfway line with 2 opponents about 10 yards apart and ahead of him.

The space behind those 2 opponents is a "hole" and if this space is free and a ball can be played there for a teammate to receive, then the entire defensive structure of the oppostition is under threat as players panic and are pulled away from good defensive positions.

Good and mobile midfielders like Frank Lampard always look for ways to receive or play the ball into "holes" which are continually appearing and disappearing as the players constantly change position and direction around the middle 3rd of the field.

See you next time o:)

I'm reading and learning martyB

The special last defender rule that makes a professional foul a straight red card offence only applies if a goal is not scored.

A lot of people argue that it's not fair, because if a goal is not scored, the last defender gets send-off and the other team wins a penalty, so it seems like a double punishment to lose a player and also concede a goal through a penalty. But that's the rule.

TOB, if you want to put down your answers for people to discuss and compare, you can use 'spoiler' tags. These just put a mask on the text so that they can only be seen when highlighted with your cursor.

If you want to do this to avoid repeating yourself, just put [*spoiler] and [/*spoiler] either side of a body of text (like with quoting). Just don't include the astersik. If you're unsure, just click quote above this post and see.

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Edited by martyB: 28/7/2009 06:29:06 PM

I'm just going quickly through your answers and you seem to be spot on in almost all of them =d> The first one is the hardest and I don't think anyone will get it. I'll come back for that one.

Didn't even notice there were others here. Sorry. I was so preoccupied with these friggin answers:lol:

Very true, very true!



Question 5 is interesting and even referees can get it wrong.

There's a clar-cut rule dealing with the last defender committing a professional foul in a scoring situation.

a) If a striker is denied a scoring opportunity after being fouled in the box by the last defender, the last defender is shown a red card and a penalty is awarded.

b) If a striker is fouled in the box by the last defender but the ball ends in the net, the goal is awarded and the last defender is shown a yellow card. His offence this time is treated like a normal professional foul that carries the punishment of a yellow card because a goal was actually scored despite the foul so the striker is not judged to have been denied a scoring opportunity.

In 6, a very difficult skill to master for goalkeepers is to judge where to position themeselves in relation to a coming high ball so they can jump and catch it at the highest possible point of its trajectory that they can.

Every time a goalkeeper is beaten to the ball in the air by an opponent's head, it's not an accident but bad goalkeeping because he din't pick the right spot from which to jump for the ball so he can meet it fully stretched at the highest point possible. Very difficult skill to master.

In 9, the next thing a striker should do, and 80% of them forget to do it, is to step across with the ball and behind the defender so he can cut off the defender's ground of recovery.

As the striker dribbles past the lone defender, then he steps across and behind the defender, now the only way for the defender to stop him will be to foul him and many penalties and send-offs are won by good strikers this way.

In 2, the means by which a team regains possession of the ball more often than anything else is through interception.

Applying correctly the 3rd principle in defence (which is BALANCE) and being always ready to win back possession through interception, makes a team look so much faster to the ball as it wins most of the 50-50 ball situations.

For 1 I have to come back.

It doesnt matter though. The keeper still denied the attacking team an obvious goal scoring opportunity by commiting the proffesional foul which is still a red card regardless of whether the goal is scored or not.