nice article

:lol: if this is Paoktzi again it'd be hilarious

The Olympic Ultra's are so plastic. I mean only started following in 2010......

How does an establishment date make a supporters group plastic?

From memory, before PAOKTZI doctored the figures you were fifth or sixth in attendance.

The only other Clubs who get decent crowds are Bonnyrigg White Eagles and Sutherland Sharks, so how could we even be 5th or 6th?

the 100 who watched Western Berries?
the 80 who saw Blacktown
no-one who saw Marconi (lol)
all 400 at Manly?
all 300 at Bankstown?
500 at Sydney United?

Ask the top line of your signature :d In all truth though, I took the time to watch both of those clips. It's a pity that people like PAOKTZI completely counteract your level-headedness.

your telling me about it, hahaha

how do you justify these attendances?:?

when did sutherland sharks ever get good attendances? 500 max.

Bonnyrigg even dropped from last season, luckily to get 1000 at a one off match this season...they were averaging 700-800

marconi and blacktown were on par a few hundred..

as for United, we were close to 700, up and down in attendances all year...but we do travel the best away then any other fans in the comp thats 100% spot on

How does supporting the A-League make a supporters group plastic?

:lol:

you summed it up

You two trying to out wit Paotzki?

Almost a dull a reply as I expected from him.

If u cannot c howsupprting the HAL is plastic, your not really worth the time, your not an idiot guest, u know exactly why

I don't see it as being plastic no.

Everything starts from nothing including Sydney Olympic, United, Marconi, Hellas and Knights.

If you don't want to support it thats fine but to look down on those of us who want to follow the top level of football in this country and support these new clubs is kind of sad.

Yes it's not perfect, yes there are problem and yes the NSL clubs did get the short end of the stick but what is in the past is in the past and if you embrace the fact that we are a vital part of the growth of the game in this country and that we are just as passionate as you are old and new football will come together as friends a lot quicker.

It has NOTHING to do with Old v New.

I'm going to exclude the ethnic Clubs.

Even Clubs like Blacktown City Demons and Sutherland Shawks are COMMUNITY Clubs. They were made by the community for the community. To me, that is a Football CLUB. SFC is not a Club, despite them claiming say, it is a franchise. All of them are franchises, and the only one you can argue otherwise, is maybe, just maybe, Adelaide United and Brisbane Roar. It has nothing to do with old v new, as even Perth Glory is a franchise, who just happened to be from the end years of the NSL.

I stress the importance on the difference between a football Club and a Franchise. And a Franchise is plastic Modern Football, and if you have an idea on the supporters scene in Europe, Modern Football is a despicable concept.

A franchise is not a judgement of community or not community based. It's a business model.

Are PSV a franchise because they were created by a company? How about Urawa Red Diamonds? How about FC Köbenhavn (Copenhagen)?

Celtic were created to get young Scottish kids of Irish background off of the streets of Glasgow. They weren't built by a community, they were started by a priest ffs. I suppose they are plastic.

Edited by Draupnir: 13-10-2010 08:43:49

Ummmm Celtic is a community club, lol...

Draupnir is pointing out that those clubs were not built by a community, they were created. Manchester United is not a community club. Pretty much none of the clubs in the EPL are owned by their members (I actually think it may be 0) are they all plastic? Or is the fact they have been around for a long time enough for them to no longer be plastic? How long does a club have to be in existence before its creation is no longer relevant to its plasticity? Are all the MLS clubs plastic?

I'll put it this way, fuck modern football. As I said, this has nothing to do with old v new. I hate modern fkotball

We all do, but it isn't going away - there are too many billionairs looking to play with their money, players have become more mercenary as a result and clubs are needing to gouge supporters for as much as possible to keep up with the inflated cost of playing in the various leagues. That is life in a close to free market economy.

+1. Don't rag on supporters of modern football sides, because all we are trying to do is build a community around our teams.

firstly do not compare my club to your franchise...

how you can call any HAL team a club is beyond me, your franchise started because of a mutli millionaire, the teams came from thin air, and here you go australian public support the new HAL soccer clubs, because they are top flight, show your colours for your state etc...FFS its still got the plastic cover around it. You and like much of the new dawn HAL supporters are the type of people if for whatever reason your franchise folded or got relegated, you'd jump ship to the next team thats in the top flight. (take victory fans for example, some jumped over to the heart because of there colour jerseys are better FFS)...

As for clubs like United, Marconi, Olympic thats a different story...talking about united here, people made the stadium for what it is today with there own money, spent hours of dedication...thats love and passion for a club... The differnce is we dont have a multi million dollar stadium as our home ground, we dont share our stadium with other codes lol for that 12k that king tom can fit, is what you call a traditional club...

your plastic, your in it for the hype, no love, no passion, would fall over too another club, if your belovered a-league team was relegated or folded..

ask yourself this, would you support your aleague club if it was in the state league? no, didnt think so...

there is 5min wasted on my life that ill never get back.

Yep, you also gave no reason for a HAL club to be called plastic either. Still waiting since pretty much the only argument you guys have is that your clubs have been around longer than ours. You still also haven't told me why the J-League and K-League and CSL & MLS aren't plastic. Also why aren't the EPL clubs plastic, the only reason they exist is to stroke the ego of their owners.

read my post again you fukn spastic, and answer my question ...

As with EPL clubs, you have to go back to who founded the club, what era etc...obviously today bilionaries run the show, and football is modernised, clubs are in debt, hell even some need the governing body to help them out, LOL...
EPL clubs werent formed in 2005 by a billionaire, and boom hear is a new club, support this, dont worry about the old, now were they? ...you guys remind me of a little kid, buying a new toy, novelty wears off after a while until you find a new toy... im talking about plastic fans, you all are.

Not a Phase, Not a Trend, SYDNEY UNITED till the END! 

MK Dons
FC United of Manchester

Surely I have been baited.

You are as blind as you are Naive. A corrupt and useless sports governing body and league were pulled down and replaced with a slightly better functioning body, the governing body took a sport that was so drawn on ethnic lines (or at least percieved to be) that it could not function as a seperate entity from those ethnic conections and new teams were elected to embody specific areas.
The idea was to have rich white guys backing the teams to give it credability in the media and amoungst those that would further fund the clubs through sponsorship and support in kind. Has it worked i don't know but I do know that history takes time to make. Many people were drawn to the league through its sharpe advertising and new direction that it was taking, moving it away from those ethnic lines letting many people take a chance for the first time on Football.
A-League is only plastic to jaded old club supporters because they failed to do what the A-league did.

Move on it has been 5 years since it began. Clubs are formed in many different ways, it just so happens that in Australia they are better formed by billionaires than by communities, because communities often Can't be F***ed.


@Guest FC United of Manchester are a Community club.

Just getting back on subject. I think Tsekenis will do a great job at Olympic next season, maybe even make the semis.

"new football supporters" (whatever that means) couldn't support the "old" clubs because we weren't welcome cos we were anglo/not from the clubs ethnic background. What choice did we have? don't be blind to change. You support your club (as you should) and we'll support ours.