Yes, but ABBOTT IS! WHICH IS MY PROBLEM!! As I said, he's anti-contraceptive, anti-abortion, pro-conscription, anti-union, anti-same-sex-union, anti-premarital sex...

Not all Catholics are anti abortion and sterotypicaly strict people my family isnt. So Abbot shares ome views that his church does that does not mean his thought process is governed by the church

JFK's religious ties didn't impact on his ability to make decisions in office. Abbott's policies and opinions are guided by the church.

Cough JFK

LOL what a crock.

They weren't devout catholics though. Excuse me for thinking that the person running the country shouldn't have to ask their imaginary friend what to do before they make a decision!

So what if he is Catholic afro, plenty of good leaders have been and still are.

This is such a shit move by the Libs, I dont vote as I am 16 but I have connections to the party due to my family being members and my dad running for them, I have met a lot of these people and my dad has met all of the big guns and he is absolutely distraught by this, the party is fucked and why they are fighting amongst them selves ruining any chances of election Rudd will continue fucking the country up untill he leaves a huge mess to his successor

If you don't care for it, why comment in here? #-o

If you read around now, the high-profile "greenies" are all saying that man-made climate change is a myth. While the 'climatologists' - the ones who stand to lose their careers - are still areguing that it exists. Their extensively industry would go down the toilet overnight. The fact of the matter is, these chemicals etc aren't being created, they already existed in the environment, they're just existing in a new state. You're not changing anything.

As for Tony Abbott, the Liberals are surely screwed now. I'd hate to think what would happen if he got in power. It would most certainly be worse than Bush. The man who's anti-abortion, pro-conscription, anti-union. The country would be fucked. Oh yeah...and he's a man of god... Good for him, but asking a voice in your head what the best thing to do is before you press the red button is NOT THE MAN YOU WANT RUNNING THE COUNTRY!

I just sprayed some deodorant, just for the sake of it.

I am not trolling I am telling the truth. Climate change is a myth. Remember when we were kids it was "holes in the ozone layer". The green business is a multi billion dollar industry and the scientists who sell this propaganda have made millions of dollars off of it.

If you're trolling, you're doing a bloody good job. If you're not you desperately need to look into the subject.

IMO anything more than nothing is to much. Human affect on emissions is minimal and Australia's affect even less. Global warming is a myth used by left wingers to make money.

Politics is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded...

Just out of interest where do you stand on this global emissions policy Turnbull tried to get through? Do you believe the Liberal Party is doing enough about global emissions in their policies?

His working for one of the unions iirc. Quite ironic considering work choices was him and Howard :p

Abott offers an alternative. As much as you may hate him (I don't hate him but some of the things he believes in are just fucked) he will give us a viable strong alternative and set out his own policies.

I wander what Costello is doing at the moment? He would certainly have more credibility then the current pretenders for leadership. Hockey is a joke as well. The liberals are in a very sad state.

I wasnt expecting Turnbull to be at the helm at the stage, hoped it would be Costello actually

You realise if Turnbull was to get into power, it would be very similar to Rudd?

Abbot is a fucking joke, the party is in disaray which means we will be stuck with Rudd for another term FML

He actually had the audacity to see that his party's policy was incorrect.

So he went against the party policy of complete ignorance towards the environment and climate change issues?

No he got sacked because he went against party polocy.

By agreeing to the ETS he was admitting that there is a green house issue and the Liberal party have been against this belief since before John Howard.

He was basically saying he was a Wigan fan then going to Liverpool matches.

Hyperbole. :lol:

That really made my day.

So Turnbull gets the sack because he stood up for what he believed in? Further proof that politics works

I've been laughing all morning. Abbot. :lol:

It was an embarrassing press conference to watch. Hyperbole. :lol:

I smell a conspiracy.

](*,) Liberal Party, Abbot is a bigger fuckwit than Turnbull, way to ruin any small chance you had. Bring in Hockey or get Costello back

no no. My point is that Abbott is truly Evil. His stance on things like abortion same sex unions and young people will put a stop to things like progress, acceptance and pro choice.

I dont like Rudd and I think he is a massive tool but Abbott is evil and we need more independants in the house to fight the evil that the 2 party system brings. Dont be fooled the ETS is terrible and needs to be rethought.

Did you know that Australia is the leader in Solar technologiy??

We export 95% of it to Europe and a major part of that to Germany. If every household was fitted with Solar pannels and excess power was fed back in to the grid we would reduce the need for power stations by 75% reducing our Carbon footprint by half.

Then 55 of them voted to veto the ETS. The party will unite under Abott and unlike Rudd he wont be full of spin.