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Quote:[size=7] Lockouts are legacy of riots[/size] BY CHRIS BOULOUS 24 Mar, 2010 12:28 PM THOUSANDS of fans will be locked out of the top of the table NSW Premier League clash between Sydney United and Bonnyrigg White Eagles. It will be the third time the local rivals will play in front of empty stands in the past two years as safety concerns continue to haunt the two clubs. Officials have banned spectators in an attempt to avoid a repeat of pre- and post-match riots after the predominantly Serbian Bonnyrigg supporters and Croatian-backed United fans clashed in 2005. More than 50 people fought with flares and bottles, resulting in injuries to police and fans. Post-match tension rose when a car was bombed outside King Tomislav Club in Edensor Park and bullets were fired at Bonnyrigg Sports Club. Sydney United coach David Zdrilic said football will be the only thing on the players' minds as they look to snap a fortnight of frustration and return to their goal-scoring best. ``It is disappointing in this day and age we have to play in front of closed doors but safety is the number one priority,'' Zdrilic said. ``Unfortunately, safety can't be guaranteed with a crowd so we have to contend with the situation the way it is. ``Our number one priority is converting our chance into goals against a very good Bonnyrigg team who have got some dangerous players.'' Zdrilic's counterpart, Bonnyrigg coach Brian Brown, said this game like every other game is a big game for his team. ``Certainly for both clubs it is a massive game but we can only control what happens on the pitch,'' Brown said. ``Every team this year have lifted against us and we expect nothing less from Sydney United. ``The three competition points is the most important thing and we will be looking to build on our second-half performance last week and take it into this week.'' Football NSW general manager Ian Holmes said the decision to play behind closed doors has been taken in consultation with NSW Police and the committees of both NSW Premier League clubs. ``Sydney United and Bonnyrigg White Eagles are working in close co-operation with Football NSW and the Fairfield local area command of the NSW Police Force to ensure orderly conduct is maintained and the match can proceed without disturbance caused by people outside of the sport,'' Mr Holmes said. ``There will be very restricted entry to the venue. The only persons who will be permitted to attend are paid up club members of the home team who prepurchase tickets. Identification will be required on match day for prepurchased tickets.'' Bonnyrigg will enforce a fan lock-out when the two clubs meet in the return leg at Bonnyrigg Sports Club in June. A decision on a potential finals lock-out if the two teams meet will be made later. http://www.fairfieldchampion.com.au/news/local/sport/football-soccer/lockouts-are-legacy-of-riots/1785300.aspx?storypage=0 Quote:Post-match tension rose when a car was bombed outside King Tomislav Club in Edensor Park and bullets were fired at Bonnyrigg Sports Club. The highlighted bit is what pisses me off royally every time the events from 2005 are brought up. They make it as if United Fans shot at Bonnyrigg's club when it was proven that the shots were fired from INSIDE the club so Bonnyrigg shot at their OWN club. So either report it right or STFU. Anyways it's kind of a shame the game will be locked out this game probably would have drawn 5000 maybe even more. Would definitely be the highest regular season attendance of the whole comp.
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Its incredibally sad this still happens in this day and age - and one of the reasons why leagues such as the NSL and now the NSWPL get little to no respect.
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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BWE and United Fans can not Guarantee that the game will not turn in to a race riot so regardless of who shot at who is Irrelevant.
The sooner BWE and United fans can put the old country and the personal feelings regarding their heritage behind them, the sooner they can get back to supporting their team.
This however is never gonig to happen as neither team is willing to let it go.
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sydneycroatia58
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rocknerd wrote:BWE and United Fans can not Guarantee that the game will not turn in to a race riot so regardless of who shot at who is Irrelevant.
The sooner BWE and United fans can put the old country and the personal feelings regarding their heritage behind them, the sooner they can get back to supporting their team.
This however is never gonig to happen as neither team is willing to let it go. The sad thing is the majority of the fans on either side are ok and most know eachother. It's the younger ones who just like to hate anything Serb because they are Croatian and vice versa. It's really the minority that would like to cause trouble and it's really a shame. The thing is its not what happens inside the ground thats the problem that can be controlled.It's what happens outside after the game. I suggested to my dad last night if they do play in the Semis, okay it at a neutral venue and keep one set of fans back for an hour after the game and give them a police escort.
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rocknerd
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:rocknerd wrote:BWE and United Fans can not Guarantee that the game will not turn in to a race riot so regardless of who shot at who is Irrelevant.
The sooner BWE and United fans can put the old country and the personal feelings regarding their heritage behind them, the sooner they can get back to supporting their team.
This however is never gonig to happen as neither team is willing to let it go. The sad thing is the majority of the fans on either side are ok and most know eachother. It's the younger ones who just like to hate anything Serb because they are Croatian and vice versa. It's really the minority that would like to cause trouble and it's really a shame. The thing is its not what happens inside the ground thats the problem that can be controlled.It's what happens outside after the game. I suggested to my dad last night if they do play in the Semis, okay it at a neutral venue and keep one set of fans back for an hour after the game and give them a police escort. This is the kind of thinking that needs to be done and something that can be brought up to the Football Supporters' Federation Australia that people from this forum are trying to get off the ground. If a level of the top FTW (Ithink is the United Ultras) could get together and submit a plan of action and even meet with BWE (I don't know who their group is/was) and begin to build he bridge of friendship plus show active engagement to reduce the chance of rioting you may get back to have games in front of a good crowd. The problem with the minorities creating the trouble is that the Mob takes on this persona and ruins it for the majority. Look at the hools at the easter Nats on Friday trashing the T-Mart dealership. it started with about 10 pissed off blokes and turned in to a large scale riot within minutes.
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rocknerd wrote:
This is the kind of thinking that needs to be done and something that can be brought up to the Football Supporters' Federation Australia that people from this forum are trying to get off the ground.
If a level of the top FTW (Ithink is the United Ultras) could get together and submit a plan of action and even meet with BWE (I don't know who their group is/was) and begin to build he bridge of friendship plus show active engagement to reduce the chance of rioting you may get back to have games in front of a good crowd.
The problem with the minorities creating the trouble is that the Mob takes on this persona and ruins it for the majority. Look at the hools at the easter Nats on Friday trashing the T-Mart dealership. it started with about 10 pissed off blokes and turned in to a large scale riot within minutes.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as just "leaving it in the old country" as people like to call it. The other favourite of mine is that these are "ancient ethnic hatreds". The "hatred" is really only recent and comments like this just reflect the ignorance of the average person. It will still be another generation or two before this stuff can be completely left behind and people can attend a fixture like this without any safety concerns. The war is fairly recent and many people still carry the scars of the war whether they are physical or mental. It is easy for someone who has never dealt with a situation such as that to just say "get over it". I'm not justifying or condoning anything, just giving the other side of the story. There have been large numbers of Serbs migrating to Australia in the last 10/15 years and many were directly impacted by the war. While the majority of the Croatian immigration occured before/during the war, many people still find it hard to move on completely. Having said that, the majority of fans on both sides COULD attend these fixtures without causing any trouble. But we all know that there will always be people on both sides who cannot attend without provoking the other, and there will always be people on either side more than happy to react to the provocation. But that's no different to Sydney v Melbourne or any other football fixture. This just happens to be based on ethnicity, a massive no-no in our multicultural country. :?
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Edensor2176 wrote:rocknerd wrote:
This is the kind of thinking that needs to be done and something that can be brought up to the Football Supporters' Federation Australia that people from this forum are trying to get off the ground.
If a level of the top FTW (Ithink is the United Ultras) could get together and submit a plan of action and even meet with BWE (I don't know who their group is/was) and begin to build he bridge of friendship plus show active engagement to reduce the chance of rioting you may get back to have games in front of a good crowd.
The problem with the minorities creating the trouble is that the Mob takes on this persona and ruins it for the majority. Look at the hools at the easter Nats on Friday trashing the T-Mart dealership. it started with about 10 pissed off blokes and turned in to a large scale riot within minutes.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as just "leaving it in the old country" as people like to call it. The other favourite of mine is that these are "ancient ethnic hatreds". The "hatred" is really only recent and comments like this just reflect the ignorance of the average person. That is what pisses me off. People say to get over it, because it happened hundreds of years ago when it only happened 20 years ago. Like you said reflects how ignorant some people are.
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Edensor2176
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rocknerd wrote:
This is the kind of thinking that needs to be done and something that can be brought up to the Football Supporters' Federation Australia that people from this forum are trying to get off the ground.
If a level of the top FTW (Ithink is the United Ultras) could get together and submit a plan of action and even meet with BWE (I don't know who their group is/was) and begin to build he bridge of friendship plus show active engagement to reduce the chance of rioting you may get back to have games in front of a good crowd.
The problem with the minorities creating the trouble is that the Mob takes on this persona and ruins it for the majority. Look at the hools at the easter Nats on Friday trashing the T-Mart dealership. it started with about 10 pissed off blokes and turned in to a large scale riot within minutes.
Not sure who youre referring to when you talk about FTW. There has never been a United group known by that abbreviation. BWE do not have an active supporters group these days. What youre proposing is unrealistic
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Edensor2176 wrote:rocknerd wrote:
This is the kind of thinking that needs to be done and something that can be brought up to the Football Supporters' Federation Australia that people from this forum are trying to get off the ground.
If a level of the top FTW (Ithink is the United Ultras) could get together and submit a plan of action and even meet with BWE (I don't know who their group is/was) and begin to build he bridge of friendship plus show active engagement to reduce the chance of rioting you may get back to have games in front of a good crowd.
The problem with the minorities creating the trouble is that the Mob takes on this persona and ruins it for the majority. Look at the hools at the easter Nats on Friday trashing the T-Mart dealership. it started with about 10 pissed off blokes and turned in to a large scale riot within minutes.
Not sure who youre referring to when you talk about FTW. There has never been a United group known by that abbreviation. BWE do not have an active supporters group these days. What youre proposing is unrealistic Must have got my Croatian clubs confused. BBB in SU orused to be. What I'm proposing is no more unrealistic than what is currently happening within the Ausdtralian Bikie clubs. Just because there is no love between them, doesn't mean they can't fight for their rights to congregate. As for the war, I can not speak for or against peoples feelings but i can guarantee that what happens at a SU V BWE game is not on the same scale as a Syd V Melb game. The key to compramise is letting go of your pride and your ego, without this there is no point.
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It's not an easy situation, but the game should NOT be locked out!
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Minimalistix wrote:It's not an easy situation, but the game should NOT be locked out! Unless we want something like 2005 it has to be simple as that.
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Do what Greece did. Home supporters only. Maybe members only? Even make up a 'temporary member' for this one match only. I am sure they can come up with solutions so that people may attend this match.
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Minimalistix wrote:Do what Greece did. Home supporters only. Maybe members only? Even make up a 'temporary member' for this one match only. I am sure they can come up with solutions so that people may attend this match. Members of Sydney United can go but only with a pre purchased ticket and I.D. And it would be almost impossible to just let in home sup[porters. There is no way to tell who's a United supporter and who's a Bonny supporter. Edited by sydneycroatia58: 25/3/2010 10:52:57 PM
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rocknerd wrote:
Must have got my Croatian clubs confused. BBB in SU orused to be.
What I'm proposing is no more unrealistic than what is currently happening within the Ausdtralian Bikie clubs. Just because there is no love between them, doesn't mean they can't fight for their rights to congregate.
As for the war, I can not speak for or against peoples feelings but i can guarantee that what happens at a SU V BWE game is not on the same scale as a Syd V Melb game.
The key to compramise is letting go of your pride and your ego, without this there is no point.
BBB Sydney = mid-90s Care to tell me what "happens at a SU v BWE game"?
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i think its the SWF your thinking about when you said FTW
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mltezr wrote:i think its the SWF your thinking about when you said FTW Possibly... But no longer active
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