Tyson_85
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Fozz just spoke about Verbeek going to the Dutch press following the Australia v Germany game and bagging the players and Australian Football becfore questioning whether he should have been in charge of Germany rather than Australia. They said it has been kept quiet.
Anyone here about this, or any resident Dutch that can confirm??
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jonzey
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Apparently my brother heard something similar on the radio earlier today. I thought he was lying... Confirmation anywhere???
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notveryclever
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Lol I hope it's true.
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Joffa
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I'm not sure why this would be kept quiet, I think something like this would spread around the world fairly quickly.
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Mr
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Spill it. Who can translate?
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Tyson_85
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Just confirmed by Bascheer apparently he heard the same
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martyB
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Didn't he do this after leaving Korea? They survived.
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Tyson_85
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martyB wrote:Didn't he do this after leaving Korea? They survived. According to them he didn't do it after leaving he did it after the Gemrany game. That's a major issue. "they survied"? Doesn't bother you at all then clearly. Edited by Tyson_85: 24/6/2010 11:07:39 PM
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da640
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i was watching this they said he bagged the players after the germany game in the dutch press. I cant find anything on net yet.
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Tyson_85
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Specifically named players as well apparently.
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Panchosm
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there hasn't been anything on tv or on the net that i have seen and ive been on them since the start of the cup so i have no clue what they are on about
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Dan_The_Red
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I heard this also, trying to find info on the net. Will post a link if i find something.
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martyB
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Tyson_85 wrote:martyB wrote:Didn't he do this after leaving Korea? They survived. According to them he didn't do it after leaving he did it after the Gemrany game. That's a major issue. "they survied"? Doesn't bother you at all then clearly. Edited by Tyson_85: 24/6/2010 11:07:39 PM Had I known this last week, yes. However, now his tenure is up: not particularly, no. I haven't seen anything on the net about it, so it would seem the Dutch press haven't done much with it. Comments like these would sure to have been on-sold to and circulated among the major news outlets around the globe. Comments like these could jeopardise negotiations with prospective managers. But I doubt they will; we put in solid performances against Ghana and Serbia, and nothing Verbeek said could make him look anything other than bitter - what kind of manager blames his men outright?
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I suspect it is not true. I couldn't find anything, except Dutch translations of stufff I had already heard. It simply fits Foster's agenda of blame the coach and bring in a panel of former captains.
Forget the hyperbole, once again an Australian NT coach has been proved tactically naive.
Venables should have shut up shop at 2-0. Hiddink should have had more people back coming into extra time against Italy. Pim should not have played a high line against Germany with an ageing team.
Let's forget about crucifying the man and learn our lessons. We got 4 points in a tough group, we are a growing football nation. Realise where we are and build on it.
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Panchosm
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i think that this is all smoke but no fire. they need to show it or shut up about it
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skeptic
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Take care with what you believe about Pim coming from sbs. Foster said 15 mins ago that whoever is the new coach, he must play the 'Australian way', answer to Australian champions (I imagine he still means a panel of players) and never again should a coach be given free reign and allowed to make all the decisions, play as he likes and do as he likes with the team. Smart eh? Pay millions for a coaches expertise and then tell him he doesn't know as much as a bunch of ex players and must coach the way he's told.
Well, I'd guess any coach with an ounce of ability and a pinch of pride would tell you to stick your team up your hillbilly arse and laugh all the way home on a plane. You're from a different planet, Foster.
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I expect this to appear at some stage on the sbs site. Ugly news if true, but like others mentioned how could this have been kept quiet by the media for this long?
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skeptic wrote:Take care with what you believe about Pim coming from sbs. Foster said 15 mins ago that whoever is the new coach, he must play the 'Australian way', answer to Australian champions (I imagine he still means a panel of players) and never again should a coach be given free reign and allowed to make all the decisions, play as he likes and do as he likes with the team. Smart eh? Pay millions for a coaches expertise and then tell him he doesn't know as much as a bunch of ex players and must coach the way he's told.
Well, I'd guess any coach with an ounce of ability and a pinch of pride would tell you to stick your team up your hillbilly arse and laugh all the way home on a plane. You're from a different planet, Foster. I've met Craig Foster, briefly, and he came across as shy, but personable. A relative knows him much better having taken a coaching clinic with him. He contradicts himself a lot in the media and is overly emotive. He said he would sack the coach on the spot one day. Then Australia gets a draw and a win and only misses out on goal average from qualifying for the round of 16. I think it is good to have an impervious coach, who is calculating and not too emotive. Foster also said when Verbeek was first in charge that he demonstrated autonomy from anyone else, apart from the TD. He suggested this was the perfect scenario. Now he says the coach should be supervised by former captains, when he previously said he should only be accountable to the Technical Director. His view of he coach depends on the last result. In 90 minutes he often seems to have an antithetical view from what he held at the beginning of the match.
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Tyson_85
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Decentric: Fozz can be painful at times but the issue here is whether or not these comments were actually made to the press, if it's all smoke Foster is going to be painted in an even worse light for going public with something that was baseless. Serious accusations to make.
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skeptic wrote:Take care with what you believe about Pim coming from sbs. Foster said 15 mins ago that whoever is the new coach, he must play the 'Australian way', answer to Australian champions (I imagine he still means a panel of players) and never again should a coach be given free reign and allowed to make all the decisions, play as he likes and do as he likes with the team. Smart eh? Pay millions for a coaches expertise and then tell him he doesn't know as much as a bunch of ex players and must coach the way he's told.
Well, I'd guess any coach with an ounce of ability and a pinch of pride would tell you to stick your team up your hillbilly arse and laugh all the way home on a plane. You're from a different planet, Foster. Foz is out of line on the coaches panel. We have a Technical Director, but the NT Manager is an independent role. That said, I agree with Foster that the new gaffer ought to appreciate the go forward qualities of the players. Foster does not appreciate that the defensive record of Pim has been substantial over 2.5 years.
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whether you like foster or not, there is absolutely no way he is lying or fabricating this verbeek incident. hes a professional journalist, as is les, the two of them could be opening themselves up to a lot of risky scenarios if they made things like this up.
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Tyson_85 wrote:Decentric: Fozz can be painful at times but the issue here is whether or not these comments were actually made to the press, if it's all smoke Foster is going to be painted in an even worse light for going public with something that was baseless. Serious accusations to make. From the SMH; Quote:SOCCEROOS coach Pim Verbeek believes reserve forward Nikita Rukavytsya reflects the real measure of the quality of his squad, telling a Dutch newspaper the contrast between his bench and that of the big nations is immense.
In the wake of last week's humiliation at the hands of Germany, he was asked by a reporter from Volkskrant if he envied his rival coach, Joachim Loew. ''Have a look who he [Loew] can bring in without weakening his team, look at his bench,'' Verbeek said. ''I have Rukavytsya, who wasn't good enough for FC Twente second team. Because I don't have any better, I have to use him as a substitute. That is the reality.''
Pressed on the issue of depth, he was also asked why veteran defender Craig Moore started even though he is currently without a club.
''The boy [Moore] played last season only in the Australian league, not at Real Madrid,'' Verbeek replied. ''And he wasn't even the worst one [against Germany].''
Verbeek has long claimed Australian fans and the media have inflated expectations of the national team, but he remains optimistic the Socceroos can turn their campaign around against Ghana. ''Most of the Asian opponents are afraid of us and walk backwards,'' he said. ''But, of course, Germany is a different story. We could have lost with big numbers. Maybe I should have intervened earlier. A striker for a striker exchange is not difficult. I had to adjust our playing style, and it's better to do that in the quiet of the locker room. But I consider Germany a fantastic team, they are one of the possible winners of the World Cup.
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EDIT: Mr beat me to it.
Edited by The Riddler: 24/6/2010 11:53:04 PM
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da640
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oh is that the comments every body is on about. I read those last week.
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Tyson_85
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Is that all? Not great to talk about your squad like that but hardly the level that TWG and Co were making out?
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a coach shouldnt talk like that at all, especially when speaking to the media of another country. imagine how ruka would feel having read that, these comments were made while he was still the coach. disgusting.
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Someone posted those last week nothing new, but Foz was right it's just a disgrace to come out and say that at a time when he is supposed to be trying to bring the team together, to just denounce the quality of the squad id deplorable imo.
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Tyson_85
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I personally think the guy (Verbeek) is an assclown but have to admit the comments were not as bad as I though they would be. Saying that sounds more like a guy trying to cover his own back after a defeat then someone trying to gavanise a team.
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i think the most insidious aspect of the comments is the fact that they're made not to the australian media, but to the media of his native country. as if hes saying "yeah guys you have NO idea the shit i have to put up with these ingrates, let me tell you something about these amateurs..." feels like a stab in the back type thing.
Edited by Dogsdogsdogs: 25/6/2010 12:22:16 AM
Edited by Dogsdogsdogs: 25/6/2010 12:22:44 AM
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Tyson_85
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Dogsdogsdogs wrote:i think them most insidious aspect of the comments is the fact that they're made not to the australian media, but to the media of his native country. as if hes saying "yeah guys you have NO idea the shit i have to put up with these ingrates, let me tell you something about these amateurs..." feels like a stab in the back type thing.
Edited by Dogsdogsdogs: 25/6/2010 12:22:16 AM Thats not a bad point actually, although it may just have been a result of the questions asked. May be that there was more to the player unrest than first thought? Edited by Tyson_85: 25/6/2010 12:24:00 AM
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