Yes its true, never write off the Germans. BUT,,, im an aussie and ive said things against our team regarding age and ability, BUT I have to say that im backing our team no matter what. No matter whose playing, whose injured; whose not picked to play!!!!! There might be those that say im foolish but im ALWAYS supporting the case whether we have the best available players or not. Im supporting all the way. All of Australia will be behind the team during the world cup, whether they be afl, rl or ru supporters. We all feel a national pride no matter what code we support. Lets all get behind the team, lets all help them push beyond the realms of expectation, We all want to see the under dog do what's not expected, where all aussies, lets get behind our NATIONAL TEAM all of us.... IM TALKING TO YOU AUSTRALIA, ALL OF YOU, SHOW YOUR NATIONAL PRIDE AND SUPPORT THE TEAM NO MATTER WHAT, LETS TELL THE WORLD WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT.

I know im going to get bashed and bruised from this post but i dont care cause im supporting the Aussies, and so should you all. Go on hit me , hit me hard, I can take it, I'm an Aussie, so fk all you that have negative thoughts.

We may or may not do well but im supporting the boys till I DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO IS WITH ME???????????????




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Read my avatar afro.

:roll: go back to the afl you "aussie"

Your the only tosser here Afro, have you said one positive thing since you joined this site?
your such a negative nancy it's not funny.
Go back to hole from which you crawled you devil spawn.

I've had no reason to say anything positive about our national team since I joined this site. We've just been that bad. First Arnold and now Verbeek, they're both shit coaches.

This is probably the most pointless topic since Blyth Spartan's "dog football" thread. Everybody on here is going to be supporting Australia. We don't need a fucking cheer squad of one.

That is all i have to say.

Hahahahaaaha, What kind of supporter rips into a fellow fan? Especially one who is guilty of nothing but a bit of overzealous enthusiasm. Don't put on airs on this site you incumbent, there is no such thing as a correct fan. It just seems like unless people are as negative about life as you are then they are worthy of abuse until they feel as miserable as your self. Stopp dragging people down man. YOUR TEAM IS COMPETING IN THE BIGGEST TOURNAMENT IN THE WORLD. Be happy about it. Dream big my friend because mediocrity loves company. Aiming low will get you nowhere in life.

Learn to use a thesaurus properly, that doesn't even make sense.

Why should I be happy with my team making up the numbers? I want my team to be successful, to see the players play as well as we all know they can, for the side to actaully be more than "Oh, australia. They're alright aren't they?" from other nations fans.

However, cheering and wanking whether the manager does something stupid or brilliant isn't the way to achieve this. You look at the biggest nations on eart like Argentina, Italy, Spain, England...their fans, pundits and publications are all extremely critical of their managers and players, laying out expectations and expecting better from their players all the time.

Instead, in australia we take the approach of "Being there is enough, we made it through the qualification and that's fantastic because we never did this before." But the fact is we made it through with ease and it's a much easier qualifying task than before. And we don't care whether we played well or not, the players get a pat on the back and a beer. Which is never going to take the side forward, it's called Sitting on our laurels and won't achieve anything.

Instead we get wank like in the OP, an underachieving football side and a nation of idiot fans.

Yes first point was wrong word I'll give you that.

however you are a bigger fool then the rest of us if you think we can create a footballing nation like that of Brasil or Argentina in Australia in any short amount of time. Until our young kids are trained better then we will struggle to attain the reputations they have. Until that day comes though we will need to slowly build a level of support in the system for the 'roos so that there development is in line with the level of public support. One way not to do this is to come out attacking the fans that they have for being idiots because they enjoy the idea of being a complete optimist about what there team can acheive.

I would hate to be you afroman, I can just imagine the 2006 world cup in your head
Japan "oh well I'm sure we'll just lose to Brasil and Croatia. Why do we even try?"
Brasil "See I knew we can't match the worlds best, I hope they have there bags packed."
Croatia "Why did they bother? How will we ever get past the Italians."
Italy "See I was right everyone"

I agree resting on our laurels would not be particularly good but I think you overestimate the depth of what most socceroos fans say. The " I will love the roos until I die, We can beat the world" Is both a public show of support for our team and a sort of hope. The former exists in the hope of creating a better atmosphere around cup time. How do you think the roos would go if the Australian papers were printing "WHY OUR TEAM WILL FAIL". 'HOW NOT TO WIN THE WORLD CUP"
or even "AUSTRALIA'S INCOMPETENCY" The chances are no one would support them anymore and they would have no pride in their shirt. They'd probably just be keen to get back on the plane and home to their respective clubs. No one here genuinely the 'roos are world beaters yet. No one believes we've come far enough to stop any development of the game in Aus. However the people know that noone will support a team that people will give them shit for going for ala Perth Glory in the Ron Smith era compared to know. (There's way more shows of public support these days with people wearing hats, tops etc around the general city) And Noone will support a team if they expect them to fail. I believe you are trying to be a realist but Your being nothing like one. You are merely being the opposite end of the spectrum of what you purport most others to be, which completely discredits your arguments.

I'm not saying it should or will happen tomorrow, what I'm saying is that it should happen eventually. But it won't if we keep going like this. Taking the "being there is enough" approach is going to get us nowhere. And taking the "everybody get behind our team, we're the best" approach isn't going to help either. We need critical fans and support that's passionate, not just people who watch 30 minutes of a game 'because australia are playing' or something to that effect.

I want our fans to know enough about the game to be able to turn around and say "well, Kewell didn't have the best of games, but Cahill saved our bacon twice there, great passing for the goal from McDonald.", not just "YAY! SOCCEROOS WON!!! 2-0!!! Ummmmmmm...duuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhrrr-huuuurrrr-hhhuuuurrrr".

My approach to 06 was that qualification from our group was entirely possible with a victory over Japan and I was quite upset watching the clock tick closer to full time with Japan in the lead.
Yeah, I think that Hiddink took the wrong approach against Brazil and should have hit them on the flanks harder...but what can you do? I didn't expect us to beat them, but there was definitely a point up for grabs after how we played against Japan. I was never negative about our '06 campaign because I'd seen that we could play good football. The quality of football has gone out the window in the last four years under Verbeek and Arnold and now we've got a side full of players that can play very good football, but aren't.

When we lose to a team like Kuwait the media should be going 'what went wrong for australia:' and 'what went right for australia:', not 'australia lose to Kuwait...YAY SOCCEROOS!' or 'Socceroos lose to shit country, lol wtf?' if you're the herald sun.

I just feel there is enough negativity in Australia about the socceroos anyway, But I do agree that It's nice if the supporters are not superficial and actually know whats going on. But that will grow with time as well. The more a superficial fan watches the more he will learn. Let's not forget you must crawl before you can walk.

Yes the style Verbeek has brought is not as nice but it's a results business and you can't say we have been found lacking in that department. I see your trying to be a realist about it all but I think for the sake of the game we should all err on the side of optimism. (well sake of my sanity as well, why would I watch a game I don't think we can win?) I don't think this is resting on laurels either. I hardly think fans saying "socceroos will win the cup" is going to make the socceroos believe they will win the cup, but On the opposite side of the spectrum if we turned against the socceroos it would most likely have a negative impact on their mindsets.

But I think I'm just lucky as I often find English football boring (anyone see West Ham Man City?) and I only get into it if I get behind the team 100% so While I know negatives exist I don't focus on them, So I guess that is a head in the sand tactic but I do it because I know that my worrying will not lead to the problem being fixed. Verbeek does not read peoples Blogs on his tactics. Players often ignore Newspapers. They are the only ones who can develop themselves I feel like you think we have a role to play in improving our quality of play. I feel like we as the public are rarely consulted by professionals. So after all this maybe it is you who is the true optimist and me the pessimist.

The negativity is necessary because we know how to critcise and analyse the national team. As Foster has said a number of times it's good that we're talking about it and analysing things because it shows the growth of the educated football community. I hate the nievity and the blinded support, yeah sure be enthusiastic but don't be a dickhead, and if your not educated shut up and don't spew your verbal crap on everybody else



How the fuck are you suppose to improve your knowledge and analysis of the game if you completely ignore teams weaknesses, i'm not saying your going to become a journo or a manager but to actually take part in a discussion about Australian football it would be nieve not to think the strengths and weaknesses of the national team won't come up, and that our weaknesses are far more important than our strengths, because they are the parts that will be targetted by teams

1) I don't even see the point of an educated football team. For me supporters exist for the teams benifit no the other way around. If the supporters are bagging on a team even though the went through world cup qualifying unbeaten then sure, It may be wise for those clowns to smarten the fuck up but if your angry because fans are giving too much support then your not a supporter at all.

2) I know, A stupid thing to say I guess. But again I just want to point out I am not a Journo, Or a player, or a coach of our national team and neither are you. So It doesn't fucking matter if these things are targeted because it's not like we can call up Pim and say" Hey look big Pim man, I just think you need two strikers up front to make our team better". The only people who really need to understand are the players and coaches. Because it seems to me that you who purport to know a whole heap about football know jack shit if your constantly critising the socceroos team who are in arguably the best form this country's ever seen. I mean we can all say, Well Moore is a poor choice because he's slow but to argue Pim's style is not working beggars belief. I Suppose what I really am saying is critise but critise whithin reason.

That's completely untrue. They won't learn a thing becuase they simply don't care. They don't watch the game they're there to watch australia and don't really care who plays well or what goes on as long as australia win. They're not watching the game the way you or I are and they're not learning anything from the experience.

Yes I can. We're one of the biggest sides in asia and we struggled out of our group, albeit that we didn't lose a game that's not an accurate reflection of a year where we drew with Indonesia and Qatar and lost to Kuwait, China and struggled in many games. It's not domestic football, you don't get a biscuit at the end of the season for being able to grind out results. We need to be winning and winning comfortably against these sides that most people can't even locate on a map, let alone name a single player from. These sides are scarecely ranked inside the top 100 in the world and we can't beat them. What does that tell you about our coach?

It's very realistic to expect that we can make the quarter finals of the world cup, where we'd no doubt meet a by-then rampaging Germany, but that's irrelevant. We COULD make the quarter finals of the World Cup, we've got the players who have the ability to get us there. But we won't because the coach is...well...shit. He plays boring, unattractive football which is hardly condusive to luring in your fair weather fans.

There's 'doing a job' and there's 'doing a job well'. Pim is doing a job, we want a coach who does the job well and gets the best out of the players we have available. And when we've got players who are playing for some of the biggest clubs in europe like Gala, Fulham and Everton, we should be looking a lot better than we are.

I'm aware that players don't read the newspapers and whatnot, but word gets aroud, believe it or not this is a fairly tight-knit community and a lot of people are well connected and when word gets around of the weight of expectation for a certain game, you do see results. You see it happen in Argentina or in England, they have a great deal of expectation on their national team and now that they've found the right coach they're playing excellent football. They're reaching their potential. This is what australia needs.

in response to 1) They bag the team because they care and know they can do better (that's afro's view i find anyway). No doubt that supporting the team is important but dickheads who call out 'Go Harry' when it's Luke Wilkshire on the ball is just fucking stupid and shows how uneducated they are

2) I'm not saying that i'm a manager, or an expert or anything... just that i have some sort of educated thought process, and when you have a proper discussion about football from a knowledged perspective it can be rather more stimulating than saying "GO SOCCEROOS YEAH BOI", and i think you've got me mixed up with afro, i don't mind Pim that much... he's alright, he's not great but far from Frank Farina days. I wouldn't say that the team is in the best form the national team has ever been in really compared to 06' or even the 97' run in when we made the Final of the Confed Cup and had Iran on the rack

Yes I can. We're one of the biggest sides in asia and we struggled out of our group, albeit that we didn't lose a game that's not an accurate reflection of a year where we drew with Indonesia and Qatar and lost to Kuwait, China and struggled in many games. It's not domestic football, you don't get a biscuit at the end of the season for being able to grind out results. We need to be winning and winning comfortably against these sides that most people can't even locate on a map, let alone name a single player from. These sides are scarecely ranked inside the top 100 in the world and we can't beat them. What does that tell you about our coach?

Don't really agree with anything you say here but too tackle the more important thing, Yes but this is really all to do with Pim's game plan. I would agree with you but these results were accompanied by a win against Japan and 3-0 win against Ireland and a Draw with the Netherlands. The players seem to get the same results against whoever they are playing. and still under Pim we beat Ghana and the dutch so Look if we can get those results I don't give two shits if The A-league roos lose to China because there not on the plane to South Africa. The coach has a game plan that works fucking fantastically when we play teams who we all admire and he has his preffered players. Who cares about the results when these players are not there because they will be there at the cup. NUFF FUCKING SAID.

1) Yes I think that's embarrising for everyone involved. However like I said to afro man this will not last forever when the superficial fan watches enough games to distinguish who is who. Crawl before you walk.

2) Yeah fair enough I enjoy educated discussions as well.
I just don't think it''s necessary to talk down to people who are lacking in this ability. It will only drive people away.

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It's quite obvious to me afromangt that you have not read any of my posts regarding youth and player development. If you had you would know that we need more than your limited attention span to develop a team of world beaters ( that's not to say we cant at this point in time, the ball is round and can bounce for all ) BUT. At this point in time im willing to support my country through the thick and thin of world cup battles against teams that many seem to believe that we have no chance against. And im going to cheer and scream and possibly wake my neighbourhood up during the SAWC and i dont care, least of all about your small minded criticisms of me and the Socceroos. So gfu afro. And take Germany, Ghana and Serbia with you, and when we get through the group take England with you also.

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