Yeah, but most of us came legitimately. Either paying our way to come through the airports and pay for a visa, or applying for refugee status. These people are paying soem guy with a boat $10,000/head to jump the queue. It is in essence, people smuggling, which is internationally condemned - but people here are saying it's acceptable? There's a movie about people smuggling on one of the HD channels this weekend, I suggest you watch it.

Well Turnball is gone. Looks like Abbott is the guy thats going to lose the election instead.

Abbott to turn the party around especially if Rudd throws his toys out of the pram now and calls a double dissolution.

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No chance.

On which part?

He won't turn the party around as he only won by 1 vote. This means that Turnbull might do a Howard and come back again. Abbott hasn't got anywhere near a clear cut majority. This lack of a clear cut victory will be merciously repeated by the Labor party putting Abbott under immense pressure.

All hail the Rule of the conservitive Catholic!

If there is a better candidate for the conservitive Right I do not know who it is.

The liberal party are truly going to be the Evil in Australian polotics with him at the helm.

Do you expect great things from Abbott? What's that now??? 3 leaders in 2 years....Nelson, Turnbull and Abbott.....sounds like a party in crisis to me.

Then 55 of them voted to veto the ETS. The party will unite under Abott and unlike Rudd he wont be full of spin.

no no. My point is that Abbott is truly Evil. His stance on things like abortion same sex unions and young people will put a stop to things like progress, acceptance and pro choice.

I dont like Rudd and I think he is a massive tool but Abbott is evil and we need more independants in the house to fight the evil that the 2 party system brings. Dont be fooled the ETS is terrible and needs to be rethought.

Did you know that Australia is the leader in Solar technologiy??

We export 95% of it to Europe and a major part of that to Germany. If every household was fitted with Solar pannels and excess power was fed back in to the grid we would reduce the need for power stations by 75% reducing our Carbon footprint by half.

](*,) Liberal Party, Abbot is a bigger fuckwit than Turnbull, way to ruin any small chance you had. Bring in Hockey or get Costello back

I smell a conspiracy.

I've been laughing all morning. Abbot. :lol:

It was an embarrassing press conference to watch. Hyperbole. :lol:

So Turnbull gets the sack because he stood up for what he believed in? Further proof that politics works

Hyperbole. :lol:

That really made my day.

No he got sacked because he went against party polocy.

By agreeing to the ETS he was admitting that there is a green house issue and the Liberal party have been against this belief since before John Howard.

He was basically saying he was a Wigan fan then going to Liverpool matches.

So he went against the party policy of complete ignorance towards the environment and climate change issues?

He actually had the audacity to see that his party's policy was incorrect.

Abbot is a fucking joke, the party is in disaray which means we will be stuck with Rudd for another term FML

You realise if Turnbull was to get into power, it would be very similar to Rudd?

I wasnt expecting Turnbull to be at the helm at the stage, hoped it would be Costello actually

I wander what Costello is doing at the moment? He would certainly have more credibility then the current pretenders for leadership. Hockey is a joke as well. The liberals are in a very sad state.

His working for one of the unions iirc. Quite ironic considering work choices was him and Howard :p

Abott offers an alternative. As much as you may hate him (I don't hate him but some of the things he believes in are just fucked) he will give us a viable strong alternative and set out his own policies.

Just out of interest where do you stand on this global emissions policy Turnbull tried to get through? Do you believe the Liberal Party is doing enough about global emissions in their policies?

Politics is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded...

IMO anything more than nothing is to much. Human affect on emissions is minimal and Australia's affect even less. Global warming is a myth used by left wingers to make money.

If you're trolling, you're doing a bloody good job. If you're not you desperately need to look into the subject.

I am not trolling I am telling the truth. Climate change is a myth. Remember when we were kids it was "holes in the ozone layer". The green business is a multi billion dollar industry and the scientists who sell this propaganda have made millions of dollars off of it.

I just sprayed some deodorant, just for the sake of it.