Blacktown City FC in an attempt to further develop its already successful youth development program has linked with high profile Italian club AS Roma.

Influential AS Roma and Coverciano accredited coach, Marco Arcese is coming to Blacktown City FC in early October to conduct a coaches development program and to assist Blacktown City FC with the selection of players for season 2011 at their trials commencing October 17,

Should be very interesting to see how the trials are conducted with respect to Marco Arcese's influence. My lad will be trialling for the U/18's tomorrow. I will report back here how it compares to other trials i've seen.

I'm really hoping they evaluate the players strength's and weaknesses individually instead of throwing them a ball in a game and see what happens. Some very fine players tend to miss out simply because no-one passes them the ball or the ball doesnt get around as it would in game because ball hogs are trying to be noticed.

Anyways we shall see how it goes.



Edited by Aussiesrus: 16/10/2010 12:40:22 PM

just hope this is better then back in the day when blacktown had a connection with west ham

So do I

Anyways here's hoping for better these days.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 17/10/2010 12:23:25 AM

Links between Australian Clubs and overseas Clubs usually turn to shit.

Well the thing is nowdays to play in the socceroo first squad players are mainly picked from overseas teams. So affiliations with overseas clubs is still the best way for players to get into the socceroo first squad via overseas experience.

Explains why we never qualified for a world cup between 1974 until 2006.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 17/10/2010 12:24:40 AM

Learned something today,

Doesnt matter what system is in place the selection process is the same old same old.

We trialled at both Parramatta FC and Blacktown FC.

Different crap but the smell was the same.

so no good?

Pimpsta, they had 4 sections setup.

1. Small game field (tiny goals) kind of like indoor.
2. A place to test shooting with netting for goals.
3. A section for players to display rivaldi, ronaldo's, beckhams etc.
4. An area with loads of cones for tiny fast feet movement.

Not all players got to do all the tests. Only the auto instant selected players got to do all of them.

Players were divided on their registration
sheet 1 = NSW premier league U/16's, Instant Auto Selected.
sheet 2 = Super/youth, Lottery select.
sheet 3 = Others, based on where they played this year, "buckleys". This included C of C players this year.

So it was obvious how the selection process was achieved.

NSW Premier league u/16's were auto selected regardless how crap they performed and some were pretty bad. The rest looked like being picked from a lottery. So the AS Roma system was not used for the selection process. Kind of defeats the purpose of having that system in the first place.

The blacktown city side will be made up primarily of 16 year olds who will turn 17 next year (A year younger than should be) Lots of better 17yr olds never even made the cut. I was watching the instant auto selected Premier league 16 yr olds at the shooting net (no-one else got that opportunity) and 9 out of 10 of them spooned it over the top. Some by even 20 feet. It was horrible to watch and complete rubbish.

Having said that Parramatta FC trials was precisely what I didnt want to see. They divided 88 players into teams of 11 and threw them the ball. The instant auto select process was the same as Blacktowns without the attempt to look like they had a clue.

Sydney FC's future looks really bleak if this how the feeder NSW premier league sides are picked.

In my opinion too many better players were not selected. And some really average-bad players made the cut for both clubs.

So without ranting too much. No good at all.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 18/10/2010 01:12:17 AM

My New Zealand Knights jersey has the Charlton Athletic insignia on the sleeve. Turned out well for both parties didn't it? :lol: :lol: :lol:

i agree with every thing you say, unless your in with the right people you dont stand a chance
the same applies when your trialing for state sides if your not in the ais or the nsw academy they dont even look at you

Sydney Olympic and Leeds almost become affiliated, and look what happened to both of us, lol!

Perth had (has?) a sister club agreement with Manchester City. Rich owners, new players, finished 5th last season....

Aussiesrus

I have said it before and will say it again, selectors need to be accrediated just like coaches who coach at high level.
It wont stop this but its a step in the right direction

Any half brain can do selections as it is now and you get what you have told us, biased and no brain selections

Dont let this beat you, if your kid has the talent it will eventually happen. Been through it myself

Thanks for the replies. You guys n gals are certainly right.

There was a lot of backslapping and hand shaking prior to trials with selectors at both.

And the end result was the way they selected players regardless of performance at the trials. No brainer senseless method which reflects the selectors abilities. I think selectors nowdays are just pawns for the political.

I can see why real talent becomes despondant and simply gives up. There are no places left after the politically well aligned players take up the spots.

I've done a lot of coaching and would have loved to scoop up all the rejected real talent players, form a team and I bet we would be kicking their arses in their own comp.

As for my lad, A fair assesment is he didnt shine but didnt look out of place either. Strikers need to be indivdually tested in front of goal otherwise they must have midfielders that can deliver quality ball. He had neither. What grates at me is his strengths were never given a chance. He is 17 shortly and has a left cannon shot that has keepers scared to go even close to one of his cannonballs. But hey what team needs a striker like that eh. Certainly not paramatta or blacktown prem league sides. They prefer lollypop strikers.

Ah well. By 17 its rare as hens teeth that he will ever go higher than just playing C of C's. Having said that though I made a NSW Premier League side at my first trial when i was 21. But that was back in the days when talent was a requirement. Its very different nowdays. The cream will never rise to the top while political filters are in place.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 18/10/2010 05:31:43 PM

At least both are still alive :lol: It's sad because better decision-making would have kept the Knights alive.

To finish on the subject.

The AS Roma system was not used for the selection process.

Says a lot about the whole process which in a nutshell turned out to be smoke and mirrors. Nothing more than hype and rederick by the club.

Give this club a miss in future and look for other clubs that are really interested in unearthing talent for their juniors sides.

Pretty much everyone on this topic is correct in their views thus far.


On a side note one thing funny did happen which I will never forget.

During the rivaldi's, beckhams and ronaldo's section my lad did those very well and even managed to nutmeg the selector at the same time. GOLD :lol:

Edited by Aussiesrus: 18/10/2010 09:19:31 PM

http://www.asroma.com.au/index.html

Was the event related to this system?

No. The AS Roma system was supposed to be used for the trials this year at Blacktowncity FC. It wasnt.

Must be a "fail" system if they didnt use it.

Aussiesrus, time to make a DVD of your kid and send it out absolutely every club you can think of, inside and outside of Aus.

Don't let him give up or give up an him due to incompetence from selectors. Try every method possible.

Yea I agree 100%, their youth system does 'fail' even though it has produced world class players like Francesco Totti, Daniele De Rossi, Alberto Aquilani and then you have other lesser known players that arent quiet as good but still can become great players such as Stefano Okaka, Aleandro Rosi, Daniele Gallopa, Gianluca Curci, Alessio Cerci, etc.
Then there are the Davide Petrucci's who get stolen from the youth system with no compensation what so ever by clubs like Manchester United.

Your bang on the money about about the system being a 'fail' even though its one of the best in the world (the best being Barcelona).

I wasnt there dont know what happened, but know your facts before your start insulting clubs with a proud history of youth. If you want a European club to take your son the only way he will make it to Germany, Italy or Spain is if he is exceptionally good.

Maybe try English teams, they seem to get there youth from everywhere but there natural surrounds.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

If it is such a great system then why didnt they use it? Don't get me wrong if the system is good then ask the selectors why it wasnt used. And for the record I played for that club many years ago 1st grade side.

What your missing is a few points.

Why did the selectors ignore the system?
Why did the selectors Auto select based on where players played this year rather than relying on the system to choose players for them?

The whole thing flies in the face of the very system they are promoting. Perhaps this system is properly used for AS roma and thats why it is successful in italy etc. Also can you name one australian player who has benefitted from this system in Australia?

I note its been around in Australia for a few years now IE: your link. I'm all ears!

Edited by Aussiesrus: 19/10/2010 12:24:37 PM

Firstly I wasnt there I dont know why they didnt use it but from what I'm seeing looking at the 'official' site of the AS Roma youth system in Australia, they werent apart of this trial your son went to.

Im not missing the points, I just cant answer them. If you were there and you couldnt answer them how am I supposed to?

It doesnt fly in the systems face when the system and the club have no affiliation with this event. I havent seen the name 'Marco Acrese' anywhere on any of these sites.

Now you are about to get embarrassed so I suggest you close your browser and stop reading mate, you wanted links you got them, have fun!

You'd like the names of players who have benefited from the system, fine, this is what I found in 5 minutes...

Joshua Karantz (first article, http://www.asroma.com.au/)

This page has information on 11 players who have benefited. (http://www.issgenova.com/au/trials.php)

Theo Markelis talks about his involvement in the GISS program during his transition from Valencia to Vicenza (http://www.goalweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1219:markelis-on-the-move&catid=44:soccer-hotlines&Itemid=68)

There is also a global youth team which has 13 players in it (http://zane.issgenova.com/)

Zac Parasekvas, 15 year old from Shepparton its a video from Channel 7 news. (http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/22166547/885608/)

I also know of a couple of other people that I dont know personally but they have played with my friends and they have actually got accepted into the Roma academy.

Judging from your previous arguments your going to give me 'But its Vicenza and other clubs not Roma'

The answer to this statement is there feeder clubs. Roma send there youth to these types of clubs so the youth players get game time and can develop quicker opposed to be sitting in the reserves if that.

all true,when i was at sydney united youth league after being the number 1 keeper and finishing up the highest that our age had before the following year a new coach came in and didnt select me nor my mate(who was starting sweeper every week) simply because we had blonde hair and aussie names

Most interesting fellas. Also does the AS Roma system take into acount playing styles? Since it is italian style based. How does a greek or croatian or aussie style club go using an italian system?

After all the english system is completely different again.

BTW I've never heard of any of those aussies you mention.

Firstly, obviously you havent heard of any of the players because you didnt know any players that had gone through the system.

Theo Markelis would be the only one everyone knows of, if you'v never heard of him you must not follow our youth very closely.

Do you actually know the point of a youth academy/system? Judging by your statement above you dont.

They take raw talent and extract it through the system, if they player is good enough they will make it. They dont focus on styles, every player is unique and have different styles.

Example. Grella and Bresc. While they didnt participate in any italian youth academies they went to italy together as young players and have both developed quiet well through the italian system.

Stop looking for excuses theres no point.

Hey Felix, I guess what i'm trying to say to you is don't put all your eggs in one basket champ. Having faith in one system makes you only good for one system. I made this clubs first grade side and never was a product of their junior system. I see where Pimpsta is coming from with regards to his dumping from sydney United. The new coach had a system in his head and was looking for players that would suit his system. Unfortunately for Pimpsta he did'nt fit the style. I was fortunate in my younger years when rale rasic left and Casey De Bruin took over my style did fit his inline with his vision. Thats why I made the first grade side even though I was never a Blacktown city junior.

I'm going to pull you up on one point. This years trials were not based on raw talent. They simply went with the the previous years players. Raw talent never even entered the equation during the trial process nor did the AS Roma system.

You put a lot of blind faith in this system and if thats where you see you future then best of luck to you.

Please read this post and take a good hard look how many are from the AS Roma system.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/186205,joeys-squad-named-for-afc-u16s.aspx

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to put you down. I'm just trying open your eyes to the hard reality.

Count the Blacktown City players or members from the AS Roma system.

Then being flat stick honest give me the answer.

Best wishes.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 19/10/2010 10:08:48 PM

So what about all the players being from the AIS, players like Theo Markelis played in Valencia's youth team and was banging in the goals, he had some training sessions with the likes of David Villa, he left Valencia because they had to cut costs. No one knew who the kid was until one of my mates who is a journo, found him on FM then did some research on him then asked for an interview for which he got. True story, I used to write with the guy and am still good friends.
There are many young Aussie players playing overseas no one knows about them until they start playing for a big team and then there like 'Oh he was born in Australia, cap him even though hes been neglected by the system so far'.

Im not putting all my eggs in one basket I'm just trying to point out to you that its obviously not the AS Roma youth system so stop blaming it and putting it down, you want the real system come down to Melbourne during there next event and you will see it. Why isnt it Parramatta or Blackstowns fault? They ran the thing. Your the one coming out and saying they didnt use it therefore it must be a 'fail system'. Its offensive when your insulting an international club on one of there most well known features based on a few people who ran a trial which you cant even confirm the guy who actually ran the thing is affiliated to the club.

Its not blind faith. If it was an official staff member and I was arguing with this obnoxiously and ignoring all the facts, then it would be blind faith. But you have no proof that this guy is who he says he is. Im not saying what happened there was right or wrong, what I am saying is you cant say they didnt use this clubs system but im going to insult them anyways. I dont care that its Roma, i just think its unfair to take your frustrations out on the club and saying things like you will avoid all the clubs other events based on one day.

You dont need to open my eyes mate, I keep an eye on Australia's youth, I put Australia first, Melbourne second and the rest next. Your the one who doesnt even know who players like Theo Markelis are. The players who have gone overseas to try and forge a career and the people that run the FFA would rather give some guy from the AIS who maybe half decent a go over this kid who could be the next big thing.

Players like Rhys Williams and Shane Lowry, go over and develop at english clubs and they get offered to play for an international team not from the country they are born in but the country there relo was born in, that is until they play a few stand out games then the FFA are all over him.

In my opinion you need to open your eyes mate, both of them, because you seem pretty one eyed. This is what you sound like mate no offence but its what out sound like, 'My son didnt get a fair go therefore that club is shit.' You sound like your judgment is clouded and your putting your feelings first.

I know how these things are, I had a family friend who was a very good player, she played in the VIS, went to the AIS and still wasnt even given a look in for any level of the female national team. Its very frustrating but what can you do? Put your head down and do better, unfortunately she got a serious injury and just gave up all together.

I hope your son is good enough to play at some high level of the game whether its A-League or internationally, dont give up, but dont burn your bridges in this business its very hard to get a break and you need all the chances you can get.

Felix, I agree with a lot of your views and understand them quite well. Been there, done that, should of went to Argentina when asked to play there back in July 79 by yours truly the "mad coke sniffer". Didnt so you will never know who I am either nor will anyone care ;)

But lets cut to the chase here.

The answer is ZERO right?

As for my comment "It must be fail" I guess thats my fault for not pointing out that was my sarcasm (Suppose I should have used an emoticon :roll:). Re-read what I said understanding it that way. "If" it is such a great system and they didnt use it well thats like not using a tank at your disposal when everyone else is shooting arrows.

I was at the trials so I reported back here "How" they were conducted based on Pimpsta's first post as we were going to them anyway.

Your very misunderstanding if you think my views are based on my lad not getting in. We NEVER expected him to make it. We did it purely for the experience of pitting his skills against the so called best and learning what he can. Its not for my lad i'm dissapointed. He doesnt care. Its for the way it was conducted and the much better players than the auto select that didnt make it. Quite a few of these blokes probably paid thousands in registration fees, training and expenses to not really get fairly assesed. They like myself were expecting an AS Roma style selection trial which didnt happen (As per Pimpsta's original post) Maybe we should grab Pimpsta by the ears and catapult him by the ankles to the moon for that :lol:

As for my lad he just went there cause he loves football. If I told him there are trials on for worst players around he would attend that just to play football. He cant get enough of footy. He still has much to learn but one gift he has that was never tested is his strike power in front goals which has keepers pulling their gloves away after the first sting of his shot. Keepers have been known to swap positions by shear fear after copping one. When he plays indoor its funny to watch the opposition plus keeper turn their backs everytime they know a shot is coming their way [-o<

In a nutshell for him trials was a load of fun that he really enjoyed. We are still chuckling over his combination double rivaldi, ronaldo, beckham, nutmeg the selector at the same time trick \:d/

To re-iterate what was said previously.

This was for the U/18 trials.
I know 100% the system was not used because registration for trials was divided into 3 categories. NSW prem league U/16 players, Super/Youth League U/16 players and Others. When they referred to players being "Others" that shows a total disrespect for that players skills no matter what club or level they played for. Selection went like this. Everyone on the NSW Premier league registration sheet were instantly selected no matter how bad they were at the trials. But knowing they were auto instant selected I guess they didnt have to really try. Then a lottery for what was left which was hardly any spots left (if any). What system do you call this? I call it the "We have no real idea system let's stick to who others selected previously system"

When a club is touting its using A B C system and coaches are being developed to use it for trials and training etc then don't use it well what else can one say?

Hope this clears things up for you and puts thing in a proper perspective. Thats the way I saw it and reported back as per my first post.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 20/10/2010 07:44:15 AM