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+xWent to the midnight screening of Last Jedi, thought it’s pretty rubbish, worst one Disney have done yet. I'm seeing it tomorrow night. From what I've seen the majority of reviews are very positive.
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paulbagzFC
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Mmmm I walked out thinking it was a hot mess. Might need to reponder -PB
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Benjamin
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+xMmmm I walked out thinking it was a hot mess. Might need to reponder -PB Wouldn't say "a hot mess", but it doesn't really do anything. *NO SPOILERS* but the whole thing seems to be a place-holder for Episode 9. That said, thinking back a long long time to my youth, I remember thinking the same about Empire Strikes Back.
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RedshirtWilly
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+x+xMmmm I walked out thinking it was a hot mess. Might need to reponder -PB Wouldn't say "a hot mess", but it doesn't really do anything. *NO SPOILERS* but the whole thing seems to be a place-holder for Episode 9. That said, thinking back a long long time to my youth, I remember thinking the same about Empire Strikes Back. Always seems to happen in trilogies. You have the awesome beginning, the fantastic end, and the meh in the middle. As long as Episode 9 isn't split into 2 movies
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Dan_The_Red
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Thought the way Luke Skywalker was handled start to finish was awful, will forever tarnish a legendary character.
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paulbagzFC
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As much as the second trilogy was poorly cast and acted (plus Jar Jar), to its credit it was more Star Wars than this. This was Harry Potter in space. -PB
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Mr B
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Some idiot already spoiled it for me, still looking forward to watching it though.
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sydneycroatia58
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So 6 of the top 10 grossing films of all time are now owned by Disney lol.
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RedshirtWilly
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Saw TLJ last night. Happy to go with the ride, but did feel a bit of "ok we've reeled you back in, NOW you need to let go of the past".
In saying that, there were a lot of references especially to ESB. Getting ready for the RotJ references next movie seeing as 7 was just a re-hash of 4.
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Haven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained.
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paulbagzFC
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+xHaven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained. Correct. -PB
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+xHaven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained. So on the money here. The last one is unforgivable imo.
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Spoilers below
Thought it was ok, nothing special, and ultimately I wasn't really invested into what was happening. My main problems are the portrayal of Luke and his whole story with Rey, the Marvel humour, Rose and Finns side plot wasn't interesting at all, Leia Mary Poppins scene,Yoda's puppet, and Rey and Kylos force connection scenes.
Things I liked was the basic plot of being on the run from the First Order, Paige Tico, Kylo Ren, the throne room, Porgs, and the Praetorian guards scene.
It's quite amazing the reviews this is getting from sites compared to audience reviews, it's currently 93% at rotten tomatoes while the audience score is 56%. Everyone I saw it with thought it was ok.
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OK I've read spoilers: Good heavens they've killed it. No lightsaber battles. A useless sub-plot with the token diversity characters. Leia doesn't die even though they can't re-use her. They betray the Hero character of the whole franchise in favour of a some chick who showed up and is given the ultimate Force power of PLOT PROTECTION. I mean c'mon, Yoda just destroys the Jedi tree and trusts some Force-sensitive girl with the secrets of the Jedi order because ya know fuck it really - eccentric, I am. No wonder Harrison Ford begged to be killed off so he can be in real sci-fi projects like Blade Runner
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+xOK I've read spoilers: Good heavens they've killed it. No lightsaber battles. A useless sub-plot with the token diversity characters. Leia doesn't die even though they can't re-use her. They betray the Hero character of the whole franchise in favour of a some chick who showed up and is given the ultimate Force power of PLOT PROTECTION. I mean c'mon, Yoda just destroys the Jedi tree and trusts some Force-sensitive girl with the secrets of the Jedi order because ya know fuck it really - eccentric, I am. No wonder Harrison Ford begged to be killed off so he can be in real sci-fi projects like Blade Runner Agreed. I mean, Yoda was able to come back as a Force Ghost and communicate with the physical world (Force Lightning and even smacking Luke around). If you can do that, then why not get onto your boys Ben, Qui-Gon and Anakin to organise some lightsabers?
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+x+xHaven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained. So on the money here. The last one is unforgivable imo. One of the best decisions they made for mine. Now we have an actual villain. Such a shame everyone's fan fiction about Snoke amounted to nothing. +xSpoilers below Thought it was ok, nothing special, and ultimately I wasn't really invested into what was happening. My main problems are the portrayal of Luke and his whole story with Rey, the Marvel humour, Rose and Finns side plot wasn't interesting at all, Leia Mary Poppins scene,Yoda's puppet, and Rey and Kylos force connection scenes. Things I liked was the basic plot of being on the run from the First Order, Paige Tico, Kylo Ren, the throne room, Porgs, and the Praetorian guards scene. It's quite amazing the reviews this is getting from sites compared to audience reviews, it's currently 93% at rotten tomatoes while the audience score is 56%. Everyone I saw it with thought it was ok. Important to note that 56% isn't all audience reviews. That's basically an opinion poll. TLJ's cinemascore which is an actual audience review was an A
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Mr B
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Hmmm I must be the only one here who really enjoyed it.
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+xHmmm I must be the only one here who really enjoyed it. Nah you're not, I loved it. Need to watch it again though with a clear mind and not after a full day at work haha.
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Mr B
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+x+xHmmm I must be the only one here who really enjoyed it. Nah you're not, I loved it. Need to watch it again though with a clear mind and not after a full day at work haha. Ahh sweet not the only one then haha, to be fair though I thought the first one by Disney after watching it the first time was pretty good but after re-watching after the initial buzz I thought it was pretty average. This one though felt a lot better all around, couple points halfway through the movie were a little poor but overall I loved it.
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+xOK I've read spoilers: Good heavens they've killed it. No lightsaber battles. A useless sub-plot with the token diversity characters. Leia doesn't die even though they can't re-use her. They betray the Hero character of the whole franchise in favour of a some chick who showed up and is given the ultimate Force power of PLOT PROTECTION. I mean c'mon, Yoda just destroys the Jedi tree and trusts some Force-sensitive girl with the secrets of the Jedi order because ya know fuck it really - eccentric, I am. No wonder Harrison Ford begged to be killed off so he can be in real sci-fi projects like Blade Runner Yup, token "rich people are like the WORST" scenes, like the whole Casino arc was that lol. Not to mention forced cliche love triangle incoming with Mary Sue-Rey, Finntastic and Rose. Yawn. Was very tropetastic this movie and did nothing to further the overall plot at all, a placeholder of placeholders. -PB
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HOLY SHIT. This article is almost word for word how I felt when I left the cinema (bar the heavy anti SJW overtones, I didn't really rage too much bout that hah) The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie everSPOILERS: Remember when Star Wars was good? The Last Jedi is anything but. In fact, it’s the worst Star Wars movie ever. WARNING: Spoilers ahead A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, Star Wars movies used to be good. They featured interesting characters doing cool stuff — flying spaceships, shooting laser guns, rescuing princesses from evil space knights. Today, under the rule of the Disney Social Justice Empire, Star Wars movies feature boring characters standing around giving cringe-worthy motivational speeches and crying. Does anyone remember the scene in A New Hope where Luke Skywalker, sniffling as tears stream down his face, gives a two-minute monologue to Obi Wan Kenobi about his childhood and how the Evil Empire killed his uncle Owen and aunt Beru and how he hates, HATES them and they’ll never get away with it and he’s going to RESIST, as music swells and the camera cuts to Obi Wan’s face beaming with pride? No. Owen and Beru get killed, Luke arrives just in time to find their charred bodies, looks sad for a second and tells Obi Wan, “I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father.” Then he f***ing gets on with it and doesn’t cry like a [non gender specific person] for two-and-a-half hours. Or what about the iconic scene in the Mos Eisley Cantina where Han Solo meets Obi Wan for the first time. “I’m just a lowly smuggler,” he giggles nervously. “I’ve never met a JEDI HERO before!” Oh wait, that didn’t happen either. Han Solo didn’t care about Obi Wan. He called him a crazy old man and laughed behind his back. People didn’t really care about things that much in the original films. Or if they did, they didn’t stand around talking about their feelings — they just did things, and we sometimes felt things as a result. In the new movies, everyone cares about everything, and they have to tell each other all the time, and as a result the audience feels nothing. The drama is forced, but worse, it’s completely unearned. For three movies now, following The Force Awakens and Rogue One, these characters feel like children dropped into a Disney Star Wars theme park. (Gee, why might that be?) Every two minutes they stop to remind each other they’re in Star Wars. Remember Luke Skywalker? Remember Han Solo? Remember the Force? Any second you expect them to turn to the camera and go, “Can you guys believe this!?” When they’re not reminding each other of things that happened in previous movies or even previous scenes in the same movie, they’re talking at great length about what they’re going to do in the next scene — usually with tears in their eyes, inspirational music and the word HOPE mentioned at least twice. There are so many things wrong with Rian Johnson’s abomination it’s honestly hard to know where to begin — the criminal waste of Luke’s final film appearance, the nonsensical plot (since when has space fuel been an issue in these movies?), completely pointless casino mission, flying space Leia, Rose’s entire character, the Phantom Menace-level awful “Resistance Kids”. To be fair, many of the problems were inherited from J.J. Abrams’ slightly less awful predecessor — Rey the Mary Sue, emo Kylo Ren, the existence of the First Order completely invalidating the defeat of the Empire and the entire original trilogy — but Johnson somehow manages to make everything worse. From unceremoniously killing off Snoke to dismissing the importance of Rey’s parentage to turning the ending of The Force Awakens into a literal throwaway joke by having Luke chuck the lightsaber, The Last Jedi is almost painfully self-aware in rejecting the previous film. But in doing so, it feels like Johnson is rebooting the new trilogy in the second film. Not exactly a good sign. As terrible as The Force Awakens was, it’s made retroactively worse in the knowledge that none of the mysteries it introduces actually matter, and yet we’re stuck with these godawful characters and status quo. One of the most annoying things was the fact that the best scene — the hyperspace kamikaze — was wasted on the worst character to ever appear in a Star Wars movie, instead of being given to Admiral Ackbar, a fan favourite and established character, who was instead killed off-screen and referenced in one line of dialogue. Having read the glowing critic reviews, it felt like they had seen a completely different film. But then, as Meryl Streep, sorry, Laura Dern, literally turned to the camera and delivered a purple-hair speech to the Oscars crowd, sorry, spaceship, about RESISTING, everything made sense. As bad as the George Lucas prequels were, at least they felt like they took place in the Star Wars universe. These new movies feel like a parody of Star Wars — a combination of Nickelodeon special and bad Saturday Night Live sketch. George, we forgive you. Is it too late to bring back Jar Jar? I want off this Disney ride.
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I'm so keen to read the Guardian review. They lap up any sort of diverse bullshit and will ignore how terrible it actually it is.
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lol 'the importance of Rey's parentage'. No one but fans who thought they were so smart coming up with 1000 different theories about who her parents are actually thought it was important. No doubt JJ will fuck it up in IX and make it so Kylo was just lying to her about her parents and they're actually someone important, instead of leaving it as it should be.
Also don't really understand the complaint about a 'reboot' in the 2nd movie of this trilogy. It's not rebooting, it's table setting to finally end the Skywalker Saga and bring 'balance'.
As for Snoke, he served his purpose and that was to flesh out Kylo Ren. I'm sure his back story and how he got to that point will be explored in EU stuff and if it was included in movies people would complain about that too.
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That article was brilliant, sums up it entirely. RIP Star Wars
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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**SPOILERS**
Really enjoyed it. There was some unnecessary parts but on the whole but they've at least fleshed out characters far more than the original trilogy ever did. Also in the original films you never thought that the rebels were ever in any real trouble or despair. This time around they actually take significant losses and spent the entire film in peril, which is how it should be. On the Snoke thing, as long as he was alive Kylo could never be a legitimate villain. Vader suffered from that through the Emperor in the old films. And of course Luke didn't end up in a string of epic lightsaber battles, reality is Mark Hamill is 66 years old.
Star Wars fans are possibly the hardest fan base to please (myself included). I mean as much as I love the original films and entire universe we really look back at them with rose coloured glasses.
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+xHmmm I must be the only one here who really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it too. Dunno what people expect these days. It's a star wars movie. Its cowboys and indians in space. Goodies vs baddies. People just like to complain.
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Was chatting to a friend about this recently...
Have we also been spoiled by TV shows these days?
I find it really hard to watch a movie anymore because the plot always seemed so rushed and forced.
The same story gets told in 2 hours in a movie that gets told in 12 x 1 hour tv episodes.
How can you ever have the same character development?
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+xHaven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained. Lots of people complaining that Snoke isn't explained - to which I will simply ask, at what point in the original trilogy is any explanation given for The Emperor? None. No back story. No introduction. A couple of holograms, then a personal appearance, then a face-off with Luke and Vader throws him down into the Death Star. Nothing more or less than we get for Snoke. Luke IS weak and conflicted, but there's a reason for this in the film... And if you go beyond the film and think about it logically - he was a teenage farmboy at the ass-end of space one minute, saviour of the galaxy a few days later, then a trained Jedi, then he's seen off the Emperor and Vader... The guy has gone from zero to hero and all it cost him was his hand... Then he's had about 15 years of "you the man" from everyone whilst running his Jedi academy - life pretty much perfect... Then it's all gone to shit because he took his eye off the ball and underestimated everyone/everything. Of course he's a shell of a man. Kylo is played as a spoilt brat - but again this makes complete sense. Your dad's the coolest space pirate around, mum's a princess, you've been raised as a Jedi by the most amazing man in the galaxy, and then seduced by a dark stranger telling you that YOU are the most amazing man in the galaxy. It would make a c*nt out of any teenager! None of this bothered me about Last Jedi... It was the whole chase in space that lost me - Maz's phoned in scene, the Rose/Finn casino sequence, the waste of Benicio Del Toro, Phasma popping up to have the (TR8R) fight she should have had in Force Awakens, Laura Dern keeping secrets from her crew for no reason other than to build tension for the audience...
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+x+xHaven't seen it but humour me: Based off Hamill's interviews Luke is weak, conflicted and probably dies which fuckin sucks. Rey is portrayed as utterly perfect. Kylo Ren is portrayed as some autistic alt-right bloke. Snoke isn't important or explained. Lots of people complaining that Snoke isn't explained - to which I will simply ask, at what point in the original trilogy is any explanation given for The Emperor? None. No back story. No introduction. A couple of holograms, then a personal appearance, then a face-off with Luke and Vader throws him down into the Death Star. Nothing more or less than we get for Snoke. Luke IS weak and conflicted, but there's a reason for this in the film... And if you go beyond the film and think about it logically - he was a teenage farmboy at the ass-end of space one minute, saviour of the galaxy a few days later, then a trained Jedi, then he's seen off the Emperor and Vader... The guy has gone from zero to hero and all it cost him was his hand... Then he's had about 15 years of "you the man" from everyone whilst running his Jedi academy - life pretty much perfect... Then it's all gone to shit because he took his eye off the ball and underestimated everyone/everything. Of course he's a shell of a man. Kylo is played as a spoilt brat - but again this makes complete sense. Your dad's the coolest space pirate around, mum's a princess, you've been raised as a Jedi by the most amazing man in the galaxy, and then seduced by a dark stranger telling you that YOU are the most amazing man in the galaxy. It would make a c*nt out of any teenager! None of this bothered me about Last Jedi... It was the whole chase in space that lost me - Maz's phoned in scene, the Rose/Finn casino sequence, the waste of Benicio Del Toro, Phasma popping up to have the (TR8R) fight she should have had in Force Awakens, Laura Dern keeping secrets from her crew for no reason other than to build tension for the audience...
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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