Red card debate - you be the ref


Red card debate - you be the ref

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Here's the thing, we have been hard done by. I can't fault the referee for sending off Kewell, it was justifiable even if I believe the decision was wrong. Sending of Cahill though, was completely uinjustified and stupid.

If Cahill hadn't been sent off we'd just have copped Kewell's dispatching on the chin.
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What aboput all the fouls that should have been red cards but weren't? They are what stick in my mind more than the very very very very very soft reds that have been handed out.

You cannot tell me that every player who instigated a studs up challenge late and from behind should not have gotten a red card when it has been mandated by FIFA that this offense is a straight red?

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been said before: modern elite game is now too fast and technical for referees to control on their own.

bring in video reviews that allow retrospective judgements
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
An extremely broad question... Definately hard-done by on the Cahill sending off, but Kaka and Behrami's were equally soft reds, but not on the Kewell hand-ball and red-card, follow the rules and there's nothing else that could have been done.


Have to disagree about Behrami's red card. It was a clear red and will always be a red.


He was swinging his arms around, but if the bloke he hit had stayed on his feet (like a man) rather than collapsing (like a tw*t) and rolling around as if he'd been full on punched, I'm not so sure it would have gone off the same way.

I agree with Michael B's comments that it's high time that FIFA started to make an example of play-actors. Ban them all, every time they do it, it would soon clear things up.
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australiantibullus wrote:
Cahill was hard done by. But I felt Cahill and Grella pushed their luck against NZ. I would rather they get a card in a friendly than in a WC. Hopefully we can have some better luck against Serbia. I think we will need luck on our side with ref calls to get to the round of 16.


Why do people refer to previous games?

A referee should be calling the game in front of him, not one 3 weeks back.
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Cahill was hard done by. But I felt Cahill and Grella pushed their luck against NZ. I would rather they get a card in a friendly than in a WC. Hopefully we can have some better luck against Serbia. I think we will need luck on our side with ref calls to get to the round of 16.
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Benjamin wrote:
An extremely broad question... Definately hard-done by on the Cahill sending off, but Kaka and Behrami's were equally soft reds, but not on the Kewell hand-ball and red-card, follow the rules and there's nothing else that could have been done.


Have to disagree about Behrami's red card. It was a clear red and will always be a red.
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Having your arms away from your sides, however natural a reaction, is deemed to be an act of increasing the size of the body on the line, thus - it was intentional, whether he had his eyes shut or not.
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Benjamin wrote:
An extremely broad question... Definately hard-done by on the Cahill sending off, but Kaka and Behrami's were equally soft reds, but not on the Kewell hand-ball and red-card, follow the rules and there's nothing else that could have been done.



It is only a red card if the handball is intentional. Do you really think someone with their eyes closed with a deviating ball coming flying at him put his bicep in the way intentionally??
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If I was the ref i would have completely ignored the Kewell handball and signaled play on...but you would have to wonder why FIFA would allow an Australian with no top level refereeing experience to oversee a game involving Australia at the World Cup.

What a farce!
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An extremely broad question... Definately hard-done by on the Cahill sending off, but Kaka and Behrami's were equally soft reds, but not on the Kewell hand-ball and red-card, follow the rules and there's nothing else that could have been done.
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I think the defence and arguement here is quiet stupid. I believe that some form of technology willl come into play eventually. FIFA have been avoiding the issue, but it is hard to justify considering how many cameras you have at one time watching a game. This has made the referees appear biased or incompetent when the truth is they have very little support and are expected to make quick decisions in split seconds.
Personally I would like to see review panels call into question divers and those who feign injury. I do think if their were real consequences for such actions people would be cautious about trying to fool the referee.
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David Hall FTW
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Red card debate - you be the ref

* From: News Limited newspapers


RED-card fever has gripped World Cup fans, with debate raging across the globe. Dodgy decisions or all part of the game? Have the Aussies been hard done by or are we just a bunch of whingers? Here are both opinions, so you can be the judge.
The refs got it right – by David Hall

All right, so the Socceroos have had a couple of red cards, the merits of both were debatable. But if you think that makes Australia unique, you're kidding yourselves.

Take in some of the plotlines following the draw with Ghana: FIFA refs are biased against Australia … it's a conspiracy… the ref killed Kewell's World Cup… it's the Italians…

Come on. Is this the best you've got, this woe-is-us, hard-done-by mentality? All the people who like to dismiss soccer as a "soft" game are whingeing because things haven't gone their own way. Two words: man up.

No one has anything against Australia. There is no conspiracy. You just messed up.

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If Tim Cahill hadn't come sliding in from behind on Bastian Schweinsteiger, he wouldn't have got a red card.

If Harry Kewell hadn't been standing on the goal line, shifting his body when his arm blocked a clear goal, he wouldn't have got a red card.

Back in 2006, if Lucas Neill hadn't slid into Fabio Grosso in the box it wouldn't have been a penalty.

It could be argued these decisions were harsh – but they can all be easily justified and none represent any kind of bias. In fact, in every one of these incidents, the referee did his job exactly as he should and got the decision spot-on.

Every nation at the World Cup suffers, at some points, decisions that go against them which are perceived as unjust. There are also certain nations that play the game in a certain manner (more openly or less gamesmanship, depending on your perception) that usually suffer for their naivety.

This is what makes football the game it is, the game the world loves. More often than not, it's not about justice. It's not about what you deserve. It's not a game where you get two, three of four chances to win the trophy even though you were only the eighth-best team in the league.

It's not a game no one minds if you go a goal down because you'll kick another 15 before the game is over. There's no video referee to give you a second chance and tuck into bed you at night. This isn't every kid wins a prize.

Just like life, the beauty and drama come from its flaws.

Your players stuffed up and they paid the price. It's unfair, it's not black and white, there is no karma and Australia has no divine right to win or even be given the benefit

of the doubt. Get over it.


You've got to be kidding – by Scott Moore

Ah, Mr Hall, the vast majority of Australians beg to differ.

Not that we reckon there's a conspiracy against Australia per se.

It's more a conspiracy against common sense and fair play – by rule-stickling bozos wielding red cards, and stupid rules that leave no room for appeal.

Whose idea was it to allow referees to strut about with coloured pieces of paper anyway?

It just encourages them to become prancing show ponies, with a disproportionate power to affect the outcome of not only games but whole tournaments.

Try to find someone who reckons Tim Cahill's tackle deserved a red card. And yet what looks to some very good judges like a refereeing howler cost Australia big time.

Not only did the Aussies have to play short for the rest of the match, but also for the next vital clash in their spluttering World Cup campaign.

All because a referee had spent way too much time watching Quick Draw McGraw as a kid.

Harry Kewell's red card just reinforces that with the World Game, too often there is no benefit of even considerable doubt.

But, lest we seem to be harping on Australia's woes here, worse has been inflicted on better credentialled and more talented teams.

Germany's Miroslav Klose could consider himself very hard done by when ousted for an innocuous tackle against Serbia.

But that fades into insignificance when compared with the astounding second yellow card handed out to Brazil's brilliant Kaka against Ivory Coast.

Never has the need for video review been more obvious.

A second look through the camera lens would reveal that Ivory Coast's Abdelkader Keita had not, as first appeared, been shot with an elephant gun. What Kaka had done was more in the order of brushing lint from his opponent's strip.

But the referee shot from the hip and now Brazil – and soccer fans – will not have the chance to marvel at Kaka's magic in the next match.

And there's no right to appeal. Or for any real criticism of the referee outside the media.

As a staunch Aussie Rules fan, I break into a cold sweat every time I even think of our miked-up, arm-waving umpires having the power to send off and suspend with a stylish brandishing of a piece of red paper.

God, they already seem, on occasions, to believe the game is all about them.

To quote Peter Parker's Uncle Ben, "With great power comes great responsibility".

Do us all a favour – introduce a video replay system and an appeal process for red cards.

Otherwise, the game's stars will keep paying for the mistakes of others. As Australia has – two games in a row.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/world-cup-2010/red-card-debate-you-be-the-ref/story-fn4ke53k-1225882228786

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