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I think Hendo will understand - the derby is a massive game and Kuyt had to play at somebody's expense.
I wonder how we'll set up. Carroll lone striker and Kuyt on the right? Or both up front with Suarez and Downing behind? Or Carroll and Suarez up top?
I think it will be the same system we usually see, just Kuyt in on the right for Hendo. That said, Kenny has been playing Kuyt up top when he has played.
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djphal01 Phil Reina kelly skrtel carra enrique kuyt adam lucas downing suarez carroll Subs Doni flannigan coates stevie speo henderson bellamy
Stoked with that.
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imnofreak wrote:I'd rather we played Carroll.
And if we don't, no way Suarez will be lone striker. Bellers or Kuyt will be up there with him. Carroll coming from deep is a waste of his ability. Suarez alone up front could work, as their defenders will mob him and free up space for our midfielders. But I'd rather we played 2 up top and just out ran them. I don't think Gerrard should be starting either, we don't want to see him come back and then get rushed back into the England line-up and it'd be nice to have a reason to keep him out of the frame in England's matches, especially when it's essentially a dead-rubber for England and a draw will be enough to qualify.
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imnofreak wrote:Not up to me mate.
John Henry had a fall on his boat yesterday and got taken to hospital, but by all accounts he should be ok. Hope so. Edited by imnofreak: 1/10/2011 05:05:56 PM
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Not up to me mate.
John Henry had a fall on his boat yesterday and got taken to hospital, but by all accounts he should be ok.
Edited by imnofreak: 1/10/2011 05:05:26 PM
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imnofreak wrote:I'd rather we played Carroll.
And if we don't, no way Suarez will be lone striker. Bellers or Kuyt will be up there with him. So, Luis playing a more deep-lying role while Craig playing the more defensive striker role?
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I'd rather we played Carroll.
And if we don't, no way Suarez will be lone striker. Bellers or Kuyt will be up there with him.
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Could Suarez play lone up front and keep Carroll for a tactical surprise later on?
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Quote:Fabio Capello will watch Steven Gerrard on Saturday with as much scepticism as hope if the Liverpool captain takes some part in the Merseyside derby. The England manager has to be convinced that the midfielder is in good enough condition and form to feature at all in next week's critical Euro 2012 qualifier with Montenegro in Podgorica. Gerrard has misgivings of his own, having made only two brief appearances as a substitute since a groin operation in March. "I'm not really sure how much I'm going to play against Everton," he said, "so, in my opinion, it's probably still a bit too early. I don't make the decisions. Those are down to the England manager. "I'm sure he'll have a discussion with [the Liverpool manager] Kenny [Dalglish] and between them they can decide what the right thing is for me. In my opinion there are other players out there who are match fit who are probably more suitable for that game but we'll have to wait and see. If I'm called up, I'll deal with it." Gerrard could conceivably appear as a substitute in Montenegro but England seem disinclined to make any demands of a convalescent. Capello may be giving more thought to the right-back issue. With Glen Johnson injured and Chris Smalling affected more by flu than by his groin strain, England regard Micah Richards and Tottenham Hotspur's Kyle Walker as candidates for that position. Capello will be at White Hart Lane on Sunday, where Walker can expect to be tested by Arsenal. Franco Baldini, the England general manager, will also be at the match so that he and Capello can finalise a squad that will be announced afterwards. The meeting with Montenegro merits particular attention since a point is needed against them to clinch automatic qualification for Euro 2012. In general circumstances look helpful to Capello. Wayne Rooney appears to have overcome a hamstring problem and should confirm his readiness when Manchester United meet Norwich on Saturday, with Baldini present to check on his condition. The alternatives in attack are expanded, too, by the anticipated return of Darren Bent for Aston Villa after a groin strain. Although Montenegro have mustered only five goals from six matches in Group G, where England have scored three times as many, visitors usually find these opponents resilient. It may therefore be vital that players such as Rooney and Bent are at their sharpest in Podgorica. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/30/steven-gerrard-england-fabio-capello?newsfeed=true
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Yeah, I doubt he'll start too.
Especially as if we do then Capello will have an excuse to call him up next week. If he doesn't start, then Stevie will stay, which is better for us, and then hopefully start v the Mancs.
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Gerrard won't start, Kenny will take it slow. Another major injury would end his career, so he won't be rushed. I think his first start will be against man u in 2 weeks
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Not sure... early team news might come in around 6ish our time.
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Quote:aw.. Coates looks so lonely. But good to see him fitting in. Poor lad looks so out of place. But it's good to see the South Americans at the club are taking him under their wing. He'll benefit a lot from having Maxi and Luis there. Quote:Still maintain that Carroll coming on with 20 minutes to go is the way to go. A fresh Carroll against tired toffees would end horribly for the toffees I'm inclined to disagree. Later in the game he's going to suffer from a lack of service as the rest of the team tires. You're better off bringing on Kuyt to give the team run and penetration.
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yep I'll second that re Carroll on mid 2nd half on.....
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 Suarez, Coates and Maxi :)
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imnofreak wrote:Bit harsh on the big lad. Aside from that poor miss at the end, you have to admit he had a very good game.
I see what you mean about Hendo, and it's baffling, because he has a fantastic engine and covers the ground very well when he does get on his bike.
I wouldn't start him in the derby though - bring in Kuyt for Hendo on the right, but I'd keep the rest the same.
MAYBE Spearing in for Adam, because Adam defensively is about as useful as a beachball. I think my biggest problem with Carroll isn't that game, it's just overall, i.e., he's not scoring when he has, can and should. And that yes, he's covering a lot of ground, but he's not actually doing anything with it. Paula Radcliffe covers a lot of ground, but I wouldn't pay 35m quid for her. Adam won't be replaced. Not unless Gerrard plays. He'll just be playing ahead of holding mids, doing what he was bought to do, which is deliver accurate passes, take punts when he's got space and muscle people out of the attacking third. Cahill out is nice. Well done Vincent Kompany. Badly timed tackle, but lovely timing. I don't think anyone else in the blue shite can actually head a ball. The bad news is, of course, that Everton's latest little bridge-bred wonder, Barkley, might be playing for them. Oh, someone would love to score her first goal against us, wouldn't she. Carroll in, Kuyt on the right for Henderson.
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dizzy_red wrote:imnofreak wrote:I really don't understand all this criticism of Henderson. He has fantastic movement, good crossing ability, and does all the simple things well.
He completed 91% of passes, every single one in the attacking third too.
He WAS a little bit quiet, but it's to be expected when on the left you have Enrique bombing forward and Downing, and on the other side it's just Kelly. Who was good, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a wingback.
When Johnson comes back and starts marauding down that wing, it will be more helpful for him.
Lazy, that's Henderson's problem. Keeps letting his mark go wandering off, gives up when it's in his power to chase and tackle (cough, Modric, cough). Like Adam, he's poor defensively, but unlike Adam, he's very lazy and seems to want to cruise by on his Action Man hairdo. 91% pass completion is misleading when you consider that he only had 31 touches in total - the only players who walked onto that pitch with fewer touches than Henderson were Kuyt and Gerard. Jarvis ran fucking rings around Henderson. Not impressed. Fuck it, he's been tested now, so he needs to sit on the bench for a few until he respects the shirt. Anyway, speaking of respecting the fucking shirt, what the fuck was up with Carroll? Trying to use fancy feet in the box and fucking up. I can forgive the header, because bouncing the ball off your head isn't an exact science, but I can't forgive the numerous mistakes and looking like he's just dropped out of a mare's fanny. Reminds me of Crouch, only less eager to PUT THE FUCKING BALL IN THE BACK OF THE NET. 35m for the Andy Carroll comedy show. Where's the fucking Benny Hill music? All england's right wingers are prone to lazyness. Henderson, Lennon and Milner all have bouts of it on a regular basis where you're left wondering "Why the fuck aren't you doing something, son?!" We're still struggling defensively in the midfield with no really solid back-up to Lucas if he goes down injured or if we need to pull the midfield back a bit to protect a result. We can't rely on Spearing to give us that defensive know-how and Adam, HEnderson et al aren't going to cut it. I agree that Hendo's one for the future, but I'm not sure what we're meant to do with him right NOW. He isn't performing to the standard that you'd expect of him given his performances for Sunderland last season, and he won't reach that level again if he's not playing regularly, but he's not making the grade. It's a catch 22. As for Carroll, hopefully he improves and shoots a little more instinctively over the next few weeks, I know that's what KD will be saying to him at training ("we want you to shoot first time more"), but the important thing is that he's getting in the right positions. He's just looking to pass too often when he should be looking to shoot. I'm reminded of Bill Shankly: "If you’re in the penalty area and aren’t quite sure what to do with the ball, stick it in the net and we’ll discuss your options afterwards!"He'll get there. He just needs a little more time to get back into the swing of things. I was frustrated with what I saw, but not overly disappointed knowing that a little more match fitness and he'll be back scoring again.
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The other option is to play Kuyt up top and have Bellers on the right, which could work.
But I personally don't want to see Carroll dropped. Everton's back 4 would be pummeled by him I reckon.
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RedKat wrote:Surely we can't take the risk of Carroll in the merseyside derby? Yes his game against wolves was his best of the season (albiet still not even slightly happy with his performances yet) but with the kuyt/suarez partnership being our best at the moment, surely kuyt has to be restored to the starting line-up and we can put carroll on with 20 or so left. I agree Kuyt should come in - but for Hendo, not Carroll. Quote:A fit Gerrard (not sure if we will have this luxury so soon) has to start in place of Adam who tends to fade in and out of games at the moment Carroll Downing - Suarez - Hendo Lucas - Gerrard The way I see it when he comes back - With Gerrard pushing up and turning it into a 4-1-4-1 when we're on top and in attack. Suarez, Downing, Gerrard linking up..... droooool. RE: Adam - He certainly is fading in and out. I also read today that he's committed the second highest fouls this season. Defensively he is pretty rubbish, so I wouldn't mind seeing wee Jay in there instead v the bitters.
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imno - thanks for 5.40 highlights so I could make sure of my comments after watching the game. Overall yes a fair game - unlucky with a few headers which lets face it should be his strongest asset. His passing was crisp and apart from the poor miss at the end he had that shocker attempt earlier on his wrong foot...but Damn it proved Kenny sees our higher % scoring chances are with Suarez but playing Carroll deeper as it showed turns him into a distributer more than what I thought he should be doing getting in position for a shot for that clip just showed the entire 90mins he had 2 lame attempts with his feet, not good for his confidence imo. A striker needs to hit the net, hopefully with SG coming back in the midfield and take over in the centre with distribution will free Carroll up to play higher on the park for I can't wait for this guy to get on a roll and score quite a few. Kuyt needs to be in starting line up for derby - never lets us down !
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Quote:MAYBE Spearing in for Adam, because Adam defensively is about as useful as a beachball. He's more useful than a beachball...he hasn't scored against you yet :P
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Bit harsh on the big lad. Aside from that poor miss at the end, you have to admit he had a very good game.
I see what you mean about Hendo, and it's baffling, because he has a fantastic engine and covers the ground very well when he does get on his bike.
I wouldn't start him in the derby though - bring in Kuyt for Hendo on the right, but I'd keep the rest the same.
MAYBE Spearing in for Adam, because Adam defensively is about as useful as a beachball.
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hehe Dizzy,I'm tyring not to see it the way entirely as you post re Carroll but I sure am close to it. I'm trying to keep the faith that he soon looks far more comfortable in front and doesn't hestitate with the trigger and converts. I laugh about the Crouch comment after he finally put in a decent header over the weekend for yes he should have been putting them away far more back with us and during his spurs time. I don't think they are settled at all as yet and this close passing near the box isn't his style and as you said he look awkward many times, naturally using his height cross's are the go but I reckon he should hang back behind Suarez for a back pass or anything that he can run onto to release the trigger - close 1 2's around the box he stumbles to date !
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imnofreak wrote:I really don't understand all this criticism of Henderson. He has fantastic movement, good crossing ability, and does all the simple things well.
He completed 91% of passes, every single one in the attacking third too.
He WAS a little bit quiet, but it's to be expected when on the left you have Enrique bombing forward and Downing, and on the other side it's just Kelly. Who was good, don't get me wrong, but he isn't a wingback.
When Johnson comes back and starts marauding down that wing, it will be more helpful for him.
Lazy, that's Henderson's problem. Keeps letting his mark go wandering off, gives up when it's in his power to chase and tackle (cough, Modric, cough). Like Adam, he's poor defensively, but unlike Adam, he's very lazy and seems to want to cruise by on his Action Man hairdo. 91% pass completion is misleading when you consider that he only had 31 touches in total - the only players who walked onto that pitch with fewer touches than Henderson were Kuyt and Gerard. Jarvis ran fucking rings around Henderson. Not impressed. Fuck it, he's been tested now, so he needs to sit on the bench for a few until he respects the shirt. Anyway, speaking of respecting the fucking shirt, what the fuck was up with Carroll? Trying to use fancy feet in the box and fucking up. I can forgive the header, because bouncing the ball off your head isn't an exact science, but I can't forgive the numerous mistakes and looking like he's just dropped out of a mare's fanny. Reminds me of Crouch, only less eager to PUT THE FUCKING BALL IN THE BACK OF THE NET. 35m for the Andy Carroll comedy show. Where's the fucking Benny Hill music?
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:I really don't understand all this criticism of Henderson. He has fantastic movement, good crossing ability, and does all the simple things well. That may be true, but when we attack down the wings a lot and he's only getting half a dozen douches a half, that's not that great. It doesn't help him that Kelly's playing pretty deep at the moment and trying to get his match fitness back. I was quite happy with the performances of Gerrard and Kelly again. My bigger concern from last night was Carroll's missed chances. Hitting the bar twice and that bungle in the last 30 seconds with the goal at his mercy was really disappointing.
Still, 3 points is 3 points and we need to keep the points ticking over. I agree partly with your comment highlighted in bold...he should be netting them more than not imo, those 3chances above in future games that win or draws the game once converted. Also we were under pressure that whole 2nd half due to not converting - you could see how pissed off Suarez was being subbed for he knew it could have gone either way that second half and he the most likely to get the 3rd we really needed to make it more comfortable. As said 3points is the real result but to be near the top at the end of the season we need at least 2 of the boys up front to get into high double figures season end. SG maybe just what we need to settle the attacking midfield I feel, his experience, running off the ball,great long pass's and importantly a classic SG strike from out the box will lift our attack. Can't wait till he settles back in and plays 70+mins.
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Quote:I really don't understand all this criticism of Henderson. He has fantastic movement, good crossing ability, and does all the simple things well. That may be true, but when we attack down the wings a lot and he's only getting half a dozen douches a half, that's not that great. It doesn't help him that Kelly's playing pretty deep at the moment and trying to get his match fitness back. I was quite happy with the performances of Gerrard and Kelly again. My bigger concern from last night was Carroll's missed chances. Hitting the bar twice and that bungle in the last 30 seconds with the goal at his mercy was really disappointing. Still, 3 points is 3 points and we need to keep the points ticking over.
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