A simple question: Why haven't we seen hundreds of crosses into nothing, less goals and bad free kicks as the ball was new in Bundesliga ?

I'm waiting for a rational explantion.

We didn't lose because of a ball.

We lost because we tried playing a high line against a team that can't attack against a packed defense.
It's fun looking for excuses, but we made Germany look better than they actually are - not the ball.

As for Australia - so far we've had, "they've had the ball longer than us" and "their goalscorers weren't even really German"... Take it on the chin. Or blame a shit goalkeeping error (works for us Poms).

If these balls were available to Germany then they should be available for all....it is a clear advantage.

I'm suprised FIFA would allow this to happen.

Doesn't mean we wouldn't have lost but even so four goals in a tournament where everybody else is struggling to score does suggest an advantage.

FIFA says the balls were available for everyone to use and not just the Germans and claim that critics of the ball only have themselves to blame.

Watch the A-League, this is normal.

But every cross I have seen has been overhit.

I love it when the likes of Carragher have their complaints blown out of the water.

As for Australia - so far we've had, "they've had the ball longer than us" and "their goalscorers weren't even really German"... Take it on the chin. Or blame a shit goalkeeping error (works for us Poms).

If these balls were available to Germany then they should be available for all....it is a clear advantage.

I'm suprised FIFA would allow this to happen.

Doesn't mean we wouldn't have lost but even so four goals in a tournament where everybody else is struggling to score does suggest an advantage.

Yeh just found this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/15/world-cup-franz-beckenbauer-england


the Bundesliga having adopted the World Cup ball, which had been launched last December, this year. The Premier League has a deal with Nike and could not follow suit, while the Football Association is contracted to Umbro for international fixtures, thereby preventing Capello's side experimenting with the new ball in the friendly with Egypt in March. England have been using it every day since they gathered in Austria for a pre-tournament training camp, barring the Wembley friendly against Mexico.

The Jabulani was, however, used in domestic leagues in Switzerland, Portugal, the United States, South Africa and the Netherlands last season, and in the French Cup and the Africa Cup of Nations. No complaints over its performance were received, with tests in sessions at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Milan also producing positive feedback.

"We supplied the national federations with the ball in February," said Thomas van Schaik, an Adidas spokesman. "Obviously, we stressed they needed to use it and we offered it to them for usage. The reason we chose February was because, following the launch in December, there had not been any internationals. That meant that the national teams would have the first opportunity to have access to the ball at the same time."

Yeh just found this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/15/world-cup-franz-beckenbauer-england


the Bundesliga having adopted the World Cup ball, which had been launched last December, this year. The Premier League has a deal with Nike and could not follow suit, while the Football Association is contracted to Umbro for international fixtures, thereby preventing Capello's side experimenting with the new ball in the friendly with Egypt in March. England have been using it every day since they gathered in Austria for a pre-tournament training camp, barring the Wembley friendly against Mexico.

The Jabulani was, however, used in domestic leagues in Switzerland, Portugal, the United States, South Africa and the Netherlands last season, and in the French Cup and the Africa Cup of Nations. No complaints over its performance were received, with tests in sessions at Chelsea, Real Madrid and Milan also producing positive feedback.

"We supplied the national federations with the ball in February," said Thomas van Schaik, an Adidas spokesman. "Obviously, we stressed they needed to use it and we offered it to them for usage. The reason we chose February was because, following the launch in December, there had not been any internationals. That meant that the national teams would have the first opportunity to have access to the ball at the same time."

Its not an excuses for the loss, but when you see most other teams come out and struggle to score even one goal against terrible defences its pretty unfair. They have easily played the best with the ball so far this wc.

I would consider this advantage to be worth five goals in the first game. No doubt in my mind Schwarzer would have saved all 4 if Germany were an inept with the ball as everyone else.

Take away that advantage and it would be a one nil win for us.

that's my story and i'm sticking too it.

Edited by Andyroo: 15/6/2010 04:24:35 PM

I would consider this advantage to be worth five goals in the first game. No doubt in my mind Schwarzer would have saved all 4 if Germany were an inept with the ball as everyone else.

Take away that advantage and it would be a one nil win for us.

that's my story and i'm sticking too it.

Edited by Andyroo: 15/6/2010 04:24:35 PM

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The controversial Jabulani balls were introduced by Bundesliga clubs sponsored by their German-based manufacturer adidas in February

"But every cross I have seen has been overhit. It goes over the back post. I haven't seen anyone get a free-kick over the wall yet.

"It just seems to sail straight over the bar. Looking at the start, maybe it is not doing what people expected. People thought there would be more goals but apart from Germany I don't think there have been too many goals in the tournament."

England's Jamie Carragher believes Germany gained a huge World Cup advantage by ensuring their players had four months to get used to the ball they banged into the net four times against Australia.

The controversial Jabulani balls were introduced by Bundesliga clubs sponsored by their German-based manufacturer adidas in February and Carragher believes that has given England's biggest rivals an edge that was apparent in their impressive 4-0 win over the Socceroos in their opening match on Sunday.

"That is exactly what we were saying as we were watching," Carragher said.

"It gives them an advantage anyway. Certainly, that is true. It is obvious. The ball is very different. Every training session we do we always start with a ball between two, passing 30 or 40 yards to each other just for that reason alone. I am sure it has helped them."

FIFA and adidas insist that any difficulty players have encountered with the balls here is down to the effect of altitude, not anything to do with the design.

That stance has been disputed by numerous players and Carragher believes designers will always try to tweak the specifications of balls to generate more goals.

"When you are making a ball for the World Cup the idea is to create more goals I think and get it to do strange things to make it a more exciting tournament.

"But every cross I have seen has been overhit. It goes over the back post. I haven't seen anyone get a free-kick over the wall yet.

"It just seems to sail straight over the bar. Looking at the start, maybe it is not doing what people expected. People thought there would be more goals but apart from Germany I don't think there have been too many goals in the tournament."

Despite his criticism of the ball, Carragher said nothing should be taken away from an impressive performance that underlined that Germany will once again be a force to be reckoned with at the World Cup.

"They played so well. I am not looking for an excuse. You are trying not to hype them up too much because of how well they played. It is something to cling to, that they might have been playing with the ball (for longer). I have had two or three texts about it."

Carragher added: "If you watch Germany and the teams come up, you wouldn't say the names roll off the tongue. But then when you see them in action and how they played against Australia it was very impressive.

"The manager, Joachim Loew has done a great job. He was number two to (Jurgen) Klinsmann and had a bit of an impact at the last World Cup."

England's players, who could face Germany as early as the second round, were impressed by the creative quality of 21-year-old Mesut Ozil, the chief engineer of the demolition job on Australia.

"Right from the first two touches you could tell he had a bit of class with his left foot," Carragher said. "You could tell straightaway he is a talented player."

Germany's positive start with what was supposed to be a squad of modestly talented, inexperienced players is in sharp contrast to the stumbling entrance to the tournament of England's star-studded squad, who were held to a 1-1 draw by the United States on Saturday.

Carragher admits that the German mindset may be more geared to delivering success in football's biggest tournaments.

"What they may have is a belief of always being there at the end. Maybe that continues," he said.

"It is similar to what we have at Liverpool where you are known for getting late goals no matter who is on the pitch. You believe you are going to do it.

"Because we have not done very well in tournaments maybe that is something. But if you look at the players we have got I am still pretty confident we can do well in this tournament."