------------------Schwarzer-------------------

Wilkshire --- Neill -- Milligan --- Chipperfield

--------------Culina--- Valeri -------------------

--Emerton ---------Kewell-------Holman/Bresciano--

------------------Rukavytsia---------------------

well first of all kewell would be shit house on the left he has no pace and is old now. as a striker/am should be good.

if chippers is exposed as a left back, would it be worth it to use him as a striker aka fc basel?

maybe:

------------------Schwarzer-------------------

Wilkshire --- Neil ---- Beauchamp --- Carney

--------------Culina---Valeri -------------------

--Emerton ---------Kewell--------------Holman--

------------Chippers/Ruka--------------------

i know he scored some vital(winning) goals for basel and got like 10+ goals for the season yeah? just wandering how effective he was there i didnt actually see if he did well.

or if thats too silly jsut use carney on left, kewell as striker and holman in middle like he does for AZ

Edited by beersandwich: 16/6/2010 05:51:27 PM

Edited by beersandwich: 16/6/2010 05:53:03 PM

Chippers could be in for carney.
Holman should start in my oppinion. Hes been playing well since the NZ game. Giving us some life in attack.

+1. Chippers was overwhelmed cos he had Culina (then Garcia) doing eff all in front if him.

geez!, what's with the sudden man-crush blitz on Beauchamp?!?!? As bad as Moore is, Beech (or even Milligan) wont do any better. Sorry kids, we're stuck with Moore.

Chippers' been alright apart from the last game. Agree about Carney, will get killed on the inevitable counters.

Hate to say it but we have to stick with the same back 4, swapping-around now is too late, too unsettling & will make things even worse.

FWIW:

------------------Schwarzer-------------------

Wilkshire --- Neil ---- Moore --- Chipperfield

--------------Culina---Valeri -------------------

--Emerton ---------Kewell--------------Bresc--

------------------Kennedy----------------------

Pretty much agree with this, although maybe give Garcia a run at some stage.

I think that Ghana will expect us to push up because we need a win, so they will look to hit us on the counter if our defenders are slow, so I'd prefer not to have Moore or Chipperfield starting.

Also in that case, there's less chance of us hitting them on the counter, so I'd rather Kennedy than Rukavystya in the starting line-up.

I agree LB is a problem (has been for about 2 years really), but I don't think Carney can defend, even if he is (fractionally) quicker.

Actually in the Germany game, I apportion some of the blame on Culina whose role it was to track Lahm's runs so as not to expose Chipper so much to Lahm and Muller

Chippers got torn a new arsehole because of his lack of pace against Germany - what do you think Ghana are going to do down that side if we play a guy who is struggling that badly for pace?

I like Chippers but he really shouldn't start against Ghana. Serbia, sure - we're not going to be as worried by their pace, and hopefully they'll be on zero points without a chance of qualifying for the next round by then.

Schwarz
Wilkshire-Beauchamp-Neill-Carney
Culina-Valeri
Emerton-Holman-Kewell
Kennedy

Subs:
Bresciano for Kewell on 60 (if he can't last the ninety, which seems likely)
Vidosic for Valeri if we're still level on 70
Ruka on for the last 15 for anyone if we're down.

I'd put Vidosic in the starting XI for Kennedy if he's going to go for a pacy lineup, with Kewell up front with Holman playing off him.

'cept Carney can't defend. He was exposed in the early qualifiers playing there. He's better as an attacking L winger, not a L back

Mark my words boys, Holman WILL start. As will Kewell and Emmo.

Preeetty sure of it, anyway :P

Yeah good point, my revised line-up:


------------------Schwarzer-------------------

Wilkshire --- Neil ---- Beechy --- Chipperfield

--------------Valeri ------ Culina-------------

-----Emerton ------ Kewell ------- Bresc-------

---------------------Ruka----------------------

I just think Rukya provides a better outlet up front than Kennedy (Heading aside)

How about play Vidosic in attacking mid, he realy impressed me against NZ and I think could realy make an impact.

-------Schwarz-------

Wilk---Neil--Beech---Chippers

-----Valeri--Grella----

Emmerton---Vidosic---Kewell

---------Ruka----------

Kewell and Emmerton on the wings with Vidosic and Ruka in the middle should be a pretty strong attack and would create a different dynamic than what we have been used to (which hasn't realy been working). Would mean more Flare and Pace which I think we have realy been lacking. Kennedy is great and effective as long as he has someone to set him up but this just has not been happening recently.

Agree with Valeri. I wouldn't be surprised to see Carney on the left - but I think we need Harry in the middle. Now he is slower he struggles with skinning players and gets caught between the sideline and the defender. He is better when he can take on a player either way easily.

Harry's partner up front depends what you are after. Garcias can take on a player, Kennedy has height and Ruka has speed. They all offer something.

I could live with

-----------------Schwarzer--------------

Wilkshire---Neill---Beechy---Chipperfield

----------------Valeri-----------------

Emerton---------Culina--------Carney or Bresc

-----Ruka or Josh or Garcia------Kewell--------------


Three points here and we will be in front of the Kiwis!!!!\:d/

No! We can't do that guys! Its not a 4-2-3-1! :P

What about moving Culina into the AM role and using Valeri at DM?
Rukya up front with JK and Harry on the Left?

What about a combination of the two

-----------------Schwarzer--------------

Wilkshire---Neill---Beechy---Chipperfield

------------------Culina-----------------

Emerton---------Holman--------Bresciano

--------------Kennedy------Kewell--------------


If Bresc isn't up to it - throw Carney there.

If we play a high line (God no!!!) - swap the wide midfielders with the fullbacks so that we at least have some pace.

What I think he'll do:

-----------------Schwarzer--------------

Wilkshire---Neill---Moore---Chipperfield

------------Grella-------Culina------------

Emerton-----------Holman-------------Vido/Bresh

------------------Kewell------------------

What I would like:

-----------------Schwarzer--------------

Wilkshire---Neill---Beechy---Chipperfield

------------------Culina-----------------

Emerton---------Bresciano-----------Kewell

--------------Ruka------Kennedy--------------



I'm almost certain Emerton, Kewell and Holman will start after his 'pace up front' comment. Perhaps even Ruka too.

Edited by imnofreak: 15/6/2010 02:19:14 PM

Valeri played reasonably well but its hard compliment any of the socceroos defensively after that performance. Hes definetely no longer grella's prodigy and will be very suprised if he doesnt take vinces regular starting XI spot in the post-2010 world cup regime.

Someone on this forum said a while back I will wait for the German thumping so that we can take out Moore for the next games. It might just be good advice.

I was pretty impressed with Valeri considering I actually heard his name a couple of times in the match, unlike Grella's.

Spot on.

Most important changes are that Moore and Grella are removed from the team as they have been well and truly exposed as has-beens as of late.

agreed.

this.

maybe with milligan instead of beachamp.

we need pace throughout the field. this side has it, without compromising structure or experience too much.

vidosic the obvious weak point. maybe chippers in instead, as a dedicated forward (was massively exposed for pace at the back). alternatives would be bresc, or kewell out left with kennedy or ruka up front. would prefer kennedy to be an impact off the bench rather than a starter; when he's about, it's too much route one. holman may have his detractors, but his pace and energy will be crucial. especially in cahill's absence. culina deserves a go in an advanced DM, may be better without having to cover grella's aging legs.

--------------Schwarzer
Wilkshire--Neil--Beauchamp--Carney
-----------Culina--Valeri
----Emerton----Holman----Kewell
---------------Kennedy




Subs anyone except Chippers and Moore

No way Pim will change from a 4-2-3-1 and risk another debacle like last night,

-----------------Schwarzer--------------

Wilkshire----Milligan----Beauchamp----Carney

------------------Valeri-------------------

-----------Culina--------Holman------------

Emerton-------------------------------Kewell

------------------Ruka-------------------

Ghana will be expecting us to play Pim's usual defensive formula. I would go with a slightly more attacking formation. However I would still use wingers so our tactical preparation over the last few weeks doesn't totally go to waste. I really wanted to find a spot for Vidosic but Emerton played so well that I could't find a spot for him unless I chanced him as a striker or as a central attacking mid.

Why would Pim change now 4-2-3-1

------------------Schwartzer-----------------
-Wilkshire - Neil - Beauchamp - Chipperfield-
-------------Culina ---- Valari -------------
-----Emerton ----- Holman ----- Kewell-------
-------------------Kennedy-------------------

Subs

Bresciano
Ruka
Carney

I think Holman needs to play. And play Kewell aswell to maybe get some attck.

Bring bresc on for kewell if hes still not fit enough
and chuck ruka in as impact sub as an extra attacker for valeri/culina or something.

But they way Pim picks his squads he'll prob the the medical person waterboy and pimself as goalie.



Edited by TimmyJ: 14/6/2010 03:44:06 PM

i like

---------Schwarz----------
-Emmo--Mills-Neil--Carney-
-Bresh----Wilks---Chippers-
-Garcia----Jesus----Ruka-

------------Swazzie----------
--Wilkshire-Neil-Milligan--Carney
-Ruka-Vidosic-Kewell-Holman--Bresciano
--------------Kennedy-------------------